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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49631 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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There are no poor or middle class people living in Breach Candy, Nepeansea Road, Walkeshwar, Cuffe Parade, Malabar, Peddder Road, Altamount Road, Carmichael Road and other areas in South Mumbai. There are a few slums on the fringes, that's all. Otherwise, these are highly exclusive areas.
There are several scholarships instituted by trusts funded by the wealthy that're made available to bright and needy students to pursue higher education.
Living in these elite areas in Mumbai is quite a different experience due to its global outlook than living in the other areas in Mumbai and the rest of India.
The class, style, poise, attitude and wealth on display are so overwhelming that even the Western expats get an inferior complex when they live on rental basis in apartments in any of the abovenamed swank areas. Even in the South Mumbai 5 star hotels like the Taj, Taj Vivanta, Oberoi-Trident, 4 Seasons or in uber-elite clubs like Willingdon, Bombay Gym, Breach Candy Club, Queen's Gym and a few others, the White expats feel ill-at-ease amdist the terrific class and tremendous money-power exuded by the South Mumbai crowd. And being educated at Cathedral puts you into a world that's exclusively Western with hardly or nothing of the ethnic touch. Cathedral is India's number one school and holds the national record of producing the highest number of IIT JEE toppers (All India Rank #1)and is well-known among the faculty of the best universities abroad. As stated, the language spoken at home and on the streets in these areas in South Mumbai is exclusively English. Not that we don't know Hindi or other Indian languages. We consider ourselves international citizens and so speak in English - and the level of English is of a high standard that matches the best spoken or written anywhere in the world - and our educational system and administration in India are based primarily on English. We've moved from the local to the global, from the parochial to the universal.
My question was in regards to Mumbai in general, obviously. We all know rich people and the people that love them have educational opportunities. But what about the poor? Can anyone achieve a higher level of education if they want to?

If not, you cant blame them from being "crass".

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49632 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Living in these elite areas in Mumbai is quite a different experience due to its global outlook than living in the other areas in Mumbai and the rest of India.
You make it sound like a global outlook is the highest level of civilization one can attain. Its not. Your notion is a combination of new money values, and internalized colonialism.

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#49633 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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The class, style, poise, attitude and wealth on display are so overwhelming that even the Western expats get an inferior complex when they live on rental basis in apartments in any of the abovenamed swank areas.
LOL

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#49634 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You make it sound like a global outlook is the highest level of civilization one can attain. Its not. Your notion is a combination of new money values, and internalized colonialism.
It's more than it, he confused the British culture in primis and then the Western culture as global outlook that the world has to attain to be considered as international citizens.

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#49635 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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There are no poor or middle class people living in Breach Candy, Nepeansea Road, Walkeshwar, Cuffe Parade, Malabar, Peddder Road, Altamount Road, Carmichael Road and other areas in South Mumbai. There are a few slums on the fringes, that's all. Otherwise, these are highly exclusive areas.
Unlike other people here, me and you know well that South of Cuffe Parade is full of slums. Not to speak the exterior outlook of the palaces in Cuffe Parade that look very dirty.

I don't know the situation of those swank areas you named but I won't be surprised if we find a similar situation like that in Cuffe Parade, where you claim to live at.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49636 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But what about the poor?

Can anyone achieve a higher level of education if they want to?

If not, you cant blame them from being "crass".
Education is merit-based and so there's no bar to entering IIT, or any other university provided one clears the entrance exams and is able to cope with the academic pressure once admitted to a professional college. Government and private scholarships are available aplenty for the economically weaker sections of society.

Goodness, high thinking, intelligence and class are innate in one's nature and have nothing to do with economic or educational status though in India we see that the poorer areas are zones of degradation and mass disorganization and they're adding to the mess with their flawed attitudes. Besides, I clearly stated in aprevious post and I add that most Indians, in India or abroad, rich or poor/educated or uneducated, are ill-bred and can hardly be called human beings.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49637 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You make it sound like a global outlook is the highest level of civilization one can attain. Its not.
See, you will not understand the value of cultivating a global outlook shorn of all narrow affiliations in view of the tribal cult that you cling to and the parochial ethno-cultural-religious stand that you adopt in your dealings with people here.

Besides, it's evident that you're not exposed to the high life in a material sense and led a rather impoverished life in days bygone and even now it's quite evident that you're still struggling in this sense. I don't condemn but I am just making a point to clarify the issue.

So, a person with a sectarian outlook and lacking in intelligence, secularism, sensitivity and materialism can never appreciate what it means to cultivate a global outlook that's free of parochialism, narrow identities and bigotry.

The cultivation of a global outlook is an important step towards the supramental realization that is based not on divisions, bigotry and sectarianism but on a unified cosmic causation.

The supramental yoga demands an integral or all-round perfection and so the genuine candidates of the integral yoga would ideally speaking be those rare individuals who are all-rounded having beauty, poise, intelligence, material wealth, compassion, endurance, secularism, eco-sensitivity and capacity for inner experiences. Only such a versatile or well-rounded person can attain to the unified state of the supramental consciousness, while those with deficiences in any of the above departments will have only partial yogic experiences (either of the spiritual or demonic kind) provided they have the capacity for yoga.

Lots of Love and Best Regards.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49638 Feb 26, 2013
The global outlook leads to the cosmic outlook.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49639 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Education is merit-based and so there's no bar to entering IIT, or any other university provided one clears the entrance exams and is able to cope with the academic pressure once admitted to a professional college. Government and private scholarships are available aplenty for the economically weaker sections of society..
But are there only limited spots? Or are there opportunities open to anyone who qualifies?
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>Goodness, high thinking, intelligence and class are innate in one's nature and have nothing to do with economic or educational status though in India we see that the poorer areas are zones of degradation and mass disorganization and they're adding to the mess with their flawed attitudes. Besides, I clearly stated in aprevious post and I add that most Indians, in India or abroad, rich or poor/educated or uneducated, are ill-bred and can hardly be called human beings.
racist comment and not directly to the subject at hand

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49640 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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See, you will not understand the value of cultivating a global outlook shorn of all narrow affiliations in view of the tribal cult that you cling to and the parochial ethno-cultural-religious stand that you adopt in your dealings with people here.
you are conceiving and then elevating a particular set of values over others - thats opinion
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>Besides, it's evident that you're not exposed to the high life in a material sense and led a rather impoverished life in days bygone and even now it's quite evident that you're still struggling in this sense. I don't condemn but I am just making a point to clarify the issue.
actually you know squat about me
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49641 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But are there only limited spots? Or are there opportunities open to anyone who qualifies?
Those few students who make it to the IITs, BITs, ISM, IIMs, IAS, AFMC, UICT, AIIMS and other prestigious universities in India have acadejmic merit whether they're rich or poor. Once admitted via an entrance exam, the government subsidizes the fees and gives away plenty of freebies to those who can't afford the education. Private donors also chip in.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49642 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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you are conceiving and then elevating a particular set of values over others - thats opinion
With me almost everthing is based on direct experience. My experiences and observations have led me to the conclusions that I posted earlier.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49643 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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you are conceiving and then elevating a particular set of values over others - thats opinion

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actually you know squat about me.
Ok, Papa.

I thank you for all the care and affection that you keep pouring out on me.

I look to you as a father figure and have no wish to disrespect you.

I am always at your service and will not mind even if you abuse or punch me.

Wishing you greater happiness, peace, prosperity, good health and a long and fruitful life.

Take care.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49644 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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racist comment and not directly to the subject at hand.
Ok, Papa.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49645 Feb 26, 2013
I am thinking of my late biological parents, now. No matter how much they troubled me, I want the very best for them in the disembodied state. Take care dad and mom. Your loving son is about to take a big step in life very soon. Tina, my late sister - you, too, are in my thoughts and I will always remember you with great fondness despite the bitterness towards the end over the inheritance dispute. Peace to all of you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49646 Feb 26, 2013
Good night.
Eric

Hoffman Estates, IL

#49647 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Education is merit-based and so there's no bar to entering IIT, or any other university provided one clears the entrance exams and is able to cope with the academic pressure once admitted to a professional college. Government and private scholarships are available aplenty for the economically weaker sections of society.
Goodness, high thinking, intelligence and class are innate in one's nature and have nothing to do with economic or educational status though in India we see that the poorer areas are zones of degradation and mass disorganization and they're adding to the mess with their flawed attitudes. Besides, I clearly stated in aprevious post and I add that most Indians, in India or abroad, rich or poor/educated or uneducated, are ill-bred and can hardly be called human beings.
That's fine for higher education, but what about education leading up to higher education? What is the quality of the education available to the lower socio-economic classes so that they may pass the entrance exams?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49649 Feb 26, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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It's more than it, he confused the British culture in primis and then the Western culture as global outlook that the world has to attain to be considered as international citizens.
You are bringing up an interesting point.

Is there really such a thing as a global outlook / international citizen? Or is it always colored by somebodies subjective notion unconsciously colored by one's own national experience in some way, or in Joels case - a reaction/rejection to his host culture.

Call me tribal, but I dont think there is such a thing as a global outlook or culture. What do you think?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49650 Feb 26, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Those few students who make it to the IITs, BITs, ISM, IIMs, IAS, AFMC, UICT, AIIMS and other prestigious universities in India have acadejmic merit whether they're rich or poor. Once admitted via an entrance exam, the government subsidizes the fees and gives away plenty of freebies to those who can't afford the education. Private donors also chip in.
Eric has a valid point (though I was headed there anyway). To make it to those qualifying exams, does one first have to rise up thru the ranks, and more significantly have the means and opportunity to rise up thru the ranks? Or could a very smart but undereducated person perform well on them?

From what you have described, your system might be better in at least one way than ours in that once there, scholarships are available.

However, the availability doesnt sound as democratic as our system, where we have community colleges, State universities, and Private universities and colleges, all fulfilling the needs of different economic backgrounds to some degree.

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#49651 Feb 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You are bringing up an interesting point.
Is there really such a thing as a global outlook / international citizen? Or is it always colored by somebodies subjective notion unconsciously colored by one's own national experience in some way, or in Joels case - a reaction/rejection to his host culture.
Call me tribal, but I dont think there is such a thing as a global outlook or culture. What do you think?
Those terms are as true as is true the concept of race.

There is no such a thing as race, it's just a term with multi-definitions and several set of identifications.

The standards to define what race is depends from accademic backgrounds.

Cause of this, you can find a well defined group of people clustered with more than one race, if you pick the several definitions of race made by several people.

It's all subjective, variable with time and it won't lead to one way.

All in all what Joel says has no basis to stay on.

Hope it's clear what I said.

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