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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49991 Mar 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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I would rather answer to him and not to you.
Because there are people who 'prophesize" in Islam also as there is a professional lobby amongst Jews and Christians who explain every happening in the world as "being foretold" in their books.
Jews having a nation and Jews from all over the world gathered to given a nation right in the heart of Muslim lands are two different things.
The whole world is open to them, why should they select a place, which results in endless conflicts and wars?
It was a very poor selection of site and the world is witnessing its bad effects for past 60 years and things are going to be worse as time passes.
Jews tend not to hung up on prophesying - thats a Christian trait

It seems to me that the article conflicted with your ideology, therefore you are making excuses

Jews don't "select" Israel, its our origin - the same way your origin is in India. I dont know why you cant grasp that - the author sure did.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49992 Mar 9, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You are like 9 months late

Harlem shake is the latest
Yeah, I know.

We had a gang of youngsters the other day giving us a demo of Harlem Shake.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49993 Mar 9, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Jews don't "select" Israel, its our origin.
How can the Palestine region be the origin of the Jews when the Hebrew patriarchs put in an appearance in the region a mere 3000 to 4000 years earlier?

Older cultures flourished in the region prior to the advent of the patriarchs in the said region.

As for you, you are European by ancestry with your ancestors having converted from paganism or whatever to Judaism a few centuries ago.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49994 Mar 9, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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the same way your origin is in India. I dont know why you cant grasp that - the author sure did.
The original inhabitants of India are the people of indigenous Dravidian stock.

The Aryas came into India much later.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49995 Mar 9, 2013
Aryas = Aryans.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49996 Mar 9, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Yeah, I know.
We had a gang of youngsters the other day giving us a demo of Harlem Shake.
There are some pretty darn funny videos out on youtube - and they arent just young people
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49997 Mar 9, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There are some pretty darn funny videos out on youtube - and they arent just young people.
Oh yeah, Papa, I know.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49998 Mar 9, 2013
The validity and superiority of a scripture are judged on the basis of its contents and not on the language of its revelation.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50004 Mar 9, 2013
None of the prophets HAS come....
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#50006 Mar 9, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Jews tend not to hung up on prophesying - thats a Christian trait
It seems to me that the article conflicted with your ideology, therefore you are making excuses
Jews don't "select" Israel, its our origin - the same way your origin is in India. I dont know why you cant grasp that - the author sure did.
There is no restriction on your "views".

Jews did select Isreal, because they had no presence there and then they were gathered from all four corners of the world and settled there.

If my forefathers left India and settled in some other country, I do not get a "right" to claim my inheritance in India after say 2000 years.

What type of logic is this?

And why only Jews?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50009 Mar 9, 2013
Only those of Middle Eastern ancestry, irrespective of the religion they follow, can be considered the original inhabitants of the Palestine region.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50011 Mar 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There is no restriction on your "views".
Jews did select Isreal, because they had no presence there and then they were gathered from all four corners of the world and settled there.
If my forefathers left India and settled in some other country, I do not get a "right" to claim my inheritance in India after say 2000 years.
What type of logic is this?
And why only Jews?
Straw argument - I never said only Jews.

And Jews have lived in Israel continuously. GO back and study your history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

And learn what mizrahi means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50012 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Only those of Middle Eastern ancestry, irrespective of the religion they follow, can be considered the original inhabitants of the Palestine region.
Interestingly enough, many moslems in Israel (the ones that descent from the lineages that were there BEFORE the Ottomans) are descendants of Palestinian Jews. There have been genetic studies that support this.

There is room in the region for all groups, as long as they play well with each other. The problem is, is that more often than not, they don't. Political Islam and some of the extreme Jewish movements dont make this any easier.

MUQ claims he is not part of the political Islam movement - he doesnt believe in religious mandated geography - but if you look at his argument for more than a moment it is obvious he does buy into it.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50013 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
None of the prophets HAS come....
except Joel
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50014 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Interestingly enough, many moslems in Israel (the ones that descent from the lineages that were there BEFORE the Ottomans) are descendants of Palestinian Jews. There have been genetic studies that support this.
The Hebrews were foreigners in the Middle East and when they arrived in the region about 3 millennia ago there was a lot of borrowing done by the Hebrews from the older native cultures in terms of theology, occult practices, beliefs, rituals and the like and I guess quite a bit of inter-marrying, too, must have taken place.

So, many Hebrews and Muslims can trace their ancestry to the older Middle Eastern cultures.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50015 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Political Islam and some of the extreme Jewish movements dont make this any easier.
True. This is because both the Jews and the Muslims have parochial mindsets given their sectarian or cultish beliefs and besides Israel and the Islamic nations in the region are theocracies and this makes friction between the two camps inevitable.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50016 Mar 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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except Joel
I know much more about the reality than most of the prophets like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Rama, Muhammad and the like.

Only the deeper experiences of the reality remain to be undertaken in my case.

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#50017 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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The Hebrews were foreigners in the Middle East and when they arrived in the region about 3 millennia ago there was a lot of borrowing done by the Hebrews from the older native cultures in terms of theology, occult practices, beliefs, rituals and the like and I guess quite a bit of inter-marrying, too, must have taken place.
So, many Hebrews and Muslims can trace their ancestry to the older Middle Eastern cultures.
yeah but those older cultures are extinct, but us Hebrews are not.

This is not of your concern anyway, you are not one of us.

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#50018 Mar 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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As for you, you are European by ancestry with your ancestors having converted from paganism or whatever to Judaism a few centuries ago.
You are making assumptions about my ancestry. And we all know what happens to people who make assumptions.
Fuggus

Rochester, PA

#50019 Mar 10, 2013
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