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absolutely incorrect
rabbee: do you have an origional or authentic scroll, to verify your claim? but evidence suggests, that all official scriptures, were written in tetragrammen eevreet (almost completely without vowels). as it is in, The Athenticated Torah Scrolls.
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Do what? What action for "us" are you speaking?
I am more interested in:
And this shall be peace: when the Assyrian shall come into our land, and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight princes among men.
And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod with the keen-edged sword; and he shall deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our border.
Mikah 5

1.Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

Precept:

MattithYahu 27

27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Yahusha into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.

30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.

2.But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Precept:

MattithYahu 2

1.Now when Yahusha was born in Bethlehem of Judah in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

6. And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a ruler, that shall rule my people Israel.

3.Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

Precept:

Mikah 4:10

10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

4. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of Yahuah, in the majesty of the name of Yahuah his Power; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

Precept:

YashaYahu 40:10-11

10. Behold, the Master Yahuah will come with strong hand(Yahusha), and his arm(Yahusha)shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

11. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

5.And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

Precept:

YashaYahu 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Strong El, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

YashaYahu 7

7. Now therefore, behold, Yahuah bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

8. And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.

6. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

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Nahum 2:11-13

Genesis 10:8-12

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rabbee: do you have an origional or authentic scroll, to verify your claim? but evidence suggests, that all official scriptures, were written in tetragrammen eevreet (almost completely without vowels). as it is in, The Athenticated Torah Scrolls.
Tense, or what passes for tense in Hebrew, is dependent on prefixes and suffixes, not vowels. Inflection and imperative can be related to vowels, however.
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And, considering that the tense of the passage is "past tense", and Isaiah wrote the passage prior to 1 CE, how does this passage relate to someone born after the passage was written?
Who is YashaYahu speaking of Eric? Who do you say bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors?

YashaYahu 53

1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of Yahuah revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and Yahuah hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased Yahuah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Yahuah shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

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SamBee that is Isaiah 53: Jesus name in Hebrew is
Yeshua Hamashia
Isaiah 53

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Footnote: In reading the Prophets, they will skip over and not read Isaiah 53, for it shows the Christ to be a suffering Christ to pay for our sins once and for all. The next time Christ appears will be with a sword, and to put the Devil into chains for 1000 years. During that time the lamb will lie down with the lion, and there will be peace on earth, not before that. Also if you read in Revelations 144,000 of the tribes of Israel will convert the entire world to the Messiah
Jesus Christ, and the Devil will be released for the final battle before there will be a new earth,and a new heaven, and the final judgment.
Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus Come
Dominus Vobiscum
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Tense, or what passes for tense in Hebrew, is dependent on prefixes and suffixes, not vowels. Inflection and imperative can be related to vowels, however.
rabbee: sorry but suffixes and prefixes, determine gender, prepositions, and pronouns. they do not determine, past, present, and future tense. and it is on very rare occasions, that vowels are included in TheTorah. resulting in TheTorah, being written in omnitense. since TheTorah is past, present, and future tense at all times. TheTorah is unceasing, in it's application here in IT forever and always. and what happened the last two times gave this to all of you, and your grandmother of all. is actually happening again, without change. cause the whole world is still, commiting the exact same sins.

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O shyte , here we go again.
52 is connected to 53 by means of the vav, meaning and.
So if 52 is all about Israel anthropomorphized as she, then it continues in 53.
For understanding what 52 is about you need to go back a bit further.

Any failed messiah does not figure whatsoever.
All this annoying pick and choose just looses the proper context.
And you end up with Allah being jesus.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: sorry but suffixes and prefixes, determine gender, prepositions, and pronouns. they do not determine, past, present, and future tense. and it is on very rare occasions, that vowels are included in TheTorah. resulting in TheTorah, being written in omnitense. since TheTorah is past, present, and future tense at all times. TheTorah is unceasing, in it's application here in IT forever and always. and what happened the last two times gave this to all of you, and your grandmother of all. is actually happening again, without change. cause the whole world is still, commiting the exact same sins.
rabbee: oh and i left out suffixes, indicate singular and plural forms also.
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Bruser wrote:
SamBee that is Isaiah 53: Jesus name in Hebrew is
Yeshua Hamashia
Isaiah 53
Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Footnote: In reading the Prophets, they will skip over and not read Isaiah 53, for it shows the Christ to be a suffering Christ to pay for our sins once and for all. The next time Christ appears will be with a sword, and to put the Devil into chains for 1000 years. During that time the lamb will lie down with the lion, and there will be peace on earth, not before that. Also if you read in Revelations 144,000 of the tribes of Israel will convert the entire world to the Messiah
Jesus Christ, and the Devil will be released for the final battle before there will be a new earth,and a new heaven, and the final judgment.
Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus Come
Dominus Vobiscum
Shalum, His name is Yahusha todah for the reply.

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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: sorry but suffixes and prefixes, determine gender, prepositions, and pronouns. they do not determine, past, present, and future tense. and it is on very rare occasions, that vowels are included in TheTorah. resulting in TheTorah, being written in omnitense. since TheTorah is past, present, and future tense at all times. TheTorah is unceasing, in it's application here in IT forever and always. and what happened the last two times gave this to all of you, and your grandmother of all. is actually happening again, without change. cause the whole world is still, commiting the exact same sins.
With all due respect rabbee, you are the only one here permanently in the present tense.

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What exactly do you mean by truth?
Truth is God
God created all that is.
God created man with free will
God created evil, becouse without it, then free will cannot exsist.
Man choses evil every time.
God is Holy and Sinless.
God cannot allow sinful man in His Home.
God made a way, that man can come into His Home.
Man rejects God.
God loves man.
If man gets to a point where he agrees with God, then God and man can reason together.

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The word "spirit" came into Middle English via Old French. The distinction between soul and spirit also developed in the Abrahamic religions: Arabic nafs (&#1606;&#1601;&#1 587;) opposite rú&#295; (&#1585;&#1608;&#1 581;); Hebrew neshama (&#1504;&#1456;&#1 513;&#1464;&#1473; &#1502;&#1464;&#14 92; n&#601;šâmâh) or nephesh (in Hebrew neshama comes from the root NŠM or "breath") opposite ruach (&#1512;&#1493;&#1 468;&#1495;&#1463; rűa&#295;).(Note, however, that in Semitic just as in Indo-European, this dichotomy has not always been as neat historically as it has come to be taken over a long period of development: Both &#1504;&#1462;&#14 51;&#1508;&#1462;& #1513;&#1473; (root &#1504;&#1508;&#15 13;&#1473;) and &#1512;&#1493;&#14 68;&#1495;&#1463; (root &#1512;&#1493;&#14 95;), as well as cognate words in various Semitic languages, including Arabic, also preserve meanings involving misc. air phenomena: "breath", "wind", and even "odour".[5][6][7])

Just to set some things straight.
neshama would be light/lively/g-d shining through, where ruah would have the ancient greek comparable meaning of lifespark/fire which makes us lively/enthousiastic that is also comparable to ancient sumerian depictions of a pregnant women as having fire in the womb, or ancient negev depictions along a similar thought of a man with fire above him that was the first presentation of YA.
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Logic Fail #1: You talk about the existence of "absolute truth" (also known as Universality in philosophical circles) but show no correlation between that statement and the existence of a god. I too believe that absolute truth can exist, but in the form of logic and mathematics, not in the existence of an imaginary being.
Logic Fail #2: You talk about absolute truth, yet fail to describe an objective yard stick for ascertaining such truth, instead relying on subjective experience ("...if a man truly wants to know the One True God, the that man can call out within himself").
Your arguments are strictly emotion-based and filled with anecdotes of your "coming to Jesus" experience. That is fine if it helped get you through a rough spot, but your personal experience has no relevance to the topic of "absolute truth".
3 men were traveling together, and wanted to save money, so the decided to stay in a motel room together.
They ask the motel clerk, how much are rooms.
The clerk said 30 dollars, so each man gives the clerk 10 dollars each.

Later the motel manager asked the clerk -have you sold any rooms? The clerk says yes, I sold 1 for 30 dollars.
The manager said, but rooms are only 25 dollars, so please take these 5 one's and give them back to the men.

On the way to the room, the clerk begin to think (the men don't know how much I am to give them, so the clerk takes 2 of the dollar bills, and puts them in his pocket. When he gets to the room, he explains how he overcharged the men, and handed each man back 1 dollar.

Now, instead of each man being out 10 dollars each for the room, they are only out 9 dollars each.

Yet 9 times 3 = 27 + the 2 dollars the clerk stoled only comes to 29, so what happened to the other dollar?

Mans ruler can be incorrect many times.
New homes are not as straight as you might think.

Yes -man can build some amazing things, and even more amazing to me, is how whatever you see -homes, buildings, cell phones, computers, anything. It all came out of the dirt.
Gods dirt.
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MAAT wrote:
The word "spirit" came into Middle English via Old French. The distinction between soul and spirit also developed in the Abrahamic religions: Arabic nafs (&#1606;&#1601;&#1 587;) opposite rú&#295; (&#1585;&#1608;&#1 581;); Hebrew neshama (&#1504;&#1456;&#1 513;&#1464;&#1473; &#1502;&#1464;&#14 92; n&#601;šâmâh) or nephesh (in Hebrew neshama comes from the root NŠM or "breath") opposite ruach (&#1512;&#1493;&#1 468;&#1495;&#1463; rűa&#295;).(Note, however, that in Semitic just as in Indo-European, this dichotomy has not always been as neat historically as it has come to be taken over a long period of development: Both &#1504;&#1462;&#14 51;&#1508;&#1462;& #1513;&#1473; (root &#1504;&#1508;&#15 13;&#1473;) and &#1512;&#1493;&#14 68;&#1495;&#1463; (root &#1512;&#1493;&#14 95;), as well as cognate words in various Semitic languages, including Arabic, also preserve meanings involving misc. air phenomena: "breath", "wind", and even "odour".[5][6][7])
Just to set some things straight.
neshama would be light/lively/g-d shining through, where ruah would have the ancient greek comparable meaning of lifespark/fire which makes us lively/enthousiastic that is also comparable to ancient sumerian depictions of a pregnant women as having fire in the womb, or ancient negev depictions along a similar thought of a man with fire above him that was the first presentation of YA.
Maat--Just to set some things straight.

HughBe-- a step in the right direction, Maat.
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With all due respect rabbee, you are the only one here permanently in the present tense.
Keeps you young!
rabbee: nah! i am past tense, presently tense, and future tense. i was here all the other times, G-D gave this story, i am here in IT, and i shall be in it when G-D gives it again. the world keeps screwing it up, and i always have do do it again. i am going to have to do this again, with or without all of you and your grandmother of all. same as last time.
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Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-37

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : CAPTIVES OF HAWAZIN

This story also relates to the battle of HUNAIN, which we discussed above. The Tribe of HAWAZIN consisted of many sub clans, amongst which were Banu SAAD, who had given suckle to prophet when he was infant.

Prophet stayed for five to six years with these people during his infancy and his early childhood.

After battle was over, and enemy scattered, many captives were taken from the battle field along with many camels, sheep and goats etc.

Prophet waited for some days, for enemy tribes to come and talk to him about their animals and captives. When no one came he distributed them amongst Muslims.

HAWAZIN people came after some days and wanted the prophet to free their slaves….they selected a very eloquent person amongst them to present their case before prophet.

He said “O Mohammad amongst the captives and many of those who gave you suckle and their daughters and sisters, If we had given suckle to Kings of Yemen and HIRA, they would have treated us differently. Please have mercy on us and set them free…(and words of the same type”.

The prophet was moved on hearing this sermon and he asked Muslims to free their slaves without taking any thing from them. So many hundreds of slaves were set free on this command of prophet.

This was the “Sword of Mercy and Compassion” which prophet used to enslave people of HAWAZIN tribe for ever!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
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Frijoles wrote:
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ahhhh....you are on to something
seriously - there are some amusing and/or interesting conversations to be had here, but sometime it takes a bit of winnowing....and perserverance...
and none of it has much to do with the topic in the narrow sense.
I've been amused, entertained and at times educated with the broad scope of topics most of which don't have much to do with the main topic. A silly question, some of these are interesting topics, why not give them their own forum? I'm sure many do not participate here cause they see the Messianic Jews blah blah and don't care about the topic. The cast of characters doesn't leave you wanting hehehhe.
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3 men were traveling together, and wanted to save money, so the decided to stay in a motel room together.
They ask the motel clerk, how much are rooms.
The clerk said 30 dollars, so each man gives the clerk 10 dollars each.
Later the motel manager asked the clerk -have you sold any rooms? The clerk says yes, I sold 1 for 30 dollars.
The manager said, but rooms are only 25 dollars, so please take these 5 one's and give them back to the men.
On the way to the room, the clerk begin to think (the men don't know how much I am to give them, so the clerk takes 2 of the dollar bills, and puts them in his pocket. When he gets to the room, he explains how he overcharged the men, and handed each man back 1 dollar.
Now, instead of each man being out 10 dollars each for the room, they are only out 9 dollars each.
Yet 9 times 3 = 27 + the 2 dollars the clerk stoled only comes to 29, so what happened to the other dollar?
Mans ruler can be incorrect many times.
New homes are not as straight as you might think.
Yes -man can build some amazing things, and even more amazing to me, is how whatever you see -homes, buildings, cell phones, computers, anything. It all came out of the dirt.
Gods dirt.
The $30 is accounted for. The hotel got $25, the clerk takes $2, and the men get a $3 refund.

25+2+3 =30

If your point of this story is to show your inability to reason through a logic problem, you've succeeded ;-).

The points in my prior post stand.

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