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Jan 17, 2013
 
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This attempt to insult Darwin by categorizing him as Jewish surprised me because I thought everyone always knew Darwin was a member of the tribe. I attended Hebrew school in preparation for my bar mitzvah, and the classroom featured pictures of our top-three historical figures: Abraham, Moses and Darwin.(There was also a small photograph of Paul Newman, who was half-Jewish.) We learned how Darwin received a fantastic bar mitzvah gift of a five-year ocean cruise on the HMS Beagle. I got savings bonds.
Though common knowledge in the Jewish community, Darwin's Judaic background seems to be a shock to many non-Jews. I have only just learned, for example, that most readers of Darwin's many publications do not know that the versions with which they are familiar are highly edited. The great evolutionist wrote in a very particular Jewish style, which his Victorian publisher then revised into highbrow 19th-century English....
For example, Darwin's printed autobiography includes these lines about the captain of the Beagle:Fitzroy's temper was a most unfortunate one. It was usually worst in the early morning, and with his eagle eye he could generally detect something amiss about the ship, and was then unsparing in his blame. But Darwin's original version, written on cocktail napkins during meetings of the Shrewsbury Beth Israel synagogue's building committee, reads:Don't get me started on Fitzroy and his meshuggaas. This meshuggener had a bed with only a wrong side because that's what he always woke up on. Always looking for tsuris. What a schmuck.
The Voyage of the Beagle, Darwin's account of the cruise, includes this passage:The different islands to a considerable extent are inhabited by a different set of beings. My attention was first called to this fact by the Vice-Governor, Mr. Lawson, declaring that the tortoises differed from the different islands, and that he could with certainty tell from which island any one was brought. The original writing, scratched out on sheets listing the ship's leisure activities, reads:I listened to Lawson's whole spiel, and he says if you show him a turtle, abracadabra, he'll tell you its shtetl. I buy it.
Perhaps the most famous passage in all of Darwinia is at the end of the first edition of On the Origin of Species:There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
In his manuscript for the book, which had been entitled L'Chaim: The Whole Megillah, Darwin concludes:Such nachas I get when I wander around and) look at turtles and birds, let me tell you. It is not a waste of time that could be spent doing something more productive. What, you think I schlepped up mountains in South America glomming insects for my health? And so the planet spins no matter what plans you had for it, big shot. And you start with a few things that are maybe a little mieskeit, but then, be patient. What, you have somewhere to be? So you wait until genug iz genug, and, guess what, you wind up with new things, some of which are really nice, with a shayna punim. Why that should be a problem, I don't know.
Well they say good things come to those who wait.
How long do you think man will have to wait, before the see anything evolve?
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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Unfortunately, it's not just the uneducated. There are a host of educated people that choose to remain willfully ignorant.
Here's a quote from House representative Paul Broun (R-GA) who is <gasp> a current member of the House Science Committee:
"All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And its lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
Paul B. Is right.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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Hughbe still hasnt lost his stupid.
How can you be so entirly blind and utterly dumb is still beyond me.
page 2131 directly under the post where you refuted my statement.(rather not refuted since you did not offer any factual corroborating evidence with your claim, nor gave in the simple meaning of the word any alternative. So you were just playing kindergarten again.)
You find two posts by Frijoles that point you exactly to the wiki source and quoted study.
Furthermore on page 2132 i stated and quoted from the wiki site given by Frijoles:
In case HB missed it:
In late 2009, the journal Radiocarbon announced agreement on the INTCAL09 standard, which extends a more accurate calibration curve to 50,000 years.[23][24] The results of research on varves in Lake Suigetsu, Japan, which was announced in 2012, realised this aim. "In most cases, the radiocarbon levels deduced from marine and other records have not been too far wrong. However, having a truly terrestrial record gives us better resolution and confidence in radiocarbon dating," said Bronk Ramsey. "It also allows us to look at the differences between the atmosphere and oceans and study the implications for our understanding of the marine environment as part of the global carbon cycle."[25]
We sometimes wonder how people can be so smart, yet blind.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
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So if the arms that you have are branded unlawful you are going to keep them and be a law breaker?
I'm not aware of anyone branding handguns unlawful. Let's stick to the facts. The proposed restrictions are on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. As usual, your paranoia is getting the best of you.

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Yes I realize this is what you and many others "believe ".
Good god, man, get a clue.

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And we also all know that he is an industrious plucker.
For it is written:
A serpent am I, yet on land I would die.
Born through fire, I'm lost in winds and muddied in water.
Completed I can make you dead, but currently I have no head.
From your veins I flow, from essence did I grow.
I am cursed with but one eye. And from haystacks I will spy.
I am water that brings fire to your heart.
I can get you almost anything you want, but with no one to accept me, I am worthless.

I demonstrate faith in a dark god.
I pluck the denizens of the sea, to serve a salty sailor's tea.

Remove my yellow skin, and dine on me within.
Sticks and stones may break me, exercise may ache me.
The blunt force I provide is surprisingly constructive.
The slowest of assassins, I'm at your home on your blade or in your drink.
Though I'm light, I cannot illuminate the dark.
Though my friends fly high,I was always destined to protect.
Without me, a deathslinger is merely a gorajo with a stick.

While many call me mould, some call me savoury.
Without me you cannot survive / would perish, but fill a room with me and you would surely die.
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'HeeBees jeew bees' is also reported coming from his mouth.
Which scared us greatly.
And almost made us convert to the godfather with the milky breasts and his son the milkcup.

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Paul B. Is right.
Prove it.

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We sometimes wonder how people can be so smart, yet blind.
Can you eloborate on that statement.
As in what the heck are you imp lying.

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R it makes you realise that fundies are more scared of science than of hell.

And the strange thing is that they are always entirely up to date on hell.
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You should read more about what the scientific method is about. Science is based upon evidence, not beliefs.
Religion, on the other hand, is not based on evidence, at least not on the objectively measured and reproducible sort required to conduct science. Religion is based on faith. Faith by definition is the continued act of acceptance of an idea without evidence.
Its not a question so much of which box which enterprise should fit in. Its a question of which method is appropriate for each subject matter. The God concept, by nature, is not amenable to scientific method. Evolutionary and other historical processes, on the other hand, are.
Science can deepen ones religious faith. However, faith does little to contribute to the enterprise of science other than on a motivational level. Faith has nothing to offer on the substantial level due to its inability to meet the rules of evidence standard that is necessary to conduct science.
A religious person can be a scientist as long as they follow the scientific rules of inquiry.
Many scientific facts are being questioned on various venues and subjects. Science has a hard time explaining a lot of things. Faith is being questioned on many levels and throughout the world. What is true? What is made up? How do we know that we were not misled from the beginning? The snake. The apple. The garde. Both are interesting subjects. Not one can claim to be totally right. One requires theories that may or may not be correct, the other requires blind faith that may or may not be justified. People seem to require things like this. Why are we here? Who cares? What is our purpose? To poop? To breath? To live? To reproduce? To die? Who created us? God? Nature? Gods? Our parents? Their parents? Adam and Eve? Aliens? Where did we come from? The ground? The air? The water? The fire? The ether? Where will we go? The ground? The water? The air? The ether? It's all about what you believe, whether it is true or not is irrelevant. The truth is none of us will ever know more than what we read in fairytales of floods, gardens, sacrifice and supreme beings or scientific theories.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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Prove it.
Prove he is wrong.
Religion is a crazy thing. There are so many that say they have the truth, including the religion of evolution.
Yet none can be 100% proven to the masses. Most only know what they are taught.
I was not taught about God being real or not.
I was met by this God and given a choice -Heaven or Hell.
Thank God I had enough sense to go the right way.

All I can tell you, is that I had a wife who prayed for me for 14 years, and how I was lead to read a bible -not book of mormans or watch tower magazine, but the bible.

The more I read, the more it spoke to my whole life, and explained what happened to me that night.
I know I keep going back to that night, but when the greatest thing in the entire world happens to a person, they don't forget.

There is not enough proof for any religion.
Just within the "so called christian " faith.
Every thing under the sun, is disputted by different ones.
One says worship on sun
One on sat
Lords supper
Baptizms
You name it.

Scientist on both side of tbe isle fight over evolution v creation.
Both sides say they are the right ones.
One thing I know for certain, and not just a truth for me, but it applies to all.

With all of these folks saying they have the TRUTH!
they cannot all be right.

God changed everything within me, and as you know I'm nothing special at all. There are many things I can't explain. One is why He did what He did for a guy like me.

I don't need to respond anymore here. I've said what I came to say, so unless my mind changes I will leave you guys to your 50 dollar words.:)
That's not a slur by the way. Most on here are very very smart, but so was Solomon.

He was called the wisest man to ever live.
He was very educated, very wealthy, had enough women, that if he spent each day with a different one, it would be several years before the women got tbeir day again.
yet at the end -he counted it all dung.without God.
To die without God, is a horrible thing.

All I can say is whatever you trust in as truth, it should be without one doubt.
I have no doubt whatsoever about God being real.
God bless.

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Well they say good things come to those who wait.
How long do you think man will have to wait, before the see anything evolve?
I cant answer that.

What I can answer is the time it takes on this forum to watch a man DE-Evolve. 5 minutes.

I respectfully submit to the court Exhibit A - Hughbe.

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Many scientific facts are being questioned on various venues and subjects. Science has a hard time explaining a lot of things. Faith is being questioned on many levels and throughout the world. What is true? What is made up? How do we know that we were not misled from the beginning? The snake. The apple. The garde. Both are interesting subjects. Not one can claim to be totally right. One requires theories that may or may not be correct, the other requires blind faith that may or may not be justified. People seem to require things like this. Why are we here? Who cares? What is our purpose? To poop? To breath? To live? To reproduce? To die? Who created us? God? Nature? Gods? Our parents? Their parents? Adam and Eve? Aliens? Where did we come from? The ground? The air? The water? The fire? The ether? Where will we go? The ground? The water? The air? The ether? It's all about what you believe, whether it is true or not is irrelevant. The truth is none of us will ever know more than what we read in fairytales of floods, gardens, sacrifice and supreme beings or scientific theories.
Questions like "Why are we here? Who cares? What is our purpose?" are ABSOLUTELY within the province of Religion and the (secular) Humanities, not science.

Questions regarding facts are within the realm of science.

You need to understand the differences in focuses and which arena to apply them. You are almost there.

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OOPS - I thought I was replying to GTOWN
"You need to understand the differences in focuses and which arena to apply them. You are almost there."

IDGAF- from what I can tell you are about already there

GTOWN - you need to study what I just posted

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Prove he is wrong.
Religion is a crazy thing. There are so many that say they have the truth, including the religion of evolution.
Yet none can be 100% proven to the masses. Most only know what they are taught.
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Do you read the posts?

"religion of evolution"?

I am not even going to bother to respond again. Except to note that MAAT had agood point - it appears that you are more afraid of education than anything else.

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Jan 18, 2013
 
Hey Hughbe,

It is common knowledge among us Jews that Prime Minister Portia Simpson-Miller is Jewish.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZkyC5FKeXDQ/TWUYKmP...
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It was SATIRE
only an antisemitic imp like you would be fooled
ONLY an ENEMY of the Jewish people like YOU would call me ant-Semitic.
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MAAT wrote:
Hughbe still hasnt lost his stupid.
How can you be so entirly blind and utterly dumb is still beyond me.
page 2131 directly under the post where you refuted my statement.(rather not refuted since you did not offer any factual corroborating evidence with your claim, nor gave in the simple meaning of the word any alternative. So you were just playing kindergarten again.)
You find two posts by Frijoles that point you exactly to the wiki source and quoted study.
Furthermore on page 2132 i stated and quoted from the wiki site given by Frijoles:
In case HB missed it:
In late 2009, the journal Radiocarbon announced agreement on the INTCAL09 standard, which extends a more accurate calibration curve to 50,000 years.[23][24] The results of research on varves in Lake Suigetsu, Japan, which was announced in 2012, realised this aim. "In most cases, the radiocarbon levels deduced from marine and other records have not been too far wrong. However, having a truly terrestrial record gives us better resolution and confidence in radiocarbon dating," said Bronk Ramsey. "It also allows us to look at the differences between the atmosphere and oceans and study the implications for our understanding of the marine environment as part of the global carbon cycle."[25]
I see a pattern to your brilliance Maat.

FIRST example-
Maat---C14 is reliable upto 50,000 years

HughBe--- INCORRECT

Maat---As usual you missed the crucial word: reliable.
So none will doubt the findings.

HughBe--- And you made such a conclusion from the ONLY word that I used i.e. INCORRECT? If so, I regard it as brilliant, my dear Maat.

SECOND example--

Maat---Hughbe still hasnt lost his stupid.
How can you be so entirly blind and utterly dumb is still beyond me.

HughBe-- Has it ever occurred to you that my posts are influenced by what I have read and NOT on posts that I have NOT read?
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Fighting words are not protected, that is not the words themselves but in the context of the conversation or statement.
"Fighting words are not protected..."

Kindly point this out in the Constitution.
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HughBe wrote:
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Former--Though many of your fellow citizens do??
HughBe--- The circles that I move in don't speak like that and frankly I don't know of the many that you speak of.
I didn't make this up.

This is how many Jamaicans speak.

Esp the fellow whom I made a smokey purchase from
on 7 mile beach back in the 90s.

"Respect, mon!"

You cannot now pretend this is not a common speech pattern
in your island nation.

you risk losing credibility...
HughBe wrote:
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Former--I hope your coronay arteries are clean, clear and patent.
Free-flowing, that is.
HughBe--- Your goodwill is appreciated
And sincere.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--BTW, what makes a Huggybear tick?
HughBE--- A female bear bending over. I am also excited about the scriptures.
As long as you don't say altar boys/cub scouts/ etc.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--You call yourself God?
HughBe--- NEVER
Clearly I misunderstood.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Rule #1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
HughBE-- Trust me before me there are no other gods.
Former--Sit in the corner for 10 minutes please.
HughBe-- I am actually in a corner right now and typing.
You are absolved of any wrong-doing, whether real or imagined.

Go in peace.

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