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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46060 Dec 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I find it curious that you have adopted the Hebrew name for your scriptures, but yet the text of such scriptures are not the Hebrew version.
I find it curious that YOU, a member of Judaism, don't know that there are versions of your scriptures in ENGLISH. Would you like me to quote one for YOU?

So what is your point?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46061 Dec 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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The best advertising you could ever do for your Jesus would be to act like him.
We look forward to this.
1. I cannot do anything for Jesus.

2.The best advertising that you can do for your rabbis is to CONTINUE to act like them.

3. Jesus loves you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46062 Dec 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it curious that you have adopted the Hebrew name for your scriptures, but yet the text of such scriptures are not the Hebrew version.
Oh, tell me, who WROTE "my scriptures"? Could it be Jews? If so what is your point, sonny?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46063 Dec 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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The best advertising you could ever do for your Jesus would be to act like him.
We look forward to this.
oh, merry rabbi-mas.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46064 Dec 24, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it curious that YOU, a member of Judaism, don't know that there are versions of your scriptures in ENGLISH. Would you like me to quote one for YOU?
So what is your point?
Something called the Old Testament.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46065 Dec 24, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, tell me, who WROTE "my scriptures"? Could it be Jews? If so what is your point, sonny?
I have no idea who wrote your Chrsitian scriptures. I only know about the scriptures us Jews use.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46066 Dec 24, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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1. I cannot do anything for Jesus.
Too bad. It would be nice sometime if you acted like your Jesus did.

Have a happy holyday.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46067 Dec 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Until you expose his logical fallacies, after which, he runs away like a dog with his tail between his legs.
Not just his logical fallacies, but his fallacies in general as well.
Voluntarist

United States

#46068 Dec 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Not just his logical fallacies, but his fallacies in general as well.
Hey tinkerbell i havent heard anything from the police yet should i call them up and ask them what is going on?

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46071 Dec 25, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Hey!
Where have you been? Welcome back.
As you see, the thread is still going. Limping at times, but still going.
Happy holidays!
eh, I've been busy, farming mostly. But thank you for the shout-out, and same to you. Happy Holidays, and many, many happy returns for the New Year!

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46072 Dec 25, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
You tried to show yourselves as "victims" and not the aggressors that you people really are against Islam and Muslims for past 1400 years.
This is the "old technique" to paint aggressors and victims and put wolf in the clothing of sheep. I would try to tear off that mask and paint the real picture. A full answer requires much space so I will answer these points in short.
01. There is comaprison between “racism” of Jews and “Racism of Islam”. For Jews it is based on genealogy, in Islam the door is open for every one. There is no superiority of any race or ethnic group over another.
02. Yes Islam divides the world into two groups, one who are Muslim and those who are non Muslims.
But amongst Non Muslims there are again two groups. One who wants to live in peace and tranquility with Islam and Muslims and to this group Islam extends the hand of peace and tolerance.
Then there is another group who wants to destroy Muslims and exploit their material and human resources. Or the groups that are involved in planning and plotting against Islam and Muslims. To this group Muslims are to put their “tough face” and fight with them till they are subdued.
03. No your reading of History in peace in ME countries is wrong. All these countries and Muslims and Jews and Christians were living in peace and tranquility, till the Zionists set their “cursed feet” in that land after the end of WW-1. It is that day since when these lands have not seen a day of peace. So you analysis is totally wrong. It is Jews and Zionists which are responsible for turning a peaceful land into a land of violence and killing.
04. Yes Turkey has seen how their “Secular Democratic European allies” have denied its entry into EU, while White Christian nations who were in Russian block a decades ago were granted “full member ship”. These nation preach fair play and human rights, but they have both racial bais and religeous bias.
(Contd.)
Muq, you ever notice how you try to gloss over the whole "House of Islam declared war on Israel and tried to kill them in '47 and '67" factoids and got their asses handed to them and have still refused (mostly) to even acknowledge Israel's existinence as legitimate ever since? 7 countries attacked Israel as soon as it was formed, and they lost territory. They attacked again, and lost MORE territory. ALL of that lost territoy now calls itself a "nation," and the U.N. has even said "o.k., let's let these poor vagabond souls who's original homelands refused to re-patriate them have a nation and we will call it 'Palestine.'" Fair enough, the U.N. was the "official" sanctioning body that incorporated the State of Israel to start with, and every single nation that abandoned their citizens in the aftermath of those ill-conceived and very lost wars has said the same thing, so... what is even remotely the point of continuing this dumb-ass conversation predicated upon the premise you offer that the Jews are somehow at fault for this continual conflict? And your little kinnard there, it's stupid. Of course people can "convert" to Islam, the same as they can "convert" to Judaism or Christianity or Buddhism or anything they ever want to convert to. What does that have to do with FACTS on the GROUND? If the Islamic neighboring countries surrounding Israel want peace with Israel, they should SEEK peace with Israel. STOP lobbing bombs into Israel, STOP attacking Israelis bus stops and child-care centers and pizzarias, and generally just stop bitching. Israel has been more than fair, more than any enemy they have dealt with in the last 60 years, very little more could be expected from them at this point-in-time in deling with this Islamic lunacy they have had to deal with.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46073 Dec 25, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I have no idea who wrote your Chrsitian scriptures. I only know about the scriptures us Jews use.
Jesus was a Jew, actually, so were all of the Apostles (even Paul, who was a Convert.) The true history of the Scriptures is... amazing, actually. Jesus had actual Scriptures He wrote, the Apostles were far greater than anyone probably ever knew, and I personally believe even more have been lost to posterity (I have always imagined the Joseph left behind documentary evidence of his interaction with Jesus. I find it rare that a man who raised Jesus would leave behind such scant evidadence of his journey through life when the events of the Bible make it so clear that he was pro-beauracy during his lifetime (at least to the extent that he wanted to make sure that his liviliehood, wife, and child were counted during an official census.)

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#46074 Dec 25, 2012
MUQ wrote:
05. USA has been the “chief protector” of Isreal for past 60 Years. It has blocked every move in UN for action against Isreal by using its Veto power.
Why USA should align itself with that Tiny Zionist state so closely, I fail to understand.
This bad action of USA washes off all its “so called” good deeds.
It is for USA to understand that it cannot take this one sided stand and violate the whole world’s opinions.
06. Jews and Zionists are the forefront of maligning Islam and Muslims, and with their control of Media in Europe and USA, they are poisoning these people’s mind against Islam and Muslims.
And after the fall of USSR, they have presented Islam and Muslims as “Next enemies” of US Dreams.
And by plotting and planning events like 9/11, I cannot say that they have not succeeded. For past 11 years US is engaged in war in Afghanistan. And the war circle has already extended to Iraq, Pakistan. Yemen and can any time include Iran and Syria and Egypt.
So the aggressors and Tyrants and Oppressors are pleading as victims and not the bullies that they are.
And by the way, Muq, we don't care about "the World's" opinion. Israel is a winner, and we (the United States,) prefer to back winners over losers. Predominately Islamic nations lost against Israel when they went to war in the 40's, and you continually lose. It is hardly America that is alone in this thinking, Russia just signed a pretty extensive mutual pro-mutual obligation military pact with India if you watch the news at all, no one on earth of any importance cares for the idea of extremely militant Islamic countries continuing to exist on the planet. But, could you PLEASE address how the "bullies" and "aggressors" who are ones who are the VICTIMS of your bus-bombings and day-care shootings and eatery-bombings and ceaselessz attacks are actually the aggressors here? Because you really fell short on your last response there.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46075 Dec 25, 2012
saviorself wrote:
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Jesus was a Jew, actually, so were all of the Apostles (even Paul, who was a Convert.) The true history of the Scriptures is... amazing, actually. Jesus had actual Scriptures He wrote, the Apostles were far greater than anyone probably ever knew, and I personally believe even more have been lost to posterity (I have always imagined the Joseph left behind documentary evidence of his interaction with Jesus. I find it rare that a man who raised Jesus would leave behind such scant evidadence of his journey through life when the events of the Bible make it so clear that he was pro-beauracy during his lifetime (at least to the extent that he wanted to make sure that his liviliehood, wife, and child were counted during an official census.)
I never thought of Jesus of anything other than a Jew. A pretty darn good Jew in fact, and on paper, a mensch.

I took the pot shots at Hughbe because he constantly and purposely misinterprets practice of my religion. He is a garden variety hater, hiding under the veil of some type of agressive evangelical sect of Christianity. After probably 2 or more years here and other forums he has never even told us what his Christian sect is.
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46076 Dec 25, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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03. No your reading of History in peace in ME countries is wrong. All these countries and Muslims and Jews and Christians were living in peace and tranquility, till the Zionists set their “cursed feet” in that land after the end of WW-1. It is that day since when these lands have not seen a day of peace. So you analysis is totally wrong. It is Jews and Zionists which are responsible for turning a peaceful land into a land of violence and killing.
.)
Jeez, MUQ, its been only about a week since I posted all those posts of pre- Zionist historical intolerance of Islam towards Jews.

Remember, you said you were unaware of all the references and I told you to follow the links? You said you would read them "sometime" but coulndt comment on them now because they were too voluminous.

This is why we berate you day in and say out. You constantly post the same rehashes. THEN you ask for comments. And we correct you. And in this case you EVEN acknowledge in a limited way the correction. For about ten minutes. Then you repeat the lie again a few days later.

You remind me of the directions on detergent.
"Wash. Rinse. REPEAT if necessary"
Frijoles

Stamford, CT

#46077 Dec 25, 2012
MUQ caught lying on repeat

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/TM3OVM4FAOEG...

Ans.

A. Jews Persecution in Muslim countries:

01. Only writing "One side" of the story, could lead you into forming any conclusion. I do not say that all Muslims were ideal and no Jews were persecuted anywhere in any Muslim country.

02. But what I know and what every one knows that Muslims did not persecute Jews the way they were persecuted by Christians of Europe.

03. In Islam granting some one as DIMMI, is not a de-meaning term. It makes them "protectors by the state". They get rights and they have to fulfill their obligations.

04 You have mentioned so many incidents from Wikipedia, I have no means to confirm or deny them. Even if they be true, how can you know that "Jews were never at fault"?

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NOTE:

"04 YOU MENTIONED SO MANY INCIDENTS FROM WIKIPEDIA, I have no means to confirm or deny them. Even if they be true, how can you know that "Jews were never at fault"?
munum

Pittsburgh, PA

#46078 Dec 25, 2012
youtube.com/watch...
How about that? Merry Christmas
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46079 Dec 25, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I have no idea who wrote your Chrsitian scriptures. I only know about the scriptures us Jews use.
Jews use the "Chrsitian" scriptures too and if YOU do not know the authors why not shut the .... up and pretend to be sensible?

You are good at pretending.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46080 Dec 25, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Too bad. It would be nice sometime if you acted like your Jesus did.
Have a happy holyday.
Frijoles---if you acted like YOUR Jesus did

HughBe--- MY Jesus?

Am I a Jew? NO.

Is Jesus a JEW? YES.

Do you claim to be a Jew? YES. So whose Jesus is He?

Is Jesus not your landsman? YES

Why is Jesus excluded from your use of US, WE, OUR?

What EVIL has Jesus the Jew done to You, rabbi?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#46081 Dec 25, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Something called the Old Testament.
HughBe --I find it curious that YOU, a member of Judaism, don't know that there are versions of your scriptures in ENGLISH. Would you like me to quote one for YOU?
So what is your point?

Frijoles---Something called the Old Testament.

HughBe---1. Which one is more in harmony with the Dead Sea scrolls, the Old Testament or your corrected Tanach?

2. Should the Chabad movement regard the following Isaiah quote as part of the Tanach?

To get to the quote I had to enter the word Tanach in the search box and then click on "The Complete TANACH with Rashi's commentary"

Isaiah 53:8 "From imprisonment and from judgment he is taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off(KILLED) from the land of the living; because of the transgression of MY/Isaiah people, a plague befell them"

Jesus was KILLED or cut off from the land of the living for the Jewish people. It surely was not Isaiah who was killed for them. Context and basic intelligence say this.

Merry Christmas.

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