Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[MUQ]

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-44

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH

ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH had earlier accepted Islam. Since he knew how to read and write, prophet had taken him to be one of his scribe. Whenever any new revelation came, prophet used to call him and write it down, since prophet did not know how to read and write.

He went to Madina and was being used for this duty. It so happened that when prophet was dictating one verse of Quran, he stopped just before completing the verse, ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH prompted with some ending words and prophet said “yes, this is how this verse ends”.

This incident caused turbulence in the heart of ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH and he thought that I can also write verses like Quran. He therefore went back from Islam and went back to Makkah boasting that “Mohammad does not know about revelation, it is me, who tell him what to write and he speaks”.

Prophet was extremely pained by this false charge against him….when prophet conquered Makkah, he declared general amnesty but with some exceptions.

ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH’ s name was amongst those who were exempted from this general amnesty. His crime was double, going back on Islam and laying a false charge against the prophet.

ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH came to know about it, and he hid himself. After some days he approached prophet thru some emissary, asking for pardon and saying that he was extremely ashamed of his past conduct.

Using his “Sword of Mercy and Pardon” prophet declared his pardon and he became one of Good Muslims.

During the caliphate of Othman this ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH was one of the renowned Islamic warrior and he conquered many new areas for Islamic army. His record as a Warrior and Just ruler are recorded in Islamic history books.

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-44
Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.
The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”
The Case of : ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH
ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH had earlier accepted Islam. Since he knew how to read and write, prophet had taken him to be one of his scribe. Whenever any new revelation came, prophet used to call him and write it down, since prophet did not know how to read and write.
He went to Madina and was being used for this duty. It so happened that when prophet was dictating one verse of Quran, he stopped just before completing the verse, ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH prompted with some ending words and prophet said “yes, this is how this verse ends”.
This incident caused turbulence in the heart of ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH and he thought that I can also write verses like Quran. He therefore went back from Islam and went back to Makkah boasting that “Mohammad does not know about revelation, it is me, who tell him what to write and he speaks”.
Prophet was extremely pained by this false charge against him….when prophet conquered Makkah, he declared general amnesty but with some exceptions.
ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH’ s name was amongst those who were exempted from this general amnesty. His crime was double, going back on Islam and laying a false charge against the prophet.
ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH came to know about it, and he hid himself. After some days he approached prophet thru some emissary, asking for pardon and saying that he was extremely ashamed of his past conduct.
Using his “Sword of Mercy and Pardon” prophet declared his pardon and he became one of Good Muslims.
During the caliphate of Othman this ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH was one of the renowned Islamic warrior and he conquered many new areas for Islamic army. His record as a Warrior and Just ruler are recorded in Islamic history books.
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

MUQ,

Did you ever watch cartoons as a child?

[former res]

HughBe wrote:

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Former--I know you avoid mingling with the hoi polloi at all costs,
HUghBe---Another confirmation that you know very little. I attend 2 denominations of Christianity. When I started attending the first one MOST of the members were at the level of domestic helpers and I had a high-powered job and a graduate degree. Do you understand BOY? The other church is no different and its members are literally barely literate. Get it BOY?

And no doubt some of your best friends are black people.

Your words do not ring true.

You have said many things in the past indicating your class-conscious thinking, mindset and ways.

Do you really expect this entire history of your own words to now be overlooked? This is your pattern of making statements and then attempting to suddenly disavow your own words.

You forgot that some of us actually remember you and your words.

HughBe wrote:

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Former-- you consider yourself better than your fellow man -
HughBe--- My BOY all men are not created equal. I have been blessed more than most but don't blame me for that. Besides I place a PREMIUM on my INTEGRITY a quality that is very deficient on this forum.

Integrity is not a quality you are known for here on this forum.

(Not saying you don't have it, just saying not the quality that come to mind.)

Instead, I would say the word "bluster" comes to mind.

HughBe wrote:

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Former--but this lack of basic language skills is quite concering to "the many" on this forum.
HughBe--- I have no doubt that it is "concering" to the legions but it is not to the wise. And BOY, I would be a JACKASS like you if I did not know that you are capable of spelling the word in quotation marks.

Focusing on a typo only points up your own weak position. Is that really what you want to focus on?

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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And no doubt some of your best friends are black people.

of interest might be this (I also seem to recollect Hughbe claiming to have some jewish blood):
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jamaican-jews-se...

“We’ve sown our seeds wide and far,” said Joseph, 67, whose family is among Jamaica’s newer arrivals, having come to the island from Damascus, Syria, in the 20th century....

...Joseph also cautions that there may be some racial bias in many Jamaican claims to Jewish ancestry.

“It is important to be white” or have light skin, he said of the residents of a country that is 90 percent black.“When they tell you that their great-great-grandfather was Jewish, they’re saying they’re white.”

[Cult of Reason]

Frijoles wrote:

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of interest might be this (I also seem to recollect Hughbe claiming to have some jewish blood):
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jamaican-jews-se...
“We’ve sown our seeds wide and far,” said Joseph, 67, whose family is among Jamaica’s newer arrivals, having come to the island from Damascus, Syria, in the 20th century....
...Joseph also cautions that there may be some racial bias in many Jamaican claims to Jewish ancestry.
“It is important to be white” or have light skin, he said of the residents of a country that is 90 percent black.“When they tell you that their great-great-grandfather was Jewish, they’re saying they’re white.”

What next for Huggy, skin bleaching?

http://tinyurl.com/aq62czy

[dirt]

The day God comes back to town, he will look at all these people squabbling about him and stamp out the lot of them. The rest of us will then breathe a collective sigh of relief. Life is hard enough without man made conflicts to make it worse. Im grateful for what I have been given and the beauty of his works are just awesome-Thank you God.

[Frijoles]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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What next for Huggy, skin bleaching?
http://tinyurl.com/aq62czy

Just sayin'

[Frijoles]

dirt wrote:

The day God comes back to town, he will look at all these people squabbling about him and stamp out the lot of them. The rest of us will then breathe a collective sigh of relief. Life is hard enough without man made conflicts to make it worse. Im grateful for what I have been given and the beauty of his works are just awesome-Thank you God.

You are quite welcome, son.

[Cult of Reason]

dirt wrote:

The day God comes back to town, he will look at all these people squabbling about him and stamp out the lot of them. The rest of us will then breathe a collective sigh of relief. Life is hard enough without man made conflicts to make it worse. Im grateful for what I have been given and the beauty of his works are just awesome-Thank you God.

Too late. You just squabbled. See you in hell.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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HUghBe---Another confirmation that you know very little. I attend 2 denominations of Christianity. When I started attending the first one MOST of the members were at the level of domestic helpers and I had a high-powered job and a graduate degree. Do you understand BOY?

How can use of the term "high-powered job" NOT be construed as class conscious?

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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of interest might be this (I also seem to recollect Hughbe claiming to have some jewish blood):
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jamaican-jews-se...
“We’ve sown our seeds wide and far,” said Joseph, 67, whose family is among Jamaica’s newer arrivals, having come to the island from Damascus, Syria, in the 20th century....
...Joseph also cautions that there may be some racial bias in many Jamaican claims to Jewish ancestry.
“It is important to be white” or have light skin, he said of the residents of a country that is 90 percent black.“When they tell you that their great-great-grandfather was Jewish, they’re saying they’re white.”

Self-loathing X3:

1. His own gayness.

2. His own Jewishness.

3. His own blackness.

How sad is that?

[Cult of Reason]

Frijoles wrote:

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How can use of the term "high-powered job" NOT be construed as class conscious?

What's wrong with working at a high power electrical plant (probably getting paid good union wages)?

[former res]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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What next for Huggy, skin bleaching?
http://tinyurl.com/aq62czy

I bet he keeps a good supply onhand.

[Frijoles]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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What's wrong with working at a high power electrical plant (probably getting paid good union wages)?

Thats really funny. I envisioned a "high-powered" job in Jamaica as meaning that his work place HAD power.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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Self-loathing X3:
1. His own gayness.
2. His own Jewishness.
3. His own blackness.
How sad is that?

In all fairness, I wasn't accusing him of referring to his Jewish ethnicity as a surrogate for racial embarrassment. I just thought the idea that others did was very interesting.

(Especially since many Jews from the middle east are dark skinned, and then there are those from Africa...)

[Cult of Reason]

Frijoles wrote:

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Thats really funny. I envisioned a "high-powered" job in Jamaica as meaning that his work place HAD power.

LOL....Good one.

[Cult of Reason]

Frijoles wrote:

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In all fairness, I wasn't accusing him of referring to his Jewish ethnicity as a surrogate for racial embarrassment. I just thought the idea that others did was very interesting.
(Especially since many Jews from the middle east are dark skinned, and then there are those from Africa...)

There might be an element of truth in it, though. In many countries, Christianity is a religions of the poor, so in an attempt to distance himself from the "lower classes", he attempted to reconnect with his Jewish roots, only to be rejected because of his Christian beliefs. So now he is on a vengeful tirade against Rabbis and all things Jewish.

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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In all fairness, I wasn't accusing him of referring to his Jewish ethnicity as a surrogate for racial embarrassment. I just thought the idea that others did was very interesting.
(Especially since many Jews from the middle east are dark skinned, and then there are those from Africa...)

I would never endeavor to speak for you, my Rabbi.

His statements speak clearly enough for me.

As my Italian-American coworkers used to say, "He thinks who the hell he is!"

[Frijoles]

Cult of Reason wrote:

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There might be an element of truth in it, though. In many countries, Christianity is a religions of the poor, so in an attempt to distance himself from the "lower classes", he attempted to reconnect with his Jewish roots, only to be rejected because of his Christian beliefs. So now he is on a vengeful tirade against Rabbis and all things Jewish.

Reading the original article I linked to, it sounds like the Jamaican Jewish community has been limping along for quite some time, and has lost a lot of (or never had) its traditional culture, or more significantly its expression of that culture (they may still carry it around in their heads).

So it might be that Huggy has never been exposed to real traditional Jewish culture. Which would mean he is really clueless when he does interact with the real Jews there, making rejection more surprising from his side.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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I would never endeavor to speak for you, my Rabbi.
His statements speak clearly enough for me.
As my Italian-American coworkers used to say, "He thinks who the hell he is!"

That all said, I'd rather be in the Caribbean right now, even with all the crazy zealots like him running around (don't drop the soap), than outside here in the 10 degrees.

I am honored to be your Rabbi. Just please note I don't do weddings, bar mitzvahs, or funerals.