Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49018 Feb 10, 2013
More interesting quotes from FRITJOF CAPRA with commentaries from me later. I have to leave for the gym.

Shalom.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#49019 Feb 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Are you threatening me?
Is quoting from Margoliuth book is a sort of "Anti Virus" for people like me?
It means you also consider him as a person with "strong Anti Muslim Bias"?
That just proves my case that he was not a True Scholar whose aim is to present the truth.
He was the most biased person that wrote on Islam and I do not find any excuse for such people....because they did it knowingly and after understanding the full message.
May be we can put him in the same league of ABDULLAH BIN UBAI, KAAB BIN ASHRAF OR ABU LAHAB (I think that he was most on the line of ABU LAHAB, whose story shall follow after a few episodes) Inshallah, i.e. Allah Willing
My point is that you started this seris as an apology to present the prophet as a humane character, in recounting the grossest human rights violations in a favourable light, were the prophet always comes out with clean hands.

The book by Margoliouth (which is a synopsis of several studies of some people that are held to the highest esteem by Islamic authorities) shows the real authentic Islam and it's traditions, before the west made an entry and before they thus felt a need to start a public relations campaign.
An example is being so favourably inclined towards the sciences.
Well if banning astronomy is an exampe of the reality, we know that reinstating it is the apologist public scrutiny from the west awareness. They are aware now that the west does not abide duplicity, but have not caught on that the same goes for equivocation.

So i'm saying that you are painting a biassed picture.
And that i feel inclined to right this wrong.
Since you are not doing a favor to the truth.
Your anti-western bias shimmers trough in your iterated response.
But the point is that muslims would also be fooled.
Modernism as in a proper analysis and multifacetted reality is not provided and is most certainly not served by a cover of apologist white-washing.
No matter how thin that veneer is. Precisely that makes the intent of arrogance in assuming ignorance on the part of the western receiver, so clear.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49021 Feb 10, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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So, then, by this yardstick, the God of Adam, Eve and their progeny is very different from the G-d of the Hebrews/Jews.
The God the Noah is also very different from the God of Adam and family and is also different from the G-d of the Hebrews/Jews.
How can a faith with a tribal view suddenly morph into one with a worldview when it has nothing to do with other Gods such as the God that Adam and his family worshipped or the God that Noah venerated?
Discarding all reference to the beings worshipped, in my view, Adam represents the masculine aspect of the cosmic lower vital principle, while Eve is the female counterpart. This is how Adam and Eve became a part of the religious-view of Judaism. This interpretation is tenable since the Hebrew/Jewish faith is exclusively based on the vital force as evidenced in its teachings and the phenomena and deeds of its patriarchs as narrated in the books of Judaism.
rabbee: nope guess again, false breath. don't you even know, the womans name ain't right. because the world says it is true, is your first clue it is wrong. there is no such name as eve, in the whole Torah Scroll. and their ain't nobody by the name noah, in TheTorah Scroll either.

and the version of adam and chaooah, G-D gave to Moshe. is more credible than your, worldly Jesus to jesus and eve story. with your mentally imbalanced, teachings in this whole totally confused world. and TheTorah always beguins day one, with Noach. just after G-D returns from TheDay of Rest. and Adam does not even arrive, till the end of of the fourth day. and does not return as adam and his mate, till the near end of the sixth day.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49022 Feb 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
OOPS correction
I would think the fact that New Haven Pizza is a RED pizza (i.e. no cheese) automatically disqualifies itself from being Neapolitan style
rabbee: pizza is and american invention, fashioned somewhat after the roman soldiers garum.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#49023 Feb 10, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Sore muscles is about the worst of it for me.
Personally, I think Colony is better. Service with an attitude.
I've been hearing about their hot oil pizza for years, just never had a chance to check it out.

Will make it there on next visit.

Have you been to their clone? Is it Reiko's?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#49024 Feb 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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First important things first - Remo. Never been to Reikos. There is also a relatively new and excellent wood fired pseudo organic place in Bulls Head shopping plaza.
Stamford and Greenwich got ripped off. Somewhere between 12 and 14 inches. Fairfield and on up the 95 corridor got the good stuff. 3 feet. Milford got more than 3 feet.
This week is going to be in the 40s so we get the great melt. yuck.
Didn't Remo's win the pizza contest a couple of years ago?

Now I have to check out TWO pizza places next time I'm in town. Good thing pizza (without pig snout etc) is actually a well balanced meal!

Yeah, we're heading for 50 tomorrow with rain. There goes the snow.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#49025 Feb 10, 2013
Are Muq and Rabeei the same person? I'm confused.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49026 Feb 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Pain is a subjective phenomenon.
To measure or experience the actual degree of pain felt by an animal being slaughtered, one has to enter into the consciousness of the beast. There is no other way of knowing. Obviously, a deep cut to the jugular would pain a hell of a lot causing great suffering to the animal as it dies writhing and heaving in a mass of blood.
Please pick a position and stay with it. You introduced a quote about animal welfare workers and veterinarians. I researched it and corrected the quote. Now you are changing the goalposts.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49027 Feb 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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So, the modern Jewish mind can repeat the same supraphysical experiences of the patriarchs as recorded in the Tanach?
I have no idea what "supraphysical experiences" you are referring to. That's your terminology, no mine, and not of the texts. But I believe elemental experiences such as establishing a connection with the divine is a basic religious experience, and yes, anyone can do it if they wish.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49028 Feb 11, 2013
saviorself wrote:
Are Muq and Rabeei the same person? I'm confused.
You must be, to suggest that.

One is muslim, the other one defies categorization.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#49029 Feb 11, 2013
Any pizza left?

I'm ravenous.
Just a guy

New York, NY

#49030 Feb 11, 2013
There is a YouTube video back in '07 or '08 where a director interviewed young ppl of the Jewish faith in Israel regarding Obama bring president.

Those interviewed were very racist and disgusting! It reminded me of this problem we have in America.

I am not in support of Israel.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#49031 Feb 11, 2013
saviorself wrote:
Are Muq and Rabeei the same person? I'm confused.
How they could be? Are you so dumb?

Rabbi guy always types G-D and I never do that. I use God or Allah in its place?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#49032 Feb 11, 2013
Jim wrote:
when it comes to the light of G-ds word you and others are standing in a dark room, lost, but keep reading the bible and praying, and seeking god and he just may open your minds to the word of G-od, which is Yeshua, a persons intellect cannot grasp the truth of God without G-d first grasping your intellect, Jesus was the invisible God , made visible in his flesh, he preformed miracles no other prophet had never ever done, only through Jesus can one find heaven..........
Ans.

It seems that you are trapped in a Well and have very limited vision.

Come out of your well and see the real world.

Calling Jesus God is the ultimate insult that you are causing to Both God and Jesus.

This is your claim and Jesus has nothing to do with it.

In the hereafter, he would certainly declare his ignorance of the Blasphemy which his "Over Zealous" followers made on his behalf.

Wake up and think reasonably and logically.

How can God become a man?

Performing Miracles does not turn you into God?

Moses' Miracles were much in Grandeur than Jesus'
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#49033 Feb 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
1. You brought up the topic of domicile, not me. You said the Messianic should drop the word "Jew" from their name and live wherever they wanted, which would include Israel I assume. I only reminded you that they could not remain Messianic and live in Mecca. They would have to change their religious beliefs. That is not living anywhere they wanted. You are being hypocritical.

2.

They most certainly did. They got all of what today is Jordan and about half of what is Israel today. It wasn't enough for them. They wanted it all. They started a war and lost. They wouldn't negotiate peace. Their people suffer.

You tell us not to look back in time for our roots, but you want to look back in time for the Arab roots. The Arabs were awarded 2/3 of the land in 1948 which was equitable for their then presence. They wanted it all but they didn't succeed. They refused to negotiate peace. Their people suffer.
Ans.

01. I think we have had enough of this subject. We said to each other what was to say. Let people decide who is speaking the truth.

02. You are totally wrong and confusing the whole issue. Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq have no connection with the Palestine.

Before 1917, only 10 % Jews lived in Palestine and 90 % were Arabs.

So the land of Palestine should have been divided 90 % for Arabs and 10 % for jews.

And in their 10 % Jews could invite Jews from all over the world to live there, we have no problem with that.

This is justice and justice is what would solve this problem.

Not arms, not wars and not being Bully and keep a Big daddy to support you all times.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#49034 Feb 11, 2013
MAAT wrote:
01. My point is that you started this series as an apology to present the prophet as a humane character, in recounting the grossest human rights violations in a favorable light, were the prophet always comes out with clean hands.

02. The book by Margoliouth (which is a synopsis of several studies of some people that are held to the highest esteem by Islamic authorities)..

03. Well if banning astronomy is an example of the reality, we know that reinstating it is the apologist public scrutiny from the west awareness...

04. Your anti-western bias shimmers trough in your iterated response.
But the point is that muslims would also be fooled.

05. Modernism as in a proper analysis and multifaceted reality is not provided and is most certainly not served by a cover of apologist white-washing.
Ans.

01. I did not start this series in the form of "apology". We have nothing to apologize for.

Why only our prophet, every prophet of God has to come out with clean hands. You have very false notion about the stature and office of prophet, that is why you make such loose comments about them.

Prophets of God and God' chosen people and His selection is not humans. He picks up best and most suitable persons for the job.

02. Prof. Margoliuth is the "most biased" scholar that I have seen. The way he accepts parts of the same Hadith and reject other, as per his own wish, tells of his bias.

03. In Islam there was never any ban on any branch of science or technology. It was Christian Church which banned study of astronomy. Quran is the Only Scripture on the face of earth that can stand on its feet with discoveries of Modern Science.

04. My posts might look like Anti Western to you, but you should also look at your posts, how anti Islamic they are. These are two way streets and you cannot put whole blame to one side.

And West's progress in science and technology does not mean that they have become experts on every field. They have to learn from Eastern people about religion and how religious debates and discussions are carried out.

05. There is nothing like Modernism. Every age is Modern to its contemporaries and becomes outdated to those who come after them.

Human nature and things which are bad for human civilizations do not change just because we live in Modern age.

Sexual immorality, Sodomy and Lesbianism,. Free Sex, Alcoholism, Narcotic consumption , Gambling and Usury shall always be bad for human civilization, irrespective on in which age we live.

Islam deals with these fundamentals and bans each and every thing that is harmful to human civilization as a whole.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49035 Feb 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I have no idea what "supraphysical experiences" you are referring to. That's your terminology, no mine, and not of the texts. But I believe elemental experiences such as establishing a connection with the divine is a basic religious experience, and yes, anyone can do it if they wish.
Ok, if you say so, Papa.

(smiles)

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#49036 Feb 11, 2013
Just a guy wrote:
There is a YouTube video back in '07 or '08 where a director interviewed young ppl of the Jewish faith in Israel regarding Obama bring president.
Those interviewed were very racist and disgusting! It reminded me of this problem we have in America.
I am not in support of Israel.
I noticed that televion tends to show more controversial opinions, makes for more interest holding programs.
I recall Ali B. a dutch morrocan rapper (If you ain't black you ave no cause rappin. Just my opinion. It looks wanna-be) going to Israel and the territories. Israeli rapprs were declared non-interesting. The gaza-pssies however were rude and opiniated, so that made for a more interesting biassed program.

I also i the Bush ears talked to a high-school kid that had with his class been interviewed by CNN about Bush's policies.
Well they were selected and trained weeks in advance, so all appeared wellbehaved and nothing out of the ordinary was said.
Which was interesting (having seen the interview)because just about every person had a strong opinion. It made them look like they were slightly retarded.

For this program you mentioned they could also have used Ethiopean origin jews. The tone would have been different, but Biden was a strange cookie.

I'm by the way a big fan of Obama and his policies. And frankly none can move the process. So it's no chip on my shoulder.

And why do you not support Israel?

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#49037 Feb 11, 2013
It's by the way very strange for other countries to mix into internal policies.
Every other country is strictly hands of unless invited.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#49038 Feb 11, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Ok, if you say so, Papa.
(smiles)
I am not convinced that your Stepford Yogi shtik is the proper response to me either.

If you want to have a conversation, we can have a conversation.

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