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““You must not lose faith ”

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#49393 Feb 18, 2013
The message new to the people of Arabia...the entire invasion was new i say!
They where not known as muslims but as import.
Strangers from abroad.

But it kind of pays to look up: quraan hanief of Abraham. Several mentions usually in the sense of upright others as friend.
Usually it get's a monotheistic interpretation however.
But the Hanief as group have their own set of rules too!

quraan:
98/Al-Baiyinah 5: And they have been commanded for nothing but to worship Allah as HANIF, being righteous (with a purified soul (ego)) and to perform regular prayer and to give alms. And that is the Religion which is QAYYUM (True and Acceptable).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49394 Feb 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact of the matter is that many immoral acts might be considered the norm.
Obama's drone strikes of innocent women and children might end up being normal to you, aren't the drone strikes not conforming to societal norms?
false equivalence

COR never opined regarding the normality or the morality of drone strikes

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#49395 Feb 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact of the matter is that many immoral acts might be considered the norm.
Obama's drone strikes of innocent women and children might end up being normal to you, aren't the drone strikes not conforming to societal norms?
There is no state so that never happened. ;p

You are strange, there is no society where 'immoral acts' are considered normal.

It's not like they aim to get women and children!
Nor would they know if they are used as a shield or cover.
Nor are women and chidren in a position to prevent this and if nothing is done they never ever will.
Militant Islamist consider them lower than animals, so how was that about morals again?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#49398 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no state so that never happened. ;p
You are strange, there is no society where 'immoral acts' are considered normal.
It's not like they aim to get women and children!
Nor would they know if they are used as a shield or cover.
Nor are women and chidren in a position to prevent this and if nothing is done they never ever will.
Militant Islamist consider them lower than animals, so how was that about morals again?
But you got to understand that the government lets the people believe that these are drone strikes, in order to cover up for the fact that these are really all asteroid attacks.

That way they can achieve three important objectives simultaneously 1) foster a sense of military control over the population, 2)keep the public from panicking, and 3) prepare the world for one world government by promoting a sense of inevitability.

I know all of this because it is all explained on the websites that I follow. Therefore it has to be true.
Voluntarist

United States

#49400 Feb 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
false equivalence
COR never opined regarding the normality or the morality of drone strikes
It is an example, the people can be desensitized into thinking that drone strikes are the norm.
Voluntarist

United States

#49401 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no state so that never happened. ;p
You are strange, there is no society where 'immoral acts' are considered normal.
It's not like they aim to get women and children!
Nor would they know if they are used as a shield or cover.
Nor are women and chidren in a position to prevent this and if nothing is done they never ever will.
Militant Islamist consider them lower than animals, so how was that about morals again?
How do you know what they aim for?
And then we have the constitution of no authority, where did Obama derive this power from?
Of course there are no citizens there are no states and no evidence that the so called constitution is applicable to anyone.
Voluntarist

United States

#49402 Feb 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
But you got to understand that the government lets the people believe that these are drone strikes, in order to cover up for the fact that these are really all asteroid attacks.
That way they can achieve three important objectives simultaneously 1) foster a sense of military control over the population, 2)keep the public from panicking, and 3) prepare the world for one world government by promoting a sense of inevitability.
I know all of this because it is all explained on the websites that I follow. Therefore it has to be true.
I saw it on tv therefore it Is true
a man that calls himself a scientist says so therefore it's true
The government created a special panel of themselves to investigate their own findings therefore their conclusion is true because they never lie or make mistakes.
The government says there are such things called magic bullets therefore their story is true.

There is no such thing as internment camps because the government says so the fema camps are for your own protection.

The law enforcement are there to protect you, without them there would be mass chaos because. the government says so.
Law enforcement has no duty to protect anyone because the government says so.

Magical words on a piece of paper modify human behavior because the government says so.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#49403 Feb 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw it on tv therefore it Is true
a man that calls himself a scientist says so therefore it's true
The government created a special panel of themselves to investigate their own findings therefore their conclusion is true because they never lie or make mistakes.
The government says there are such things called magic bullets therefore their story is true.
There is no such thing as internment camps because the government says so the fema camps are for your own protection.
The law enforcement are there to protect you, without them there would be mass chaos because. the government says so.
Law enforcement has no duty to protect anyone because the government says so.
Magical words on a piece of paper modify human behavior because the government says so.
me thinks the lady doth protest too much

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#49404 Feb 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know what they aim for?
And then we have the constitution of no authority, where did Obama derive this power from?
Of course there are no citizens there are no states and no evidence that the so called constitution is applicable to anyone.
Intelligence.
I'm sorry, i could mention the Acte van Verlaetinge which is the forerunner, or say by social contract. But frankly i haven't got a clue what your on about, you might as well have implied reasonable deniablity, as point to some legitimate grieve.
The rest would be semantics.
But frankly the question was on my mind why 'marriage as sexual acts constitutes insecticide' or some such statement by Joel.
Voluntarist

United States

#49405 Feb 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Intelligence.
I'm sorry, i could mention the Acte van Verlaetinge which is the forerunner, or say by social contract. But frankly i haven't got a clue what your on about, you might as well have implied reasonable deniablity, as point to some legitimate grieve.
The rest would be semantics.
But frankly the question was on my mind why 'marriage as sexual acts constitutes insecticide' or some such statement by Joel.
Your answer to how do you know what they aim for is I intelligence? who's intelligence?

If I was aiming for a deer bad shot you would I be criminally culpable?
If the president told me to kill the deer do I get a pass?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#49406 Feb 18, 2013
Which Sword the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64

Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.

Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.

Beside so many Swords which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.

Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.

G. The Case of : JEWS OF BANI QURAIDHAH

This is the case which enemies of Islam highlight much and present our prophet as a "merciless killer" who witnessed the murder of whole Jewish tribe in cold blood and there is hardly any western biographer of Prophet's life who does not shed 'crocodiles tears' at the fate of these Jews.

But seeing the conduct of prophet with Jewish tribes of his time living in Arabia, before or after the JEWS OF BANI QURAIDHAH , we find that their case was an exception.

1. Prophet and his pact with Jewish Tribes of Madina:

When prophet came to Madina, three Jewish Tribes were living there and one of the First Act which prophet did was to write a pact of unified defense and co-existence between Muslims and these three jewish tribes.

They were given freedom to continue and practice their religion and live in Madina, and have a pact of 'joint defense' with Muslims should there be any outside attack. And they should live in peace and harmony and do not do any act which harms any party.

2. How Prophet dealt with Other Jewish Tribes:

But as it happens, these jewish tribes broke their pact with Muslims one by one. The first tribe was BANI QAINUQAH, who were asked to leave Madina with their possessions and arms they went and settled with Jews of KHAIBAR and others.

The second were BANI NADHEER, who also broke the pact and prophet lay a siege to their locality and after a brief resistance, they surrendered to prophet and he asked them to leave Madina with household goods that can be carried on camels. They destroyed their own houses (so that Muslims should not use them) and loaded their goods on camels, and left Madina and got settled in KHAIBAR a Jewish Community some distance from Madina.

Then prophet conquered KHAIBAR and other Jewish communities like FADAK, TEIMA, etc. He made a peace pact with them on payment of Tribute which is called JIZYA in Arabic.

3. BANI QURAIZAH were exception and not the rule:

So we do not find that in ANY case of prophet dealing with Jews, where the punishment given to Jews of BANI QURAIZAH was repeated. And we do not know another case in 1400 years of Islamic history, where this rule was used against ANY people, be it Jews, Christians or Jews themselves.

So by any standard this was an exception, and people should look into what was the Crime of This Jewish Tribe and why they deserved Exemplary Punishment. And on another level we should see, if this was not the punishment which Torah itself provided.

(Contd.)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862

Since: May 12

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#49407 Feb 18, 2013
JOEL wrote:
MARRIAGE IS AN ARTIFICIAL INSTIUTION:
1) The human being is the most intelligent but the most dangerous animal on earth.
2) Where sex is concerned, humans are more obsessed with sex than the animals.
3) For entertainment and appeasement of sexual urges, humans have devised means like porn and prostitution.
4) Human beings rape people and in many cases force their own children, especially young girls, into prostitution.
5) There are millions of cases of biological fathers raping and impregnating their own daughters.
6) Humans have invented divorce and polygyny to satiate the sex urge since mating just one partner tends to wear off after a time - variety is the spice of life!
7) Humans are less faithful than animals but yet human beings have invented marriage to serve as a permanent bond between man and woman.
8) If the human species was meant to be strictly monogamous, then, we'd not lust after dozens of persons of the opposite or of the same sex as the case may be. Our attention would be fixated on just a single partner that we'd marry via arranged marriage and all thoughts of lusting after other individuals or indulging in pre or extra marital sex would be absent from our mind.
9) Marriage is as such an artifical institution and if maintaining psychological, vital-emotional and physical stability is the aim then the way out is to refrain from drawing in the psycho-vital-emotional-physica l energies from multiple partners by sticking to just one partner and if the condition is this that man and woman should stay chaste till marriage without sex thoughts crossing the mind and stay away from ogling others or entering into sexual affairs then monogamy should have been ingrained in human nature which it is not.
10) Partners can live togther and remain loyal to each other if that is in their nature even without exchanging mumbo jumbo religious vows.
I read all your points and none of them explain why marriage is an artificial institution. Once again you are using words out of the context.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49408 Feb 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Why do dogs lick their balls?
It produces a cooling effect.

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49409 Feb 18, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>

I read all your points and none of them explain why marriage is an artificial institution. Once again you are using words out of the context.
Marriage - an artificial institution?

That's the conclusion of my narrative which means that marriage has no causal mechanism supporting or favoring it nor does marriage confer any psychological, vital, emotional, physical or evolutionary advantage on the partners to the act. It's just a human convention and not a law of matter, emotion, or mind.

I use the term "artificial" in this sense.

Those ten points simply brought out the horrors and hypocrisy of marriage.

One can live in with a partner without being married - neither a mumbo jumbo religious nor a hollow civil ceremony.

Loyalty or fidelity depends on one's nature and if one sticks to just one partner throughout in marriage/live-in relationships then one's force fields remain relatively more stable than if one goes through multiple affairs/relationships that damage the balance of one's force fields since intimacy always results in concentrated exchange of forces and sex involves the greatest intimacy and the most intense exchange of physical, vital, emotional and mental energies.

So, to protect one's force fields, it is always better to remain loyal to one partner or at the most have no more than 2 or 3 relationships in a lifetime but the former condition of monogamy is better provided one has marked monogamous instincts.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49410 Feb 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

You first!
Yes, as soon as I shift to the new apartment.

But, my live-in relationship with Rachel - a Buju - will be platonic since despite quitting the integral yoga in Dec 2012 on account of extremely intense and continuous life threatening attacks from the adverse forces, the yogic experiences are spontaneously continuing and so this exalted condition requires celibacy and conservation of energies.

If I enter into a sexual relationship with her, then, one of the major objectives of the supramental descent into my being which is the abolition of the sex urge would be defeated and would result in damage to my nervous system and it would also dislocate the concentricizing planes and parts of my being around the supramental principle that would unhinge my mind-matter balance.

Since: May 12

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#49411 Feb 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Which Sword the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64
Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.
Beside so many Swords which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.
Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.
G. The Case of : JEWS OF BANI QURAIDHAH
This is the case which enemies of Islam highlight much and present our prophet as a "merciless killer" who witnessed the murder of whole Jewish tribe in cold blood and there is hardly any western biographer of Prophet's life who does not shed 'crocodiles tears' at the fate of these Jews.
But seeing the conduct of prophet with Jewish tribes of his time living in Arabia, before or after the JEWS OF BANI QURAIDHAH , we find that their case was an exception.
1. Prophet and his pact with Jewish Tribes of Madina:
When prophet came to Madina, three Jewish Tribes were living there and one of the First Act which prophet did was to write a pact of unified defense and co-existence between Muslims and these three jewish tribes.
They were given freedom to continue and practice their religion and live in Madina, and have a pact of 'joint defense' with Muslims should there be any outside attack. And they should live in peace and harmony and do not do any act which harms any party.
2. How Prophet dealt with Other Jewish Tribes:
But as it happens, these jewish tribes broke their pact with Muslims one by one. The first tribe was BANI QAINUQAH, who were asked to leave Madina with their possessions and arms they went and settled with Jews of KHAIBAR and others.
The second were BANI NADHEER, who also broke the pact and prophet lay a siege to their locality and after a brief resistance, they surrendered to prophet and he asked them to leave Madina with household goods that can be carried on camels. They destroyed their own houses (so that Muslims should not use them) and loaded their goods on camels, and left Madina and got settled in KHAIBAR a Jewish Community some distance from Madina.
Then prophet conquered KHAIBAR and other Jewish communities like FADAK, TEIMA, etc. He made a peace pact with them on payment of Tribute which is called JIZYA in Arabic.
3. BANI QURAIZAH were exception and not the rule:
So we do not find that in ANY case of prophet dealing with Jews, where the punishment given to Jews of BANI QURAIZAH was repeated. And we do not know another case in 1400 years of Islamic history, where this rule was used against ANY people, be it Jews, Christians or Jews themselves.
So by any standard this was an exception, and people should look into what was the Crime of This Jewish Tribe and why they deserved Exemplary Punishment. And on another level we should see, if this was not the punishment which Torah itself provided.
(Contd.)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862
For the first time Muhammad came to Medina as prophet and yet he was charged to write pacts between the Muslims and Jews?

Isn't more logic to write a pact with the representatives of both of communities? It sounds like the Jews of Medina were fools.

Your article tells us only that the Jews broke the pact, but never explain why they did, making therefore pass this article as a mere muslim propaganda.

Muhammad has not the authority to expel anyone from their own lands.

I also read that your prophet made a peace pact with other Jewish tribes after payment of tribute.

By your own propaganda I see your prophet really was a merciless killer and dictator.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49413 Feb 19, 2013
Muhammad was a loon.

Since: May 12

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#49415 Feb 19, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, as soon as I shift to the new apartment.
But, my live-in relationship with Rachel - a Buju - will be platonic since despite quitting the integral yoga in Dec 2012 on account of extremely intense and continuous life threatening attacks from the adverse forces, the yogic experiences are spontaneously continuing and so this exalted condition requires celibacy and conservation of energies.
If I enter into a sexual relationship with her, then, one of the major objectives of the supramental descent into my being which is the abolition of the sex urge would be defeated and would result in damage to my nervous system and it would also dislocate the concentricizing planes and parts of my being around the supramental principle that would unhinge my mind-matter balance.
But last year you told us that this Rachel was going to marry a Zoroastrian or Zoroastrian Jewish, I don't recollect exactly where... Now instead you are saying you are having a platonic relation with a married woman?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49418 Feb 19, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>

But last year you told us that this Rachel was going to marry a Zoroastrian or Zoroastrian Jewish, I don't recollect exactly where... Now instead you are saying you are having a platonic relation with a married woman?
They split up.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#49419 Feb 19, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
For the first time Muhammad came to Medina as prophet and yet he was charged to write pacts between the Muslims and Jews?
Isn't more logic to write a pact with the representatives of both of communities? It sounds like the Jews of Medina were fools.
Your article tells us only that the Jews broke the pact, but never explain why they did, making therefore pass this article as a mere muslim propaganda.
Muhammad has not the authority to expel anyone from their own lands.
I also read that your prophet made a peace pact with other Jewish tribes after payment of tribute.
By your own propaganda I see your prophet really was a merciless killer and dictator.
He should have stuck to the actual history.
We find poetic girls, an old man and jews are to be put to the sword of steel.
And now look into the quraan!
Medina was akingdowm, it's own souvereignity. With a jewish synagoge, the nightride witnessed by Badar, that was requisitioned by the invaders, that were not from the region at all. Not even from Arabia.

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