Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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BlandOatmeal

Eugene, OR

#46519 Jan 3, 2013
This is a test.
BlandOatmeal

Eugene, OR

#46520 Jan 3, 2013
Wow! I got on, without any of that login/password stuff!

I stumbled upon this thread, while looking for news. Just some comments on the OP:

1. Israel doesn't just persecute Messianics. Moshe Feiglin just got arrested for "bowing" on the Temple Mount. Is that meshuggah, or what?

2. All these people who want to evangelize the Jews... I think it's from God. Evangelically-oriented Christians have been going OUT into the world for centuries, seeking to evangelize "unreached" people. Ithink a major motivation for that, is frustration at trying to preach the Bible to Christians. Not only did they generally not listen and get offended, but some people got burned at the stake for trying it. Better to get cooked for supper by cannibal savages: There's a better benefit-to-cost ration. So now, they've stopped going OUT, and are coming BACK HOME to Jerusalem. It's sort of poetic. On the other hand, I think a lot of Christians are going to Israel to preach, because the Jews are actually MORE receptive and LESS persecuting than the alternative. Can I see a show of hands, for missionaries who want to go to Somalia? Timbuktoo? Waziristan? Jews give Christians a hard time; but after a while, the Christians get wise, and realize that's just the Jewish way of saying "Hello" -- They do it to everyone, especially each other!

3. It beats me, what a "Messianic" is. I've been labelled one by "Christian Forums", with the added embellishment that I'm "Non-Trinitarian", which bars me from theological discussions. I'm not Jewish, and my mother's not Jewish. I avoid truly treif foods (It beats me, for instance, how one can boil a turkey in its mother's milk), and I celebrate Jewish holidays instead of Christian ones, because that's what the followers of Jesus did. How that makes me a "Jew for Jesus", though, is beyond me. By the way, I'm not interested in converting Jews to anything. I honestly don't care. Burn in hell, if you want to -- Do you think I want to go to heaven, and spend eternity with a bunch of people kvetching because they don't want to be there? Who do the Jews take us for?

I guess that's it. Let's see if this gets censored.

Shalom shalom :-)
BlandOatmeal

Eugene, OR

#46521 Jan 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
Notice and Demand for action to secure
a Writ of Quo Warranto
Now, please understand the effect of such
a document:
1.“Quo Warranto” is a Latin phrase that
essentially asks the question:“By what
authority?”
2. The right of Quo Warranto is an original
remedial right of the people (see: the 9th
Amendment).
3. The right of Quo Warranto is unavoidable
when properly applied at law as follows:
a. Anyone can raise a Quo Warranto challenge
to the Attorney General (hereinafter “AG”);
b. Once so raised, the AG has the right to
choose to either prosecute the matter or
not;
c. If the AG chooses not to prosecute, the
party raising the cause retains the right to
prosecute as an independent prosecutor for
the AG’s office; with the full authority of the
AG’s office to do so;
d. The prosecutor merely raises the contest in
court, the Defendant must then prove Quo
Warranto does not apply or the only
remedy available to the court is, issue a
Writ of Quo Warranto for removal from
office.
4. Because this case is brought against Barrack
Obama’s candidacy, contesting that he does
not lawfully qualify as Candidate for the
Office of U.S. President, he cannot have
been lawfully elected to the President
Elect’s Office;
5. Which means, Barrack Obama will be
compelled to prove that he qualifies as a
“natural born Citizen” in accord with the
Constitution’s requirement at Article 2,§ 1,
clause 5; and,
6. In accord with the Law of Nations,
regardless of Obama’s birthplace, the
Supreme Court has consistently indicated
the constitutional phrase,“natural born
Citizen”, is a child naturally born of parents
both of whom are citizens of the United
States.
Therefore, given the fact that Barrack
Obama’s birth certificate (posted on the
White House website) shows his father was
not a U.S. citizen, Barrack Obama cannot
qualify as a candidate for the office of U.S.
President Elect; accordingly, Quo Warranto
applies and this contest will remove Obama
from the office of President Elect because
he cannot qualify as a lawful candidate.
Hi, Voluntarist.

I'm new here, and seeking to interract a bit. I haven't heard about the birth certificate since Romney got nominated. What happened since then, I believe, is that the United States was successfully invaded by a foreign entity:

http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/238421/Mou...

I'm afraid that America as we knew it has quite disappeared. "Quo Warranto" has become "What it is!" or something. Perhaps those of us who still remember what the US was like under Farmer Jones (from a different movie) can all do aliyah to Israel. There doesn't seem to be much room in Israel, though -- people are getting arrested for building homes, adding bathrooms to their homes, and, worst of all, it seems, LIVING in homes. It makes America under Quo Warranto Obama seem like the land of the free!

Back on the subject of the OP, are you pre-trib, post-trib or Jewish? Just trying to make small talk.

Shalom shalom :-)
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#46522 Jan 3, 2013
Eric wrote:
What happened to MUQ's posts from Sunday? There were some from early Sunday that I didn't have time to respond and now they are gone.
Is there some conspiracy? Some people "trying at my back" to get them removed?

I also do not have a copy of the replies I wrote, may be you repeat the questions, and we can re-create the response.
Eric

Roselle, IL

#46523 Jan 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there some conspiracy? Some people "trying at my back" to get them removed?
I also do not have a copy of the replies I wrote, may be you repeat the questions, and we can re-create the response.
I was just upset that someone was trying to censor you. You and I don't share the same opinions, but I back your right to express your opinions.

No one should be deprived of their right to communicate.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46531 Jan 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there some conspiracy? Some people "trying at my back" to get them removed?
I also do not have a copy of the replies I wrote, may be you repeat the questions, and we can re-create the response.
Dont let it get to your head. Chances are, the "censorship" was a just random act from a Topix algorithim. If they really wanted you banned, you would be banned.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46532 Jan 4, 2013
I also dont think the missing posts were only MUQ. There were too many missing for just one person.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46534 Jan 4, 2013
DIVORCE IS ABNORMAL & DESTROYS THE INDIVIDUAL'S FINER INSTINCTS:

Matt 5:32 I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Mohammed abrogated this prohibition on marrying a divorced woman.

COMMENTS:

Jesus is right in this instance, while Muhammad, as usual, is wrong.

This instance shows that Muhammad had none of the deeper insights into the subtler laws upholding being and becoming.

Divorce is against the laws of being and becoming as it destroys the finer psychological, vital, emotional and physical instincts in the divorced couple especially in the woman on account of her delicate bio-psychic nature.

A divorced woman may re-marry only if she cannot support herself financially but she should never give birth to more children in her second relationship as kids born to divorcees usually turn out cruel, cold hearted and disturbed (aside from being born of hypogamous, inbred or incestuous stock if the marital union is of such abnormal type).
Eric

Roselle, IL

#46535 Jan 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont let it get to your head. Chances are, the "censorship" was a just random act from a Topix algorithim. If they really wanted you banned, you would be banned.
If it were Muhammad doing the censorship, MUQ would have no head.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#46536 Jan 4, 2013
JESUS WAS ONLY PARTIALLY INFORMED ABOUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY DIVORCE:

1) Jesus considered divorce a perversion ("adultery") from a moral perspective but evidently he knew nothing about the bio-psychic damage caused to the bio-psychic force fields of the divorced couple especially the harm caused to the woman on account of her delicate bio-psychic nature.

2) Jesus was clueless about the bio-psychic ill-effects in progeny born to re-married divorcees.

3) Muhammad saw everything from a superficial socio-economic viewpoint which is why he permitted re-marriage of divorced women.

Oh, these ignorant prophets!
Eric

Roselle, IL

#46537 Jan 4, 2013
JOEL wrote:
JESUS WAS ONLY PARTIALLY INFORMED ABOUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY DIVORCE:
1) Jesus considered divorce a perversion ("adultery") from a moral perspective but evidently he knew nothing about the bio-psychic damage caused to the bio-psychic force fields of the divorced couple especially the harm caused to the woman on account of her delicate bio-psychic nature.
2) Jesus was clueless about the bio-psychic ill-effects in progeny born to re-married divorcees.
3) Muhammad saw everything from a superficial socio-economic viewpoint which is why he permitted re-marriage of divorced women.
Oh, these ignorant prophets!
I thought that under your new world order marriage would be obsolete because reproduction will be without sex. No marriage; no divorce. No kids to screw up. So what the prophets knew is irrelevant under your scheme of things.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46539 Jan 4, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
If it were Muhammad doing the censorship, MUQ would have no head.
Peace be unto him
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#46541 Jan 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
There were secondary devices in the building, virtually.impossible for the box truck to cause such damage, bomb squad was there BEFORE the explosion, surveilance tapes just happen to be unavailable.
If no tapes, then how do you know bomb squad was there first?

If you also have questions about Building 7, you are in the same company as Rosie O'Donnell.

99% of structural engineers who have looked at all this would not agree with you.

Do you know better than them?
Voluntarist

United States

#46542 Jan 4, 2013
BlandOatmeal wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, Voluntarist.
I'm new here, and seeking to interract a bit. I haven't heard about the birth certificate since Romney got nominated. What happened since then, I believe, is that the United States was successfully invaded by a foreign entity:
http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/238421/Mou...
I'm afraid that America as we knew it has quite disappeared. "Quo Warranto" has become "What it is!" or something. Perhaps those of us who still remember what the US was like under Farmer Jones (from a different movie) can all do aliyah to Israel. There doesn't seem to be much room in Israel, though -- people are getting arrested for building homes, adding bathrooms to their homes, and, worst of all, it seems, LIVING in homes. It makes America under Quo Warranto Obama seem like the land of the free!
Back on the subject of the OP, are you pre-trib, post-trib or Jewish? Just trying to make small talk.
Shalom shalom :-)
I have decided not to consider one religion or another until im on deaths doorstep. Then i plan on uploading whatever belief system into my brain in a matter of minutes.
Its not about birth certificates or where the con man was born it is about the admitted fact that his daddy was not a natural born citizen, its about qualifications.
Voluntarist

United States

#46543 Jan 4, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
If no tapes, then how do you know bomb squad was there first?
If you also have questions about Building 7, you are in the same company as Rosie O'Donnell.
99% of structural engineers who have looked at all this would not agree with you.
Do you know better than them?
You are confusing 9/11 with okc, the bomb squad was there ahead of time according to eye witnesses.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46544 Jan 4, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
If no tapes, then how do you know bomb squad was there first?
If you also have questions about Building 7, you are in the same company as Rosie O'Donnell.
99% of structural engineers who have looked at all this would not agree with you.
Do you know better than them?
Bažant, Zden&#283;k P.; Verdure, Mathieu (March 2007). "Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions". Journal of Engineering Mechanics 133 (3): 308–319. doi:10.1061/(ASCE)0733-9399(20 07)133:3(308). Archived from the original on 2007-08-09. http://web.archive.org/web/20070809030224/htt... . Retrieved 2007-08-22.

"As generally accepted by the community of specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering (though not by a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives), the failure scenario was as follows [...]" (continues with a four-part scenario of progressive structural failure).
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46545 Jan 4, 2013
http://web.archive.org/web/20070809030224/htt...

Volunteerist

Do you know better than these experts?

If so, I look forward to a concise and specific critique WITHIN the paradigm of the universally accepted scientific method, footnoted or otherwise referenced DIRECTLY to whatever points in this article you might disagree with.

Thank you in advance.

:)

Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46546 Jan 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
You are confusing 9/11 with okc, the bomb squad was there ahead of time according to eye witnesses.
Eye witnesses are hearsay without validation to back them up.

Where are the tapes of the bombsquad? Where is the transportation log? Emergency Radio intercepts?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#46547 Jan 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
You are confusing 9/11 with okc, the bomb squad was there ahead of time according to eye witnesses.
No confusion.

Note I wrote "also." As in "in addition to."

Do you deny having suspicions over building 7?

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

Law enforecement knows this fact very well.
Interesting guy

Brooklyn, NY

#46548 Jan 4, 2013
Why does people of the Jewish faith in NYC try so hard to separate? I live in Brooklyn and feel uncomfortable seeing so much racial and religious exclusion from ppl of the Jewish faith. This should be discussed.

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