Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#46231 Dec 27, 2012
Idgaf wrote:
01. Putting armed guards or arming the teachers will never happen in the USA. We are too scared of being sued for the guards or the teachers accidentally shooting a kid during a response to a situation like that of the recent shootings.

There are a few things we can do:

- outlaw all guns, in which case, only the criminals and the cops have guns, reference the mess in Mexico for results of such action

- armed guards at all schools. This will not happen because the plan is to cut school funding, not increase it. No money means no guards and there is the issue of lawsuits in case of an accident and liability on the part of the school system that authorized the guards.

- arm the teachers or some teachers. This will not happen for liability reasons, schools don't want to be sued and personal liability, the teachers would be stupid to accept this as they carry additional liability and open themselves up to lawsuits and potential criminal action.

- metal detectors at all school entrances. This will catch all metal items, but requires someone to man it, again money issues, will never happen.

- mass spectrometer for explosives detection, again money issues.

- NOTHING. The most likely outcome. This requires no expenditure of money. No additional effort and we continue as we are.

There is no pretty solution to this problem. The issue is that crazy people will get weapons regardless of the laws. It all comes back to personal responsibility.

I see in the article it turns out Israel was combating organized terrorism and not crazy loonies just shooting up the schools.

My personal thought is that armed guards would help resolve the problem as well as armed teachers, but you'd have to be able to waive all liabilities.

As a crazy shooter, you are less likely to go shoot up a place where you know others will shoot back. You will be looking for fish in a barrel, not to walk into the heina's den.

And btw, MUQ, you keep posting a bunch of crap that you didn't write and your style sucks. Show some intelligence and offer up some original thoughts. No one is going to be upset about original thoughts, it's all the BS that you copy and paste. Look, Beans posted a nice link and people read it.
Ans.

Thanks for listing all the “options”, none of them are practical because of “Money” issue.

So why do you not solve the money issue and consider protecting your children as “one of highest priority”?

Such incidents do not happen in our schools, what is the reason?

There is nothing wrong in posting something which others wrote if the intention is correct.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#46232 Dec 27, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
1.

But we do follow Jesus.

We just don’t worship him, or consider him extraterrestrial. We follow Jesus because most of what he teaches was straight from the Jewish ethical teachings, now known as the Talmud.

If you actually understood what Savior was saying, neither the Jews NOR Savior has any interest in "ruling" over the world.

Why cant you understand that not everyone wants to be an imperialist?

2.

For one thing, Israel never had random school violence. Secondly, gun ownership is actually MORE restrictive there than here in the US.

I wouldnt expect you to know that, as you are too lazy to read the article.

3.
Ans.

1. If Jews had followed Jesus then that “scene at Sanhedrin” would not have taken place and not that 2000 years of hate and hatred between Jews and Christians.

Worship of Jesus started much later when Jews rejected him and Paul got Romans into his trap and follow his teachings. If majority of Jews had accepted Jesus, this situation would not have come.

2. Isreal is “much smaller” than most countries in the world, it is fighting a war of survival since its inception, so the people there are used to “another type” of violence.

You are right, I do not want to read the “propaganda items” that are major part of your media.
idgaf

Tewksbury, MA

#46233 Dec 27, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Thanks for listing all the “options”, none of them are practical because of “Money” issue.
So why do you not solve the money issue and consider protecting your children as “one of highest priority”?
Such incidents do not happen in our schools, what is the reason?
There is nothing wrong in posting something which others wrote if the intention is correct.
Thinking your schools and your teachings are about as useful as that hole in the head Beans is hoping for over your cut and paste.

I am not concerned for my kids as I have no little kids.

There is no good solution, like you have very little control over your terrorist mafia.

I'm thinking your comment wasn't crazy and horrible for once. Of course, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. How 'bout all those crazy suicide bombers?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46234 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Traditional Jews read it in the Hebrew without the translations. But you already know this - we have told you this 1000 times.
HughBe--- You have responded to my post below with your usual comic comments. Now can you truly respond in a non-comical way or a way that address my points.

Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?
Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46235 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible. Its not the same as officially titled version that my posting referred to.
HughBe---Who are the Lubavitchers?
Why would they have Christians scriptures?

Frijoles---They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible.Its NOT the same as officially titled version that MY posting referred to

HughBe--- 1. Did you see MY first question? Answer it now.

2. I know that they don't have Christian scriptures and my question tells anyone with basic comprehension skills that. Eric made a "MISTAKE" notwithstanding I told him my source. Did it also miss you, dear?

3. So like Eric you were WRONG in an inexplicable way. Cut down on your desire to defend nonsense and INCREASE your desire to learn as well as your appetite for TRUTH.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46236 Dec 28, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
"and" collected (v'asafti)
because, that is what it says.
So, YOU are saying that the Chabad rabbis were WRONG with their use of the word "I". Thanks for that. Observation, they MUST be WRONG because they used "I" instead of "AND" and that is a massive difference. Thanks once again for highlighting the fact that the translations of your rabbis cannot be TRUSTED which is what you have now proven and it is what this is all about.

Having said this, the INABILITY of your rabbis to ACCURATELY translate basic words such as "AND" explains why I suggested to you that you produce a more accurate set of scriptures than those produced by your rabbis. Get it?

Now explain Zachariah 14:1-6 USING your "AND" in verse 2 plus IDENTIFY the speaker in verse 2.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46237 Dec 28, 2012
later
Eric

Roselle, IL

#46238 Dec 28, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
plus IDENTIFY the speaker in verse 2.
see, 1:13
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46240 Dec 28, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Having said this, the INABILITY of your rabbis to ACCURATELY translate basic words such as "AND" explains why I suggested to you that you produce a more accurate set of scriptures than those produced by your rabbis.

Get it?
.
Twice you have used the word YOUR.

Judaism is not like catholicism. We dont have a pope.

Furthermore, I doubt Eric is even a Chabadsker.

If you have doubt about what a "Jewish" translation is, do what we do. Dont translate it. Read it instead.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46241 Dec 28, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---Who are the Lubavitchers?
Why would they have Christians scriptures?
Frijoles---They dont. They just call their transation the complete Jewish bible.Its NOT the same as officially titled version that MY posting referred to
HughBe--- 1. Did you see MY first question? Answer it now.
2. I know that they don't have Christian scriptures and my question tells anyone with basic comprehension skills that. Eric made a "MISTAKE" notwithstanding I told him my source. Did it also miss you, dear?
3. So like Eric you were WRONG in an inexplicable way. Cut down on your desire to defend nonsense and INCREASE your desire to learn as well as your appetite for TRUTH.
Not only was Eric WRONG, and not only did he admit he was WRONG, but his "mistake" had NOTHING to do with whatver point you were trying to make.

Moving on...
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46242 Dec 28, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?
Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.
Perhaps some day you will read our posts.

Moving on, again...
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46243 Dec 28, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
1. If Jews had followed Jesus then that “scene at Sanhedrin” would not have taken place and not that 2000 years of hate and hatred between Jews and Christians.
Worship of Jesus started much later when Jews rejected him and Paul got Romans into his trap and follow his teachings. If majority of Jews had accepted Jesus, this situation would not have come.
2. Isreal is “much smaller” than most countries in the world, it is fighting a war of survival since its inception, so the people there are used to “another type” of violence.
You are right, I do not want to read the “propaganda items” that are major part of your media.
1. What more is there to "accept'? We agree with most of his teachings - primarily because what he was teaching in the way of ethics was basic Judaism of the time.

2. That tiny little insignificant country has produced more Nobel Laurettes per capita and more start ups per capita than ANY other place on earth.

How are those Saudi scientists doing? Both of them?
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46244 Dec 28, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
2. Isreal is “much smaller” than most countries in the world, it is fighting a war of survival since its inception, so the people there are used to “another type” of violence.
You are right, I do not want to read the “propaganda items” that are major part of your media.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

TEL AVIV—It is hard not to be impressed by the sheer width and depth of the Israeli start-up community.

For a country of just under eight million people, Israel punches considerably above its tech weight......the country has the most scientists and technicians in the world per capita, and the largest number of start-ups per capita.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/166799a0-fdda-11e1-...

Israel: an innovation gem, in Europe’s backyard

By Michael Bloch, Jonathan Kolodny and Dana Maor

Israel is a first-tier innovation hub, second in the world only to Silicon Valley in its concentration of start-up companies.
idgaf

Tewksbury, MA

#46245 Dec 28, 2012
If you want programmers, you send your work to israel. They are on top of that.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46246 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only was Eric WRONG, and not only did he admit he was WRONG, but his "mistake" had NOTHING to do with whatver point you were trying to make.
Moving on...
FOCUS, my boy.

Who are the Lubavitchers?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46247 Dec 28, 2012
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
see, 1:13
explain Zachariah 14:1-6 USING your "AND" in verse 2 plus IDENTIFY the speaker in verse 2.

I take it that the IDENTITY of the speaker is "1:13", in your mind, but it is not in my mind so please name the Speaker or name the object that is speaking IN VERSE 2.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46248 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps some day you will read our posts.
Moving on, again...
Well why not produce a superior work to that of your rabbis?

Share your understanding of the role of translations generally and here I am speaking about the spoken and written words.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46249 Dec 28, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Twice you have used the word YOUR.
Judaism is not like catholicism. We dont have a pope.
Furthermore, I doubt Eric is even a Chabadsker.
If you have doubt about what a "Jewish" translation is, do what we do. Dont translate it. Read it instead.
Frijoles---If you have doubt about what a "Jewish" translation is, do what WE do. Dont translate it. Read it instead

HughBe--- my dear F..... your following words make absolutely no sense, as usual, "do what WE do. Dont translate it".

Tell me did "WE" translate the The Complete Jewish Bible found on the Chabad site or was it translated by the non-WE?

You speak like a truly deceived brainless fool.

Explain Zechariah 14 in YOUR Tanach, if you are capable.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46250 Dec 28, 2012
Culti dear, please address the post below.

Cult---It is also an abomination to trim your beard.

HughBe--- Please cite scripture to support your statement.
Truthfully, I have not done the research BUT your words make no sense.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#46257 Dec 28, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-19

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : ZAHIR BIN HARAM, The Bedouin

ZAHIR was one of the Bedouin, who used to visit the prophet in Median from Time to time. He used to bring the prophet gifts from desert like Ghee and Cheese etc. and prophet used to give him in return gifts of Dates or other things from Medina.

Prophet Used to say “That ZAHIR is our Bedouin friend and we are his City Friend”

Once he came to Medina, but prophet was not at home, so he went to the market place, when prophet came home and was informed of his visit, prophet went to market place in his search.

He found ZAHIR , full with sweat and smelling as Bedouins so, prophet did not mind his condition and hugged him from the behind. ZAHIR was surprised, since he did not know, who grabbed him, but when he turned and saw the prophet, he was extremely happy.

Prophet in jest, who will buy this slave?

ZAHIR said “O Prophet of Allah, I am worthless in my present attire and condition”

“No you are not worthless, You are very valuable in the eyes of Allah and His Messenger” Prophet Replied

The prophet enslaved ZAHIR forever with his “Sword of Kindness and Mercy”!


The Case of : ADDAS, a slave from Taif

This is when prophet went to Taif , to preach his message there after he got discouraged from the people of Makkah from accepting Islam.

Taif was a hilly place, near Makkah which was known for its cold climate and fruits, many rich people of Makkah had purchased land and property in Taif, and had their gardens there.

The Prophet’ visit was not successful and he suffered such harshness from people of Taif, which he had not encountered in his 10 or 11 year mission in Makkah.

They not only refused to listen to his message, but even drove him out of the city and asked children to even throw pebbles at him.

Hungry, thirty and dejected, the Prophet took refuge in one of the garden of UTBAH , the Son of RABEAH, A Makkan chief. UTBAH had not accepted Islam, but he was moved my seeing the prophet in this condition.

He sent his slave ADDAS, with some grapes to the prophet. He was a Christian slave at that time, When he gave prophet these fruits, he took the Name of Allah before eating.

ADDAS, was surprised, he asked prophet, what did you say, these people do not take the name of Allah before eating?

Prophet asked “You are from which city and what is your religion?”

ADDAS, told that he was Christian and he is from Nineveh,“The city of my brother prophet Jonas the Son of MATTA” prophet said.

ADDAS, was taken aback, How do you know about Jonas the Son of MATTA? Prophet told that he was a prophet of God and I am also a prophet of God.

On this ADDAS, respected prophet and kissed his hands and feet, UTBAH was watching this scene from window,“This slave is gone from our hand , he thought”

When ADDAS, returned back, he asked him what happened, ADDAS, told that this man is a prophet of God, he told me such a thing which only a prophet of God can know.

“Your religion is better than his religion” was all that UTBAH could say at that moment.

So it was the “Sword of truth and Allah’ remembrance” by which the Prophet enslaved ADDAS, for ever!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

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