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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49807 Mar 3, 2013
OSHO - RELIGIONS ARE ROTTEN

"I don't believe that any of the organized religions is worth saving. They are too old, too rotten, and too dirty. And as time has passed, they have become more and more stinking. A totally new religious consciousness is needed in the world, which will not be under any label - Hindu, Mohammedan, Christian.

And that's my effort. My people are not Hindu, Mohammedan, Christian, Jew... they are just people, human beings. Naturally, every religion is against me because I have taken their Jews, I have taken their Hindus, I have taken their Mohammedans and I am dangerous to every religion.

Strange fact: They don't agree on any point; they agree only on one point, and that is me. They agree on me, that I am wrong - about anything else they don't agree. And nobody is ready to argue with me. I have been challenging them openly,'Come, face to face. And I am not calling you to my people; I will come to your congregation. And I am ready to argue with you point by point - how you are false and how you are creating a bogus kind of religiousness which does not help anybody. On the contrary, it creates only wars and bloodshed.'

For five thousand years how many wars they have fought - jihadS, religious wars.... And they have been killing each other, and doing nothing.

So, my position is different from the Ramakrishna Mission established by Vivekananda. And my position is also different about Ramakrishna and Vivekananda. Ramakrishna was an enlightened being, but uneducated, inarticulate, very simple, a villager. He could not create a religion; he experienced it, but he could not express it.

This is one of the troubles - there are people who can express things which they have not experienced and there are people who have experienced things but they cannot express. It is not necessarily that you see the sunset and you may be able to paint it the way Picasso painted it. And it is possible Picasso may paint it without seeing it, and you have seen it but you cannot paint it - those are two different qualities. And that has created a problem."

ROFL
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49809 Mar 3, 2013
"I have not come to save anybody. If I can save myself, that is enough."

Mahavir, Founder of Jainism
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49811 Mar 3, 2013
Cass wrote:
Wow. This thread has survived for nearly five years. That's a long time to rehash the same topic.
rabbee: what makes you think, it is still the same topic being rehashed?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49822 Mar 3, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Why not? In Mumbai on Sunday you are not charged a good fee?
LOL
Sunday is church day of course
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49823 Mar 3, 2013
"Sexual intercourse is masturbation inside a woman."

- OSHO

ROFL
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49824 Mar 3, 2013
Off to the gym. Then an almond oil body massage followed by a hot shower. Bye.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49825 Mar 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Off to the gym. Then an almond oil body massage followed by a hot shower. Bye.
Dont forget to ask for the happy ending.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#49826 Mar 3, 2013
Jim wrote:
you can read true stories of true orthodox jews becoming followers and born again believers, many , many, and unlike Christians gentiles, they sometime cast them out of the family, and many more I hope come to know Yoshua the king of the jews, he is the sweetest and dearest friend, I have truly ever know, I hope he can draw all people to him, but many s heart will turn cold, god bless you
Ans.

Please feed me as many True Stories of True Orthodox Jews of being born again, I have ears to listen to them.

But please also tell me, how many of these Born again Jews converted to Christianity live in Isreal.

And the persons controlling Isreal, how many of them are born again?

I think it is only your "childish wish" that when these "hardened Jews" will see Jesus in his second coming, they would fall on their knees in front of him, kissing his hands and feet.

There is no end to your delusion, and you are entitled to your delusion, it is your birth right.

PS:

What is really happening, is that when President of USA , "requests" the Jewish / Zionist state of Israel, to abide by UN resolutions on Palestine and stop building new housing colonies on Arab landsÂ…

His request is met with abuses and personal insults to the US President and he has to keep quite to please the Jewish / Zionist Lobby.

And "simpletons" like you think that Jews would turn to wooly lambs by the time Jesus returns.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#49827 Mar 3, 2013
PS 2:

And more Christians have converted to Islam than those Orthodox Jews have been "born-again"?

It is just your wishful thinking that Jesus would have anything to do with this Atheistic Materialistic, Zionist state which you call as Isreal and which is controlled by Ashkenazi Jews. And if you think that these "hardened Jews" (whose hands are dripping with the bloods of innocent Palestinians) would fall on their knees, seeing Jesus coming on his second coming.... you are living under delusion.

A very big delusion.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49828 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Dont forget to ask for the happy ending.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, Papa.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49829 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
PS 2:
And more Christians have converted to Islam than those Orthodox Jews have been "born-again"?
It is just your wishful thinking that Jesus would have anything to do with this Atheistic Materialistic, Zionist state which you call as Isreal and which is controlled by Ashkenazi Jews. And if you think that these "hardened Jews" (whose hands are dripping with the bloods of innocent Palestinians) would fall on their knees, seeing Jesus coming on his second coming.... you are living under delusion.
A very big delusion.
These days Israel is administered by as many Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews as Ashkenazic. And being that those Sephards and Mizrachis originate from Arab countries, many of them are MORE right wing and rigid on religious and political issues than their Ashkenazic brethern.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49830 Mar 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
"Sexual intercourse is masturbation inside a woman."
- OSHO
ROFL
I fail to understand why this is a bad thing.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#49831 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
These days Israel is administered by as many Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews as Ashkenazic. And being that those Sephards and Mizrachis originate from Arab countries, many of them are MORE right wing and rigid on religious and political issues than their Ashkenazic brethern.
You could be right, Ashkenazi Jews would allow some one who are "better" than them.!!

So the future of Isreal is "very bright"!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#49832 Mar 4, 2013
MAAT wrote:
MUQ has the same grudge Christians have.
They both can't keep their authority (claimed to create an empire)without the Hebrew book.

Tribes are even created using the the torah!

But MUQ you are really shaitaning: badmouthing jews here and Christians in who's Allah.
I'm just waiting to see how low you will go or rather end after your brain has absorbed the entire spurious Barnabas phantasy. And the gall various Christians are spewing seems to have a detrimental effect too.
So scapegoat again.
Ans.

01. I am not bad mouthing Jews , I am telling their history as recorded in their own scriptures.

How Jews dealt with early Christians and how Christians paid back to them later is also recorded in the books of history.

What troubles Jews gave to our prophet and how he dealt with them is also properly recorded in Islamic books.

And the way Muslims dealt with Jews in general for past 1300 years is also available in books of history.

And what Jews did to these Palestinians for past 60 years , we have an eyewitness account of that.

How can you say I am bad mouthing Jews?

It has become a "fashion" in Western countries, not to tell facts about Jews and always support their every action.

This is a sickness, when some one says some truth about JewsÂ….they start condemning his as Anti Semite and bad mouthing Jews.

You should always be on the side of truth.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49833 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

I fail to understand why this is a bad thing.
I didn't say it's a bad thing.

His definition of the act is hilarious.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49834 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You could be right, Ashkenazi Jews would allow some one who are "better" than them.!!
So the future of Isreal is "very bright"!!
That comment made no sense what so ever.

want to try again?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49835 Mar 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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I didn't say it's a bad thing.
His definition of the act is hilarious.
But its sad that you have to emote on his description. If you ever had real sex you would be able to provide your own description.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49836 Mar 4, 2013
TRUTH, CAUSATION, RELIGIOUS DISCORD & UNIFICATION:

Always side with the truth - typed dear MUQ, the fanatic.

1) What is truth?

2) Truth within space-time where division, clash of the opposites, partial truths and dualism prevail is hard to define since the cause-effect chain stretches back beyond one or two superficial causes. It's a circle within a circle and gets confusing as one probes deeper.

4) If the Christians violently paid back the Jews for the persecution of the early Christians and for the crucifixion of Jesus, then, it can be equally claimed by the Jews that Jesus sought to disprupt their millennia-old culture and beliefs and so he was reviled and the proselytizing early Christians were also pushed aside forcefully for their rabid beliefs. This could account for Jewish opposition to Christianity in the times of Jesus and early post-Jesus era.

5) Besides, Jesus was no prince of peace as he openly advocated division in society and family, insisted that his teachings were the only ones that mattered which all should accept and called for the murder of his opponents.

6) Similarly, the Hebrew patriarchs fought against the followers of other gods and were attacked in turn and the result was genocides and bloodshed.

7) Muhammad would permit his useful idiots (followers) to spread his mumbo jumbo teachings among the Jews and others and insisted that everyone should accept him as the last prophet and his version of faith as the culmination of the previous versions and he would also view unfavorably any evangelical attempts made by the believers of other faiths among Muslims and calling this "mischief" in Muslim lands he would grant permission for jihad in which over the centuries millions have been killed in the name of juvenile creationist teachings and puerile rituals and till today the plight of non-Muslims in Islamic nations is pitiable.

8) So, we discover that getting at the whole and undiluted truth within the divisions of space-time is a formidable and an impossible task that ends up with a partial view, a modified aspect of a partial truth or a fragmentation of the real thing and as such this melee of clashing parts with their innate limitations or imperfections can only be resolved when each of the fragments and opposites and dualisms is put in its rightful place like assembling in correct order the varied pieces in a jigsaw puzzle so that instead of opposition and fragmentation the bits complement each other to form a complete and a harmonious picture the effect of which results as a superior condition of consciousness and energy with higher laws other than any of the fragments that pass off as truth.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49837 Mar 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

But its sad that you have to emote on his description. If you ever had real sex you would be able to provide your own description.
Ok, Papa.

I stand corrected as I have no practical experience of the sexual act.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49838 Mar 4, 2013
How to get from the divisive lower causation to the unified higher causation and beyond all causation to the absolute undifferentiated poise in consciousness, energy and matter is the great purpose of human existence.

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