Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[Eric]

HughBe wrote:

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plus IDENTIFY the speaker in verse 2.

see, 1:13

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Having said this, the INABILITY of your rabbis to ACCURATELY translate basic words such as "AND" explains why I suggested to you that you produce a more accurate set of scriptures than those produced by your rabbis.

Get it?
.

Twice you have used the word YOUR.

Judaism is not like catholicism. We dont have a pope.

Furthermore, I doubt Eric is even a Chabadsker.

If you have doubt about what a "Jewish" translation is, do what we do. Dont translate it. Read it instead.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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HughBe---Who are the Lubavitchers?
Why would they have Christians scriptures?
Frijoles---They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible.Its NOT the same as officially titled version that MY posting referred to
HughBe--- 1. Did you see MY first question? Answer it now.
2. I know that they don't have Christian scriptures and my question tells anyone with basic comprehension skills that. Eric made a "MISTAKE" notwithstanding I told him my source. Did it also miss you, dear?
3. So like Eric you were WRONG in an inexplicable way. Cut down on your desire to defend nonsense and INCREASE your desire to learn as well as your appetite for TRUTH.

Not only was Eric WRONG, and not only did he admit he was WRONG, but his "mistake" had NOTHING to do with whatver point you were trying to make.

Moving on...

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?
Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.

Perhaps some day you will read our posts.

Moving on, again...

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
1. If Jews had followed Jesus then that “scene at Sanhedrin” would not have taken place and not that 2000 years of hate and hatred between Jews and Christians.
Worship of Jesus started much later when Jews rejected him and Paul got Romans into his trap and follow his teachings. If majority of Jews had accepted Jesus, this situation would not have come.
2. Isreal is “much smaller” than most countries in the world, it is fighting a war of survival since its inception, so the people there are used to “another type” of violence.
You are right, I do not want to read the “propaganda items” that are major part of your media.

1. What more is there to "accept'? We agree with most of his teachings - primarily because what he was teaching in the way of ethics was basic Judaism of the time.

2. That tiny little insignificant country has produced more Nobel Laurettes per capita and more start ups per capita than ANY other place on earth.

How are those Saudi scientists doing? Both of them?

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
2. Isreal is “much smaller” than most countries in the world, it is fighting a war of survival since its inception, so the people there are used to “another type” of violence.
You are right, I do not want to read the “propaganda items” that are major part of your media.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

TEL AVIV—It is hard not to be impressed by the sheer width and depth of the Israeli start-up community.

For a country of just under eight million people, Israel punches considerably above its tech weight......the country has the most scientists and technicians in the world per capita, and the largest number of start-ups per capita.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/166799a0-fdda-11e1-...

Israel: an innovation gem, in Europe’s backyard

By Michael Bloch, Jonathan Kolodny and Dana Maor

Israel is a first-tier innovation hub, second in the world only to Silicon Valley in its concentration of start-up companies.

[idgaf]

If you want programmers, you send your work to israel. They are on top of that.

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Not only was Eric WRONG, and not only did he admit he was WRONG, but his "mistake" had NOTHING to do with whatver point you were trying to make.
Moving on...

FOCUS, my boy.

Who are the Lubavitchers?

[HughBe]

Eric wrote:

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see, 1:13

explain Zachariah 14:1-6 USING your "AND" in verse 2 plus IDENTIFY the speaker in verse 2.

I take it that the IDENTITY of the speaker is "1:13", in your mind, but it is not in my mind so please name the Speaker or name the object that is speaking IN VERSE 2.

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Perhaps some day you will read our posts.
Moving on, again...

Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?

Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Twice you have used the word YOUR.
Judaism is not like catholicism. We dont have a pope.
Furthermore, I doubt Eric is even a Chabadsker.
If you have doubt about what a "Jewish" translation is, do what we do. Dont translate it. Read it instead.

Frijoles---If you have doubt about what a "Jewish" translation is, do what WE do. Dont translate it. Read it instead

HughBe--- my dear F..... your following words make absolutely no sense, as usual, "do what WE do. Dont translate it".

Tell me did "WE" translate the The Complete Jewish Bible found on the Chabad site or was it translated by the non-WE?

You speak like a truly deceived brainless fool.

Explain Zechariah 14 in YOUR Tanach, if you are capable.

[HughBe]

Culti dear, please address the post below.

Cult---It is also an abomination to trim your beard.

HughBe--- Please cite scripture to support your statement.
Truthfully, I have not done the research BUT your words make no sense.

[MUQ]

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-19

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : ZAHIR BIN HARAM, The Bedouin

ZAHIR was one of the Bedouin, who used to visit the prophet in Median from Time to time. He used to bring the prophet gifts from desert like Ghee and Cheese etc. and prophet used to give him in return gifts of Dates or other things from Medina.

Prophet Used to say “That ZAHIR is our Bedouin friend and we are his City Friend”

Once he came to Medina, but prophet was not at home, so he went to the market place, when prophet came home and was informed of his visit, prophet went to market place in his search.

He found ZAHIR , full with sweat and smelling as Bedouins so, prophet did not mind his condition and hugged him from the behind. ZAHIR was surprised, since he did not know, who grabbed him, but when he turned and saw the prophet, he was extremely happy.

Prophet in jest, who will buy this slave?

ZAHIR said “O Prophet of Allah, I am worthless in my present attire and condition”

“No you are not worthless, You are very valuable in the eyes of Allah and His Messenger” Prophet Replied

The prophet enslaved ZAHIR forever with his “Sword of Kindness and Mercy”!


The Case of : ADDAS, a slave from Taif

This is when prophet went to Taif , to preach his message there after he got discouraged from the people of Makkah from accepting Islam.

Taif was a hilly place, near Makkah which was known for its cold climate and fruits, many rich people of Makkah had purchased land and property in Taif, and had their gardens there.

The Prophet’ visit was not successful and he suffered such harshness from people of Taif, which he had not encountered in his 10 or 11 year mission in Makkah.

They not only refused to listen to his message, but even drove him out of the city and asked children to even throw pebbles at him.

Hungry, thirty and dejected, the Prophet took refuge in one of the garden of UTBAH , the Son of RABEAH, A Makkan chief. UTBAH had not accepted Islam, but he was moved my seeing the prophet in this condition.

He sent his slave ADDAS, with some grapes to the prophet. He was a Christian slave at that time, When he gave prophet these fruits, he took the Name of Allah before eating.

ADDAS, was surprised, he asked prophet, what did you say, these people do not take the name of Allah before eating?

Prophet asked “You are from which city and what is your religion?”

ADDAS, told that he was Christian and he is from Nineveh,“The city of my brother prophet Jonas the Son of MATTA” prophet said.

ADDAS, was taken aback, How do you know about Jonas the Son of MATTA? Prophet told that he was a prophet of God and I am also a prophet of God.

On this ADDAS, respected prophet and kissed his hands and feet, UTBAH was watching this scene from window,“This slave is gone from our hand , he thought”

When ADDAS, returned back, he asked him what happened, ADDAS, told that this man is a prophet of God, he told me such a thing which only a prophet of God can know.

“Your religion is better than his religion” was all that UTBAH could say at that moment.

So it was the “Sword of truth and Allah’ remembrance” by which the Prophet enslaved ADDAS, for ever!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

[saviorself]

MUQ wrote:

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If Jews would have followed Jesus, they would have ruled over whole of Europe, Americas, Australia and New Zealand...
But they missed the bus for the umpteenth time.
Many Nations do the same mistake in their national lives.
There are some decisions which make tremendous effects in life of nations.
Rejecting Jesus was such a tragedy in the national life of Jews. This is what I can say as an "Unbiased" bystander!!

Yes, but this doesn't mean the Islamic nations have "accepted" Him, either. Some very specific teachings Jesus had to hand down not to any Muslim on the planet during His time (as there were none) Islamic nations today absolutely defy to the the extent that they codify into the law of the land in their nations, Jesus hated and despised slave-traders and money-exchangers, the capitol oof the Islamic world of Saudi Arabia has PLENTY of both even to this (they didn't even bother to outlaw the slave-trade officially until 1976 and both the Haj and international monterary exchange due to it reap ENORMOUS benefits for the Saudi economy, not to mention the modern-day equivelent of exploiting and traffic human labor at cent-rate hours on the dollar from India, China, the Phillipines, and anywhere else on the planet corporations who do business there can exploit, it is so rife the U.N. commission on human rights expressly warns anyone seeking employment from those companies who recruit overseas to NOT GO THERE, as well as the local governments of all those nations, so that is a pretty seriously corrupt-but-profitable segment of the population exploiting a LOT of people if it draws the attention of both the U.N. Human Rights commission AND the local governments who complain about it (and yes, Muq, I've been there and I've met with and talked to these people who get locked into these 10-year "hospitality-service " contracts your slavers offer from the Phillipines and Malaysia and the like, and yes, they are slaves when they get there. They're properly terrified like slaves should be, but they are most definately slaves.) And adultery and backward-teachings? Jesus really only had one thing to say about that when put directly to the test by His mob. The first thing out of His mouth was "Where's the man?" To paraphrase the resst of that encounter, with no man offered properly to answer the charge as well (in accordance with the law, which virtually no Islamic country on the planet follows, statistically-speaking, women stoned for adultery in Islamic countries versus men stoned for it come in at an average of NINETY to ONE,) the very next thing He said was "o.k., hippocrites, you wanted to test me as a Rabbi, and I will answer. No. I am without sin but I will not stone her, you may, provided you yoourself are sinless. No? No takers? O.k. ONE of you. No? Didn't think so." When Jesus returns again, as your book states as much as mine, this time around He will very ANGRILY clarify what apparently was not crystal-clear to the thick-headed, I don't care what they call themselves. Don't engage in slavery. Don't be a money-changer. Don't judge others if their actions cause you no harm in any way. Mind your own business, be a good persson, and leave people alone. This is not a message Jesus brought to anyone but His OWN people at the time, but the point of saying it to begin with was "because if you don't, my Father will call you wicked again, and put you through another time of Noah."

[saviorself]

Frijoles wrote:

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Good post.
Truth is, I remember you posting your view back in the old days (good sense of consistency!), therefore I always considered you real. Not just because of your live and let live attitude, but because you think....Wish more people would be reflective here :)
I am not phobic about other religious practices and beliefs. They pose no threat to my self concept, or my group concept either.
I do react to those who actively work to dissolve my self or group concept. I dont see that as a phobia, I see that as a rational response. And I am not shy about correcting falsehoods about my religion. These have been my rules of engagement here.

I like that. I enjoy correcting false assumptions about my religion as well, possibly to the extent that I alienate people. But, it's my faith, so, I prefer committing the act of the correction itself and the alienation that will inevitably occur to the continued false "assumption" that people I may actually know, respect, or even love may labor under. And no, I do not consider myself any sort of "Theologian" or "Learned Person," no delusions of granduer and not even particularily well-read (though, I do admit, I research a LOT. I have always enjoyed exposing myself to what I personally consider "the Truth," and in doing so I have had to force myself at first, and then rapidly devour, even those seemingly conflicting points-of-contention that various atheistic family members have had of the New Testament Bible.) It's not always comfortable, but it most definately is rewarding, probably the most rewarding thing a person can engage in on a fundamental "what really matters in life" level. Am I right? I hope so. If I'm not, well, even the atheists I talk to, they were atheists when I started so they will be anyway when I'm gone. At least I tried. If they were right it doesn't matter, If I am maybe it didn't matter either because I got it wrong, and if neither of us are right well... we'll see what happens. The most prominent minister of the American Methodist Church even admitted he had no real answers, only the Bible, and Martin Luther answered the question of faith to begin with much more famously than that. On a lighter note, 12-21-2012 came and went with neither whimper nor bang. Completely as expected. I don't know about you, but I went through that day exactly as I have the last for 4 years straight now... up early to water and feed my cattle. Open the chicken coup, get the eggs. Feed the pigs. Fix the fence, spend 4 hours dedicated to technologically revive what is probably a dead industry that will probably be just another money-pit because it is defunct for a reason because there is no "technological" upgrade to something that apparently defies technological or common-sense solutions to making it economically feasible, and then shutting everything back down again before going to bed, completely confident of waking up the next morning to a situation that had not changed. I was not disappointed. But, it did get me thinking, when I had time to think about it. 2012 was a good year for nothing else if it was NOT a good year for some drama. Obama got re-elected, Harold Camping was wrong twice, the Mayans proved to be jackasses, and there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of people still hanging out inexplicably in various holes-in-grounds or caves with stored-up food supplies and such if the History Channel and National Geographic and even MSNBC were watched by the lunatic-fringe over the last twelve months. There SHOULD be some humor that ANYBODY, Muslim, Jew, Christian, Mormon, whatever you want to call yourself, should be able to take from that.

[JOEL]

Nobel Prizes are rigged by powerful lobbies with vested interests.

[HughBe]

JOEL wrote:

Nobel Prizes are rigged by powerful lobbies with vested interests.

Greeting Joel, now tell me why you would say such a stupid thing?

Could it be that Nobel prize winners are supposedly BRIGHT and come from countries where the people are BRIGHT and yet the countries with the BRIGHTEST people get very little if any of these prizes?

Hong Kong is ranked number 1 in terms of IQ on the list in the link below and so how often do people from Hong Kong get Nobel prizes?

What about people from countries much lower down the list of BRIGHTNESS? How often do they get the Nobel prizes?

Below is one site that list countries by IQ's.

http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

[idgaf]

Muq: If you have no little kids, that does not mean that you should not be concerned with the problem?
Idgaf: no, only means that I'm not as close to it as others. The problem is not an easy one to solve.
Muq: If there is "no solution" for these problems, then why is all this hue and cry in the media?
Idgaf: the media is about ratings and not about doing. The only person doing anything about this is Joe RPieHole in AZ. He's putting armed guards at schools.
Muq: And why you call these people as "my terrorist mafia"? Why you involve me into these acts?
Idgaf: you stated earlier that you guys don't have these kinds of problems and I beg to differ as you guys :abve been at war for 1000s of yrs. Unfortunately, your people own those crazy terrorists and they taint your culture. As do these nuts in our American society.
Muq: Crazy suicide bombers are just as weird as those gun tottering terrorists of your society. Both kill innocent people.
Idgaf: you and I are in agreement here, we can all do without these screwed up people. Fortunately for all of us, those nuts are a very small number of people.
Muq: It seems both of us are living in glass houses, so we should not throw stones at each others and try to solve this common problem that plagues our society.
Idgaf: my point exactly on my earlier post. I can't just throw rocks at you, but you certainly shouldn't throw them either. These crazy people are a serious problem, unfortunately, there is not a simple way to exterminate them or change them.
Muq:Just demonizing each other and pointing fingers at each other would not solve the problem.
Idgaf: thanks for a very good post, it's refreshing to read your thoughts and not your pastes.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?
Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.

Here is my gift to you.

Let us know after you have completed the first few chapters and we can give this issue the attention you think it rightfully deserves.

Learn Biblical Hebrew [Hardcover]
http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Biblical-Hebrew-J...

[Frijoles]

MUQ wrote:

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And I do not know any Nobel Prize that your Tiny state of Isreal has won. Jews working in US and Europe have won many Nobel prizes, but working and serving under the Christians.

I guess google is too complicated a tool for you

IsraelSee also: List of Jewish Nobel laureates

1.Dan Shechtman, Chemistry, 2011
2.Ada E. Yonath, Chemistry, 2009
3.Robert Aumann, born in Germany, Economics, 2005
4.Aaron Ciechanover, Chemistry, 2004
5.Avram Hershko, born in Hungary, Chemistry, 2004
6.Daniel Kahneman, Economics, 2002
7.Yitzhak Rabin, Peace, 1994
8.Shimon Peres, born in what was then Poland, now Belarus, Peace, 1994
9.Menachem Begin, born in what was then Russia, now Belarus, Peace, 1978
10.Shmuel Yosef Agnon, born in what was then Austria-Hungary, now Ukraine, Literature, 1966

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_la...