Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

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Jan 28, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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The lady doth protest too much, me thinks
It is true that I have feminine extremities, however I am a MAN and not a lady.

Later dear.
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Frijoles wrote:
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On an unrelated topic, do you know any of these people?
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ideas-innovatio...
It was a sunny morning in May, and I was in a car with a linguist and a tax preparer trolling the suburbs of Chicago for native speakers of Aramaic, the 3,000-year-old language of Jesus.
No, but it was an unusual group.

On the topic of the article, it hits on the point that I was trying to make with SamBee and Bruce a number of times. Aramaic, not Hebrew, was the vernacular at the time of Jesus and would have been the language he spoke. His name would have been Eashoa, not Yeshua. The idea that the Messianics have been throwing around to insert Hebrew names and words into the New Testament willy nilly is ridiculous. The quotations would never have been in Hebrew. As much as I dislike Mel Gibson, he had it right in his movie when he had the actors speak Aramaic.
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HughBe wrote:
A word to ALL battyboys i.e. Eric, Frijoles, Former etc. my position on your sexual practice is stated below.
1. If gay sex makes you happy/gay go for it providing it is legal. I don't support illegal actions.
2. If you believe that the behaviour is consistent with the will of your god, go for it.
3. If you believe that there is no life hereafter, go for it.
4. Your gay sex does not make you less of a person that the straight person who indulges in fornication or adultery.
5. Having said all of the above, understand that same sex intercourse is UNACCEPTABLE to the God of Abraham. So, do NOT deceive yourself or be deceived by others who allow the Satan within them to deceive you.
6. I am serious about ALL that I have written.
7. God loves you just as much as anyone else. He certainly DISAGREES with your behaviour BUT He does not hate you and neither do I. I actually like you battyboys BUT not your LYING ways.
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Dear Eric my RUMP specialist friend, why not speak about neutral or pleasant things?
Why not avoid DESCENDING into the gutters with your LIES?
Understand this, the things that you say are UNTRUE and if you lack understanding ask for help.
Your dear friend, Hugh.
Wow, emotions running rampant or what? Definitely the wrong time of the month. Get your hormones in order. Maybe you need estrogen to stave off the effects of menopause.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
IamJoseph wrote:
Israel is being attacked from every possible angle - and this is an evil scenario, embellished with a false saving grace. There should be one small place on the planet where jews can be free to pursue their own beliefs, and this must be respected by insecure christians and muslims, who have a problem respecting Jews as Jews, and Israel as Israel.
Pushing Jews into the sea, in the name of the NT or Quran, is the same as any other form of genicide. Have the jews not paid a great price to remain Jews? The truth is, America was founded by Jews [Columbus and all his mapsters were Jews], as a refuge for many - but also to save Christianity - from Europe. This is what Jews escaped from:
'BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS'- Isabela of Spain.
Thanks but no thanks. Please stop saving Jews.
what you have said is very true, you should post more often, the jewish people differ from people because choose you in order to lead all people to him, israel is blessed as a nation and as a people, how is one to know there is a living god, look at the jews, blessed, money, inventions, their family culture and the word of god and there respect an love for their lord, people hate because of envey, israel is a son to god and jerusalem is the apple of gods eye, Jesus is there temple and their lord, their true god in the flesh, an most christians like the jews today are looking for a third temple, he desires mercery not blood sacrafise, rest assured I know he loves israel with all his heart, no matter how bleak it looks for israel, he will watch over them like a mother hen protects her little chicks.

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No, but it was an unusual group.
On the topic of the article, it hits on the point that I was trying to make with SamBee and Bruce a number of times. Aramaic, not Hebrew, was the vernacular at the time of Jesus and would have been the language he spoke. His name would have been Eashoa, not Yeshua. The idea that the Messianics have been throwing around to insert Hebrew names and words into the New Testament willy nilly is ridiculous. The quotations would never have been in Hebrew. As much as I dislike Mel Gibson, he had it right in his movie when he had the actors speak Aramaic.
If you have additional interest you should check out the book by the author of that article. I read it last year. Its the story of his father - an Aramaic speaking Kurdish Jew. Its a fascinating story about Kurds and their exodus to Israel - how they were the hillbillys of the immigrants.

As per Aramaic - I touched upon that in my comment to PaulWV (or was it preacher?) when I asked him if he knew what language Daniel was in. No reply.
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Jan 28, 2013
 
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<quoted text> Former--I am quite sure he would not approve of your resorting to such sharp and cutting invective to make your point, whatever that might be.
HughBe--- How can you be sure given that you don't know Him?
Of course I don't know him. He does not exist.

But I assume that he does for you.

And we all know of the teachings; the Beatitudes; the Golden Rule.

And it seems your actions, your words, do not follow in the proper spirit.

Though I'm sure you can rationalize this with your circuitous meanderings.
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Former--He was a kind and understanding man who was given to "turning the other cheek."
HughBe--- I too am KIND and understanding and I do turn the other cheek BUT not always.
It is when you are truly challenged (and even outraged) that the appropriate response matters.

Anyone can be Christ-like in fair weather.
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Former---And of course there is de facto segregation of houses of worship (and schools and other institutions) simply by virture of geography/where they are located.
HughBe--- At least you have demonstrated some level of INTELLIGENCE. However, your SEGREGATION ejaculation has taken away from the merit of your words as it shows that you don't have a full grasp of your own words.
Wealthy people live with wealthy people and poor people live with poor people.

Your faux indignation cannot undo this simple truth.

You have much to learn my child.

Stay the course.
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JOEL wrote:
Veggies are produce of trees and not the tree or plant itself. Like for example, trimming hair or clipping nails doesn't hurt nor does it kill the human being and besides the lost hair or nails quickly regrow. Similarly, garden produce is taken from the plant without killing the plant and in time fresh produce replaces the picked ones on the same plant. Grains are harvested only after the grass/plant withers at the end of its short life-cycle.
Wrong. Not all plants bare fruit and re-bare fruit. 1-timers for a lot of them.
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The lady doth protest too much, me thinks
No doubt he dances around to show tunes in his shanty.
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Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-47



The Strange Case of HMZA’S Daughter :

Prologue:

Before Islam came to Arabs, the girl child was a neglected in the Arab society. She was looked down and at many times, she was buried at the time of death. If she grew up, she had no right in property of Father, or husband.

When the news of birth of a girl child was brought to the parents, their faces grew large, Quran has drawn this picture in beautiful words like below:

“When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of a) female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from the people, because of the bad news he has had! Shall he retain it on (sustenance and) contempt or bury it in the dust? Ah! What an evil (choice) they decide on”(16:58-61)

Islam’ teaching on Girl Child:

From the very beginning Islam banned this hideous practice, condemning it in the strongest term. Prophet said that “if some one has two daughters or more and he takes care of them and does not give any favorable treatment to boys over them and then marries them off, he shall enter the paradise” Islam gave property and trading rights to women, she was declared as a legal person.

Prophet advised his followers to be kind to their daughters and wives and mothers and sisters. So much so that lot of women improved beyond any imagination in such a short time.

The incident given below happened in year 7 AH, approximately 20 years after prophet had started preaching his mission.

HAMZA and his daughter:

HAMZA was the real uncle of prophet. He was only two years older than the prophet. He was also a suckle brother of prophet as both were given suckle by THUWAIBIYAH, a slave girl of ABU LAHAB. HAMZA accepted Islam in sixth or seventh year of prophet’s mission.

Story of his conversion and his tragic death has already been chronicled in this series earlier. HAMZA was martyred in the battle of OHUD that took place in year 3AH.

He left one daughter at the time of his death, but both mother and child lived in Makkah and the child’s age was between 6-7 years when this story took place.

Prophet’s entry to Makkah:

In year 6 AH prophet came to perform UMRAH, along with 1400 of his followers. He was prevented from doing so by Makkah people and ultimately a treaty was struck between Prophet and Makkah people. This treaty is called Treaty of HUDAIBIAH and is really a mile stone in the history of Islam.

As per terms of the treaty, prophet had to go back to Madina and he could come next year for UMRAH and would be allowed to stay for only 3 days in Makkah. So the prophet came to Makkah in year 7AH with the same 1400 followers, who were refused entry last year.

After performing UMRAH and end of three years, the prophet had mounted his camel to return to Madina, when the daughter of HAMZA came running, saying Uncle, Uncle, what about me?

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Three claimants for HAMZA ‘s daughter:

People saw the strange site that a few years ago, there was no claimant for a girl child, now three claimants stood to take custody of this Girl Child, they were Ali, Cousin of Prophet, JAAFAR, brother of Ali and ZAID, the adopted son of Prophet!!

The case came before prophet and he asked every claimant to present his logic:

A. Ali ‘s Case: Ali said, she is daughter of My uncle and she is my sister

B. JAFAR’ s Case: He said the same thing as Ali had said, and added her KHALA (sister of Child’s Mother) is my wife.

C. ZAID ‘s Case: He said that she is daughter of my brother (by Arab culture of adopted son being like real son).

Prophet decided in favor of ZAFAR saying “KHALA is like mother”(so it shall be in the best interest of the girl child). And he consoled Ali by saying “Ali is from me and I am from Ali) and he consoled ZAID by saying “He is like me in conduct”.

What a strange reversal of Arab society in mere 20 years for a Girl child!!

Don’t you think?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
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What a strange reversal of Arab society in mere 20 years for a Girl child!!
Don’t you think?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
But how was she treated once she was taken in?

"In an attack drawing widespread condemnation, a lone Taliban gunman today approached a crowded school bus in Pakistan's once-volatile Swat region and opened fire. His target: A 14-year-old girl who'd campaigned against the Taliban for the right to go to school.

Television footage showed Malala Yousafzai lying on a stretcher and being airlifted to a military hospital in Peshawar. The gunman approached the bus and asked whether anyone could identify Malala, according to local police.

When one of her schoolmates singled out the teen, the gunman shot her twice, including once in the head. He also shot the girl who identified Malala before fleeing.

Malala is in serious condition, while the other girl's condition is unknown.

A Taliban spokesman has claimed responsibility, referring to her campaign for the right to go to school an "obscenity.

"This was a new chapter of obscenity, and we have to finish this chapter," Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan said in a statement sent to The Associated Press. "We have carried out this attack." "
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But how was she treated once she was taken in?
"In an attack drawing widespread condemnation, a lone Taliban gunman today approached a crowded school bus in Pakistan's once-volatile Swat region and opened fire. His target: A 14-year-old girl who'd campaigned against the Taliban for the right to go to school.
Television footage showed Malala Yousafzai lying on a stretcher and being airlifted to a military hospital in Peshawar. The gunman approached the bus and asked whether anyone could identify Malala, according to local police.
When one of her schoolmates singled out the teen, the gunman shot her twice, including once in the head. He also shot the girl who identified Malala before fleeing.
Malala is in serious condition, while the other girl's condition is unknown.
A Taliban spokesman has claimed responsibility, referring to her campaign for the right to go to school an "obscenity.
"This was a new chapter of obscenity, and we have to finish this chapter," Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan said in a statement sent to The Associated Press. "We have carried out this attack." "
Hamza's daughter was taken care of fully and she grew up and was married to suitable husband.

I fail to see what is the "relation" between Hamza's daughter and the "News clip" you posted.

Another example of "Complex Personality" that you have?

What is your insinuation?
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Hamza's daughter was taken care of fully and she grew up and was married to suitable husband.
I fail to see what is the "relation" between Hamza's daughter and the "News clip" you posted.
Another example of "Complex Personality" that you have?
What is your insinuation?
Are you being obtuse or what?

Trying to kill a 14 year old girl because she wanted to go to school. Barbaric.

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No doubt he dances around to show tunes in his shanty.
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NAJIS OR IMPURE ENTITIES IN ISLAM:

The Quran says that mushriks or polytheists and kafirs or infidels are najis (impure).

Is this logical?

Why is a mushrik or a kafir najis?

Is it because they don't genuflect before the sky-god of Islam who creates from nothing and have their own version of faith.

The following ten things are essentially najis, according to Muhammad:

1) Urine

2) Faeces

3) Semen

4) Dead body

5) Blood

6) Dog

7) Pig

8) Kafir/Infidel

9) Alcoholic liquors

10) The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

We see that the entire list of najis items is linked to external purity and besides here, too, many items listed as impure like blood, dogs and semen are far from being impure.

Surprisingly, despite calling fire impure since this natural element is equated with satan or hell fire, Muhammad failed to list fire an impure thing.

How can fire be satanic since without fire/heat element, life on earth would not have arisen?

If blood or semen is impure then, well, we'll have to do away with these and see the human race perish.

A Muslim offspring born of the semen of his/her father would by this logic be impure in his very constitution despite professing faith in Allah.

If semen is impure, why not sperm or ovum?

If blood is impure then it is a most significant tissue in the body and serves as a critical carrier of dissolved gases, heat and nutrients without which the body would die. If blood is not transfused to a patient who's lost a large volume of blood due to excessive bleeding he's sure to die.

Why're dogs impure? Is it because they bark? LOL.

Muhammad was an idiot.

The real test of impurity - instead of using the misleading word "impure", it'll make better sense to use the word "perversion" or a departure from the normal and presence of damaging/abnormal traits.

Thus, perversions include a person given to filthy habits like necrophilia; rapists; terrorists; murderers; thieves; those born of incestuous/hypogamous birth; possessed people; mentally unstable persons and the like.

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NAJIS OR IMPURE ENTITIES IN ISLAM:

The real test of impurity - instead of using the misleading word "impure", it'll make better sense to use the word "perversion" or a departure from the normal and presence of damaging/abnormal traits.
Thats really funny. And yet you use the incorrect word "impure" when citing the Jewish dietary laws.

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JOEL wrote:
Thus, perversions include a person given to filthy habits like necrophilia; rapists; terrorists; murderers; thieves; those born of incestuous/hypogamous birth; possessed people; mentally unstable persons and the like.
Do you ever worry you that you might cast your net a bit too wide?
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Frijoles wrote:
A real flamer. Just as I thought.

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A real flamer. Just as I thought.
Yeah, but muscles to die for!
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