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kebasi

Singapore, Singapore

#46924 Jan 13, 2013
pls visit youtube.com/dajjal video islam bangladesh
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#46925 Jan 13, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you would indeed jump without testing the waters.
It's still seen as an apology for Islam, using material of the 19 and beginning of the 20th century.
Snouck Gurgronje to name one of the giants.
It does indeed not fit your politically correct and adjusted version. We see that new ( relatively as in Tabari edited material does not feature.) and in the 18th and 19th century Mecca was still a hummock, so much unspoiled, as well as the people.
But the sources are Islamic!
So read and think twice before commenting. You are most probably the one with the edited version.
All these so called Western Giants are like little pygmies when compared with average Muslim writers.

These people have no sense about the "value and standing" of the text they are using.

The books Like Tabari and Ibn Ishaq and likes of have very little authority in Islamic literature.

And these books are the "Best and Most Oft Quoted books in writings of these Western Giants"!!

They even do not understand how any text is to be evaluated before you can use it as evidence.

For these Western Giants the "least authentic reports" are the "most reliable one"....and Prof. Margoliuth accepts it.

The "Only" criterion for these giants to accept any report as "authentic" is that it should be scandalous and it should present Prophet and his companions in some "grey area"!!

They say "if it was not true, why Muslim writers would even mention it"!!

And them little pygmies like you consider the work of these Giant pygmies as of highest standard and quote and re-quote, till you are blue in the face!!

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#46926 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not know the criticism system of Islam, otherwise you would not say like that.
Muslims are very great critic of their own writers. If we use Islamic standards, NONE of the best known Western writers could even come to the below average Muslim writers.
You presume too much.
At least they give critique after thoroughly scrutinizing a text.
But you proof to be a stubborn non reader and avoid any modernism hence the typification 'fits'.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#46927 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
All these so called Western Giants are like little pygmies when compared with average Muslim writers.
These people have no sense about the "value and standing" of the text they are using.
The books Like Tabari and Ibn Ishaq and likes of have very little authority in Islamic literature.
And these books are the "Best and Most Oft Quoted books in writings of these Western Giants"!!
They even do not understand how any text is to be evaluated before you can use it as evidence.
For these Western Giants the "least authentic reports" are the "most reliable one"....and Prof. Margoliuth accepts it.
The "Only" criterion for these giants to accept any report as "authentic" is that it should be scandalous and it should present Prophet and his companions in some "grey area"!!
They say "if it was not true, why Muslim writers would even mention it"!!
And them little pygmies like you consider the work of these Giant pygmies as of highest standard and quote and re-quote, till you are blue in the face!!
Point established since if you read it you would see exactly what islamic sources are used. Only the earliest. And we would see mecca before it exploded in the town it is now.
So you are finding fault with those now inconvenient truths.

Months ago i showed you the redacting of the talk Mohammad had with the 'Ethiopeans' and ' christian Yemenites' and how that narrative differed in several versions to make the prophet seem ever more glorious, with every retelling.
And that older versions were discarded in favour of the new flattering fabulation.

There also comes a point where your sunstained objections simply become an anti-western attitude.
Shooting the messenger as a matter of fact, since the sources are Islamic.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#46928 Jan 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Nice, it's nephesh for breakfast.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46929 Jan 13, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not know the criticism system of Islam, otherwise you would not say like that.
Muslims are very great critic of their own writers. If we use Islamic standards, NONE of the best known Western writers could even come to the below average Muslim writers.
You have a very interesting view of how the world works. Lets put it to a test.

What happens when an Islamic writer says something bad about the prophet?

What happens when a Christian writer says something bad about Jesus?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46933 Jan 13, 2013
IS RENUNCIATION A SIGN OF SUPERIORITY?

SWAMI VIVEKANANDA:

"Renunciation is the real beginning of religion. Yet it is true that renunciation is the only path to religion. Renounce and give up."

..........

JOEL:

Renunciation is the way of the defeatist and the road to contraction - give up anything that tempts, give up everything that one cannot surmount, give up that which is seemingly unattainable.

Oh, Swamiji, thou hast preached such negativism under whose impact millions of able young men and women renounced the richness of existence and retreated to the forests and caves to practice meditation thinking that by doing so they'd be free of temptation and flaws. The mediations caused their imperfect physical, vital and psychological natures to fall silent for some time and thinking that they'd conquered the difficulties they became complacent and egoistic like you.

The meditations lead them to perceive some the inner lights and subtle sounds in trance states and they mistook that for perfection of some sort but staying in the subtle consciousness for too long or causing it to descend into the lower vehicles is not possible for those lacking the innate higher capacity and for those who are indoctrinated by the likes of you into believing that escapism, suppression and experiencing a little of the inner lights and sounds constitutes perfection.

The suppressed perverse instincts awaken time and again and the adverse vital beings take every opportunity to stimulate these suppressed perverse instincts of the lower nature with the result being that the poor things - your disciples - fail to make good progress in the spiritual life and like you their egoism and unregenerate lower natures repeatedly drag them down.

The true yogi preaches neither renunciation nor indulgence.

Detachment is the key word that should thoroughly color the thoughts, words and deeds of the aspirant from the beginning while living in the midst of the multitude of the beneficial as well as perverse currents in society.

The aspiration should be so intense that a higher discrimination sprouts that in one cursory glance it spontaneously makes the person sensitive to the pros and cons of every aspect of life.

Besides, instead of shunning or suppressing defects or running away from temptations and difficulties, one should cultivate equanimity while living in their midst and the will to conquer all difficulties and transform or eliminate every perversion should serve as the goal.

To do this, it must be understood that a unifying force like the supramental or something even higher should be made to descend into the mental, vital, physical and subconscient layers of being to work out the difficulties and seek to transform them into equivalents of the unified truth-consciousness.

The unification of contradictions leads one into a state of equilibrium in which none of the contradictions can have their free play but are subservient to the superior unifying force that bears down on them to convert them into pliant instruments of its superior consciousness and energy.

Lack of harmony or the lack of unification among the individual planes with their inherent contradictions and limitations leads to a clash among these as each aspect tries to dominate the play of the forces and this give rise to ups and downs in life - a constant swinging between the extremes or contradictions. But, when the opposites are unified and drawn into a superior poise of a stato-dynamic equilibrium then none of these can express their inner propensities and so a new law that exceeds the dualism of the opposites comes into the picture and perfect harmony becomes a permanent feature of being.

This is the true meaning of conquest and perfection.

Renunciation, suppression and escapism do not erase personality defects nor do they vanquish the difficulties nor do they confer perfection.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46935 Jan 13, 2013
JOEL wrote:
The true yogi preaches neither renunciation nor indulgence.
Detachment is the key word
That gets the Friojole's Seal of Approval

http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/files/2012...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46936 Jan 13, 2013
QUESTION:

Why are the coverings of manholes circular or round and not square in shape?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46938 Jan 13, 2013
CORRECTION:

The unification of contradictions leads one into a state of equilibrium in which none of the contradictions can have ITS free play but IS subservient to the superior unifying force that bears down on them to convert them into pliant instruments of its superior consciousness and energy.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46939 Jan 13, 2013
Good night.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46940 Jan 13, 2013
JOEL wrote:
QUESTION:
Why are the coverings of manholes circular or round and not square in shape?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhole_cover

The question of why manhole covers are typically round was made famous by Microsoft when they began asking it as a job-interview question.[6][7] Originally meant as a psychological assessment of how one approaches a question with more than one correct answer, the problem has produced a number of alternate explanations, from the pragmatic ("Manhole covers are round because manholes are round.")[6] to the philosophical.

Reasons for the shape include:

A round manhole cover cannot fall through its circular opening, whereas a square manhole cover may fall in if it were inserted diagonally in the hole.(A Reuleaux triangle or other curve of constant width would also serve this purpose, but round covers are much easier to manufacture. The existence of a "lip" holding up the lid means that the underlying hole is smaller than the cover, so that other shapes might suffice.)

Round tubes are the strongest and most material-efficient shape against the compression of the earth around them, and so it is natural that the cover of a round tube assume a circular shape.
The bearing surfaces of manhole frames and covers are machined to assure flatness and prevent them from becoming dislodged by traffic. Round castings are much easier to machine using a lathe.
Circular covers do not need to be rotated to align with the manhole.

A round manhole cover can be more easily moved by being rolled.

A round manhole cover can be easily locked in place with a quarter turn (as is done in countries like France). They are then hard to open unless you are authorised and have a special tool. Also then they do not have to be made so heavy - traffic passing over them cannot lift them up by suction.

Other manhole shapes can be found, usually squares or rectangles. Nashua, New Hampshire may be unique in the U.S. for having triangular manhole covers that point in the direction of the underlying flow. The city is phasing out the triangles, which were made by a local foundry, because they are not large enough to meet modern safety standards and a manufacturer for larger triangles cannot be found.[8] Some manhole covers in Hamilton, Bermuda are triangular, and hinged. Some triangular water-main covers also exist in San Francisco.[9]
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#46941 Jan 13, 2013
JOEL wrote:
QUESTION:
Why are the coverings of manholes circular or round and not square in shape?
To conform with the extruded cylindrical pipe beneath.

Plus, it means that you don't have to turn the cover to fit the opening as it is universally symmetrical.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46943 Jan 13, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
To conform with the extruded cylindrical pipe beneath.
Plus, it means that you don't have to turn the cover to fit the opening as it is universally symmetrical.
This is a sexist conversation and I want nothing of it

The term we use now is "peopleholes".
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#46944 Jan 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a sexist conversation and I want nothing of it
The term we use now is "peopleholes".
I thought it was utility accesses.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46945 Jan 13, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought it was utility accesses.
I didnt want to confuse everyone here, but where I live the man/people/utility holes are not necessarily round.

Fiber optic, gas, electrical, and other conduits are often rectangular. Stormsewer and regular sewer tend to be round.

We have evolved passed the notion of utility as being sewer.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46946 Jan 13, 2013
DUALISM, COMPLEMENTARITY, NONDUALISM, HOLON & UNIFIED FIELD:

"Evidence obtained under different experimental conditions cannot be comprehended within a single picture, but must be regarded as complementary in the sense that only the totality of the phenomena exhausts the possible information about the objects."

- Niels Bohr

COMMENTS:

1) Dualism merges into complementarity and complementarity must necessarily merge in nondualism in which the various effects are simply viewed as so many manifested aspects of one reality - a unified field of consciousness-energy in which information on every aspect exists in involved state with an innate causal mechanism as part of the system.

2) Besides, each aspect is differentiated only on the surface, while at a deeper or a more fundamental level all the possible aspects that comprise the cosmos exist in involved form.

3) A holon is something that is simultaneously a whole and a part. It makes sense to consider every event a holon.

4) Dissolve the observer-observed divide and experience the reality by becoming that. Then there's no I and no You, no here and no there, no past, no present and no future, no subjective and no objective, no external and no internal and no he and no she. Only one reality.

Yeah !

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46947 Jan 13, 2013
WHO is doing the posting?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#46948 Jan 13, 2013
(please dont take that as a negative comment..)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46949 Jan 13, 2013
QUESTION:

Consider the wave-particle duality.

Measurements like the one involving the double-slit experiment can demonstrate one or the other, but not both, phenomena at a particular moment.

The principle of complementarity explains this as being due to the very nature of the measuring devices used.

A measuring device may be designed to investigate or demonstrate either the particle or wave aspects, but the demonstration of one necessarily precludes the possibility of simultaneously demonstrating the other, because the object being measured is unavoidably affected by the measurement.

It is impossible to design a measuring device that demonstrates both phenomena simultaneously not because of lack of creativity on the part of the experimenter, but simply because such a device is literally inconceivable.

1) Why is this so? Why can't both aspects of one object - its wave and particulate nature - be investigated or demonstrated simultaneously?

2) Is the measuring instrument part of the event being observed/measured? An omnijective context? Can the observer be independent of the observed?

NOTE: Bohr implies that it is not possible to regard objects governed by quantum mechanics as having intrinsic properties independent of determination with a measuring device.

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