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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47949 Jan 28, 2013
idgaf wrote:
How is it that at times you are speaking in some crazy language about Adam and your grandmother, then you hop over to monty python followed by plain english hehehhe you are funny rabbeeeeeeeeeee
rabbee: well that only proves, it is not my way of writting. but the subject matter, you are unfamiliar with here in IT.

and that your version, of what is going on. is not the same as G-D'S Version, of what is really happening again. indicating your level, of being deluded. and jndicating the many ways, you have of avoiding the truth. when there is but one way, to tell it. and it is by choice, you have decieved yourself.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#47950 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion is a THEOLOGY.
A TECHNOLOGY would provide one with an efficient means of directly tapping into the source that it is devised to investigate.
The highlights of religion or theology are - mumbo jumbo prayers, head bowing, staying offline on a particular day, fasting, throwing salt over one's shoulder, wearing a specific garment, growing a beard, blowing a horn, counting beads and the like keep you anchored to the same plane of consciousness and energy that one is in.
I hope you got the difference between technology and theology (religion).
Thank you.
I disagree. Religion OFFERS theology (sometimes), but ultimately it is a TECHNOLOGY - it offers a pathway to connection to the divine.

Your mistake is that you are hung up on dogma.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#47951 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Spirituality is the science of the Spirit.
Spirit is a loose term for a particular grade - the Self - of the Supreme Consciousness in manifestation.
Worshipping a rock or a demon can only make you as great as these entities that rank among the lowest or among the most inferior aspects of the Manifestation.
Anyway.
Again - you are hung up on dogma. Take away your focus on the OBJECT of worship and focus instead on the practice, and what that means.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47952 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Who are you to decide as to which is the best or the more efficient technology to be used by somebody other than yourself?
All technologies are not equally constituted, right?

So, all spiritual technologies are not equally efficient.

The efficiency of a spiritual technology would be revealed by its power to investigate the various grades of the Manifestation as well as the Source of the Manifestation through a direct union in consciousness and energy of the subject with the object.

1) So, how does one come into direct contact with the 3rd or 21st planes of cosmic consciousness?

2) What is the spiritual technology you would employ to revive a dead organism?

3) By what spiritual means would you simultaneously manifest in 5 different locations without leaving your seat?

4) What spiritual technology would you use to make your physical body immortal and invincible?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47953 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
This is probably even better - though still a mouthful
basically, according to this view Evolution IS God, or Gods way of learning about himself
http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/mar2010gree...
rabbee: G-D did not command us, to worship HIM for His Own good, but for our own good. and that G-D Knows HIMSELVES, better than any of you know yourselves. for if truly we do not worship G-D, then truly shall we all be self decieved.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47954 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Religion OFFERS theology (sometimes), but ultimately it is a TECHNOLOGY - it offers a pathway to connection to the divine.
Are you sure that religion offers a pathway to connect with the divine?

First, I don;t know what you mean by divine.

If by divine you mean an archetypal being of a particular plane then that constitutes the divine to its worshippers, not to others, who may worship different beings of other planes of the Manifestation.

The ultimate reality is not a being but a unified field of the essentials that constitute the Manifestation on all levels down to gross matter.

A being - divine - is simply one of the many archetypal powers of the various planes of usually the inferior planes of the Manifestation.

Here are some very preliminary questions to mull over if you think that religion is a means or a technology to connect with some being/divine:

1) Explain the process of merging in consciousness and energy with the 2nd plane, 4th plane, 14th plane, 21st plane of the cosmic manifestation.

2) Describe the phenomena perceived on the 4th plane of the cosmic hierarchy.

3) What is meant by nondualism?

4) How is nondualism achieved?

5) What're the characteristic signs of one established in the nondual consciousness?

6) What're the various gradations of nondualism?

7) How does one enter trance?

8) How many kinds of trance states exist?

9) What're the limitations of nondualism?

10) How does realization differ from experience and from transformation?

11) What're the various planes of the Manifestation? Give the details.

12) What is the ultimate reality?

13) How does the self differ from the soul?

14) Where are the stations of the self and soul in the individual?



15) What is meant by being?

16) What're the higher planes that exceed being? Why are they not included in being? How can they be be attained to? How can these superior planes of consciousness and energy be made a part of being? What will be the consequences?

17) How is it possible to stand back from the planes of the Manifestation?

18) What is the fundamental difference between standing back from the Manifestation and coming altogether out of the Manifestation?

19) What could exist when one comes altogether out of the Manifestation? Is this the ultimate reality? Or are they still further states? Explain.

20) What is the difference between a monopolar vibration and a bipolar vibration?

21) Why is dualism a false teaching?

Thank you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47955 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Take away your focus on the OBJECT of worship and focus instead on the practice, and what that means.
Regarding the practice, tell me how it would be practically possible to come into direct contact with the 3rd plane and later with the 18th plane of cosmic consciousness.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47956 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
As Jews, we are familiar to the riddle approach - thats how we study Torah. We are intellectually oriented.
That said, there used to be added complications to unlocking the nondualistic traditions within, for the written aspect of it one had to actually FIND a teacher, be over 30 and married (for grounding) and male(before feminism became popular).
Now, thanks to the 60s,70s and 80s we have a whole generation of teachers out there who are not difficult to find, plus the internet and Amazon, so the stuff is easily available though to study it in the primary text still requires a real background. But things have changed. And ironically, the authors I cited, Michaelson and Green, are probably at the forefront at making it available to the wider Jewish public.
rabbee: although there is no difficulty, in finding a teacher. the difficulty is finding one, who is actually true to G-D. otherwise it is just another lesson, in someone elses vanity.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47957 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Focus instead on the practice and what that means.
So, by now, your years of intense practice must surely have conferred on you dozens of direct experiences in subtle states of consciousness though I don't know how what you call practice would take your consciousness into the higher cosmic planes.

So, if you stress on practice then do answer the following questions that would reveal how deep, intense or meaningful your religious practices are.

A person of intense practice will be familiar via direct experiences with all of the following:

1) Explain the process of merging in consciousness and energy with the 2nd plane, 4th plane, 14th plane, 21st plane of the cosmic manifestation.

2) Describe the phenomena perceived on the 4th plane of the cosmic hierarchy.

3) What is meant by nondualism?

4) How is nondualism achieved?

5) What're the characteristic signs of one established in the nondual consciousness?

6) What're the various gradations of nondualism?

7) How does one enter trance?

8) How many kinds of trance states exist?

9) What're the limitations of nondualism?

10) How does realization differ from experience and from transformation?

11) What're the various planes of the Manifestation? Give the details.

12) What is the ultimate reality?

13) How does the self differ from the soul?

14) Where are the stations of the self and soul in the individual?

15) What is meant by being?

16) What're the higher planes that exceed being? Why are they not included in being? How can they be be attained to? How can these superior planes of consciousness and energy be made a part of being? What will be the consequences?

17) How is it possible to stand back from the planes of the Manifestation?

18) What is the fundamental difference between standing back from the Manifestation and coming altogether out of the Manifestation?

19) What could exist when one comes altogether out of the Manifestation? Is this the ultimate reality? Or are they still further states? Explain.

20) What is the difference between a monopolar vibration and a bipolar vibration?

21) Why is dualism a false teaching?

PS: If you cannot any of the following questions correctly, it would only reveal the hollowness of your religious practices that you claim is a pathway to the divine.

A man of direct mystical experience will be capable of answering all the above questions with ease since his answers will be based on direct experiences.

Thank you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47958 Jan 28, 2013
CORRECTION:

PS: If you cannot ANSWER any of the following questions correctly, it would only reveal the hollowness of your religious practices that you claim is a pathway to the divine.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47959 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
All technologies are not equally constituted, right?
So, all spiritual technologies are not equally efficient.
The efficiency of a spiritual technology would be revealed by its power to investigate the various grades of the Manifestation as well as the Source of the Manifestation through a direct union in consciousness and energy of the subject with the object.
1) So, how does one come into direct contact with the 3rd or 21st planes of cosmic consciousness?
2) What is the spiritual technology you would employ to revive a dead organism?
3) By what spiritual means would you simultaneously manifest in 5 different locations without leaving your seat?
4) What spiritual technology would you use to make your physical body immortal and invincible?
Its a personal thing. One size does not fit all.

regarding your 4 questions, that is not within the realm of spirituality. That is in the realm of parlor tricks (i.e. magic).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47960 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
So, by now, your years of intense practice must surely have conferred on you dozens of direct experiences in subtle states of consciousness though I don't know how what you call practice would take your consciousness into the higher cosmic planes.
.
That's your goal, not mine. You are projecting again.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47961 Jan 28, 2013
BASIC SPIRITUAL QUESTIONS THAT WOULD REVEAL THE DEPTH OF ONE'S SPIRITUAL PRACTICES:

A person of intense spiritual practice will be familiar via direct experiences with all of the following questions:

1) Explain the process of merging in consciousness and energy with the 2nd plane, 4th plane, 14th plane, 21st plane of the cosmic manifestation.

2) Describe the phenomena perceived on the 4th plane of the cosmic hierarchy.

3) What is meant by nondualism?

4) How is nondualism achieved?

5) What're the characteristic signs of one established in the nondual consciousness?

6) What're the various gradations of nondualism?

7) How does one enter trance?

8) How many kinds of trance states exist?

9) What're the limitations of nondualism?

10) How does realization differ from experience and from transformation?

11) What're the various planes of the Manifestation? Give the details.

12) What is the ultimate reality?

13) How does the self differ from the soul?

14) Where are the stations of the self and soul in the individual?

15) What is meant by being?

16) What're the higher planes that exceed being? Why are they not included in being? How can they be be attained to? How can these superior planes of consciousness and energy be made a part of being? What will be the consequences?

17) How is it possible to stand back from the planes of the Manifestation?

18) What is the fundamental difference between standing back from the Manifestation and coming altogether out of the Manifestation?

19) What could exist when one comes altogether out of the Manifestation? Is this the ultimate reality? Or are they still further states? Explain.

20) What is the difference between a monopolar vibration and a bipolar vibration?

21) Why is dualism a false teaching?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47962 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
CORRECTION:
PS: If you cannot ANSWER any of the following questions correctly, it would only reveal the hollowness of your religious practices that you claim is a pathway to the divine.
Thats your metric, not mine.

One that you appear to be using to pump yourself up.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47963 Jan 28, 2013
Joel, I don't see much difference between you and some of the fundamentalist evangelical Christians we get here from time to time.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47964 Jan 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
BASIC SPIRITUAL QUESTIONS THAT WOULD REVEAL THE DEPTH OF ONE'S SPIRITUAL PRACTICES:
I really got to you, didnt I?

Admit it, you are a HUGE fish in a small bowl of your own manifestation.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47965 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

regarding your 4 questions, that is not within the realm of spirituality. That is in the realm of parlor tricks (i.e. magic).
LOL.

So, you cannot answer a single question which shows Judaism in a very poor light. Expected.

Killing one's opponents, sacrificing animals, body mutilations, enslaving weaker people, raping women, sectarianism, stoning to death heretics/disobedient sons, bashing babies to death on rocks, abusing and other such evils are not even religion and form no part of spirituality.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47966 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Joel, I don't see much difference between you and some of the fundamentalist evangelical Christians we get here from time to time.

Papa dear,

Those questions are of a mystical kind and can be correctly answered only by those with sufficient mystical experiences.

I put those elementary questions to you as I just wanted to know how deeply spiritual you are and what the depth of your tall claims about your spiritual practices really are.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting a single correct answer from you.

Why, even Avram, Daniel, Elijah, Moshe or Yeshu wouldn't be capable of answering most of these questions.

Those were very basic questions to test one's spiritual knowledge based on mystical experiences.

Relax.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47967 Jan 28, 2013
DEEP SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES:

1) EXPERIENCING the cosmic wideness.

2) EXPERIENCING the cosmic calm through the union of the psychic with the backdrop cosmic self.

3) EXPERIENCING the Many as aspects of That.

4) EXPERIENCING the Supermind in its deepest Gnostic nature and knowing how it relates to the unified truth-consciousness and causation of the lower planes.

5) EXPERIENCING how the Supermind Connects with the Cosmic Bliss.

6) EXPERIENCING the Supracosmic Self.

and so on...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#47968 Jan 28, 2013
In the ultimate analysis and experience, nondualism is limited....

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