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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#45688 Dec 16, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-9

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : UTBAH BIN RABEEAH, CHIEF OF ONE MAKKAN CLAN

A. Utbah ‘s position in Makkah

Utbah was a much respected Chief of one of the Makkah Clans. His words and his position mattered very much with the Makkah pagans.

He knew the prophet from the very childhood and when prophet declared his mission, he did not accept it. He was one of leading members of those who were opposing prophets, but he never used physical force or foul language when talking and dealing with prophet.

He can be called as “one of Civil Adversaries” of prophet in Makkah. The elders of Makkah used to gather together and think as to how to counter this “new and strange menace” which “This Prophet of God” has brought upon Makkah and its people.

They were seeing that one by one, number of his followers were increasing and when one becomes his follower, it was neigh impossible to bring him back.

No amount of physical force or abuses or taunts would bring any of those people back. Countering Prophet and his message was always a ready and hot topic with these chiefs and elders of Makkah. One day, Utbah told, the assembly,“I think, you should depute me as your representative to go and come to some solution with Mohammad”

“Please do so Abu Waleed (Respected nick name of Utbah and an Arabian custom still valid today) may be your reasoning will solve the problem. We have full confidence in you” They said with one Voice.

B. Utbah Reasons with Prophet:

Utbah came to prophet and started like this “O son of my brother, your people have send me as their representative to talk to you, please do not interrupt me and listen to my offer fully”

“Yes , Abu Waleed, say what you want to say” Replied the prophet

“You know, we had very high hopes on you, you were born in a very noble family….and now you have brought a calamity on your city, which no one was ever able to do it before” Utbah started

“Because of you, now every house stands divided, sons and fathers, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, brothers and brothers, they stand divided….I do not know what you want to achieve by all this”

“I have three proposals before you, if you wanted by this leadership of Makkah, we will choose you our Leader and King with one voice……If you want wealth, we will give you enough wealth , so you will become wealthiest man in all Arabis…..if you want to marry any beautiful woman of Arabia, we will marry you to most beautiful and esteemed woman of your choice……and if you are suffering from any illness, which you are unable to cure….we will try to get your cure by calling best medicine men in whole of Arabia” Ended Utbah

“Are you finished Abu Waleed” said the prophet,“Yes,“ replied Utbah

(Contd.)

MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#45689 Dec 16, 2012
C. Prophet’s Reply:

“Now listen to my reply” Said prophet (Unsheathing his Sword of Quran) and started reciting from Quran

“HA MIM. A revelation from (Allah) Most Gracious, Most Merciful, A book whereof the verses are explained in detail; a Quran in Arabic for people who understand ; Giving good news and admonition: yet most of them turn away and so they hear not……..”(Ch 41:1-15) Prophet kept on reciting and Utbah was listening like one mesmerized…When he reached verse no 15 (Warning), he put his hand on the mouth of prophet and said “Stop, it is enough”

“Now you have heard my reply” said the prophet.

Utbah came back to his people, walking as one who is intoxicated…after taking some rest, he said “If you take my advise, you leave this man alone, if he is successful, it will be success for us too, and if he fails and is killed by others, we will be absolved of shedding his blood”

“I think, Utbah has also come under his spell’ Said Abu JAHL!

D. End of Utbah:

Utbah did not become Muslim, he was chosen as leader of Makkan army that went to fight at Battle of Badr in year 2 AH…..he tried his best to avoid the battle…..when the Quraish Caravan passed danger zone unharmed…

But Abu Jahl, did not listen to him and accused him of getting impotent and coward…..this insult infuriated Utbah very much and to prove his Power he came forward along with his brother Shaibah and his Son Waleed to demand one by one combat with Muslims.

Utbah was Killed by Hamzah, the Uncle of Prophet.
Waleed was killed by Ali, the cousin of Prophet.
Sahaibah was killed By Obidah, cousin of prophet and Ali and Hamzah

So three of the best warriors of Makkah were slain even before the main battle started.

Such is the story of Utbah who was injured but not slain by the sword of prophet (and he met his end with the steel sword)!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45690 Dec 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
C. Prophet’s Reply:
“Now listen to my reply” Said prophet (Unsheathing his Sword of Quran) and started reciting from Quran
“HA MIM. A revelation from (Allah) Most Gracious, Most Merciful, A book whereof the verses are explained in detail; a Quran in Arabic for people who understand ; Giving good news and admonition: yet most of them turn away and so they hear not……..”(Ch 41:1-15) Prophet kept on reciting and Utbah was listening like one mesmerized…When he reached verse no 15 (Warning), he put his hand on the mouth of prophet and said “Stop, it is enough”
“Now you have heard my reply” said the prophet.
Utbah came back to his people, walking as one who is intoxicated…after taking some rest, he said “If you take my advise, you leave this man alone, if he is successful, it will be success for us too, and if he fails and is killed by others, we will be absolved of shedding his blood”
“I think, Utbah has also come under his spell’ Said Abu JAHL!
D. End of Utbah:
Utbah did not become Muslim, he was chosen as leader of Makkan army that went to fight at Battle of Badr in year 2 AH…..he tried his best to avoid the battle…..when the Quraish Caravan passed danger zone unharmed…
But Abu Jahl, did not listen to him and accused him of getting impotent and coward…..this insult infuriated Utbah very much and to prove his Power he came forward along with his brother Shaibah and his Son Waleed to demand one by one combat with Muslims.
Utbah was Killed by Hamzah, the Uncle of Prophet.
Waleed was killed by Ali, the cousin of Prophet.
Sahaibah was killed By Obidah, cousin of prophet and Ali and Hamzah
So three of the best warriors of Makkah were slain even before the main battle started.
Such is the story of Utbah who was injured but not slain by the sword of prophet (and he met his end with the steel sword)!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Do you think your author will FRIEND me?

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Gtown71

United States

#45691 Dec 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
onclusion:
And the killings go on as usual, there have been so many incidents in the past, but they will be forgotten.
Only the ones in which any Muslim or Muslim organization was accused to be involved, would be played again and again , just like an old record.
Been lots of killing in times past MUG, mainly by muslims and catholics.
which are pretty much the same.
The catholic "whore" gave birth to many daughters.
Islam is one of those daughters.

Poles show about 80% of americans are christians.
May shock you to know the truth, but probably only 10% and no more then 30%.

There is the One true God Jesus Christ, and there are all the other gods and religions, many in which use Jesus name to hide their true self.

Those who put their faith and trust in Christ will go to Heaven, all others will just play religion, Nd they did, and then they did, and so on, untill they die and their souls go to hell.

Sounds to simple, and religion don't like simple.
May the true God open your eyes.

For He did me.
I went from being a God hating atheist, if there is such a thing, to a born again christian, the night God woke me from a sleep and let me know He was real.
That's been over 12 years ago, and I've never got over it.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45697 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
How can I speak about him? I am not in his Friend's List!!
Whats keeping you?
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45698 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. The problem is that "many innocent children" are also killed in your fight against International Terrorism…. But you shrug your shoulders this as a "small price" to be paid for that fight against International terrorism. When some thing happens in your country, your emotions pour out.
So in the end it is "our children" versus "Their Children" , Is it?

02. I am surprised that ONLY 50 % of US people sympathize with Isreal? With the "dose" of Pro-Isreal info they get "round the clock" from Print, Film and Electronic Media, it should have been 80-90 %.
So you people are slipping, you need some thing more. Why not a few more of 9/11 types of attacks?
1. The difference is the intent. It was never the intent of the American military to cause collateral damage. In fact, the reason they use drones is to attempt (often unsuccessfully) to minimize such damage as compared to using a ground invasion force, or by using dumb bombs. Terrorists, on the other hand, INTEND to cause civilian casualities. Do you understand this moral difference in intent?

2. Jews do not control the media. Everytime you say this you only look sillier and sillier.

As far as 50% support - in the US thats basically considered a majority and almost enough to elect a president. Unlike your host country, we are a democracy, there is diversity of opinion, and it is acknowledged and celebrated.

If Jews really controlled the media we would do a much better job.
Gtown71

United States

#45700 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think Jesus Christ is God, then you should get your head examined?
Whoever ever heard about Jesus till he was born of Virgin Mary?
How could he be God, forget about "Only God"!!
You are speaking thru your hat.
That is the usual problem for you atheists....first you were on One Extreme, denying God and Religion and Revelation.....and then you went to another Extreme.
Made Jesus, a Righteous Prophet of God, a Man into "Only God".
What you need is a "Middle path" between these two extremes!!
What path do you suggest?

As I read the bible, the more I see that Jesus was God made flesh, but either way I do know He "Jesus Christ "Is the only way to Heaven.

Who is Jesus Christ to you, if I may ask?
Gtown71

United States

#45701 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. No I did not write any thing bad about the victims. They were innocent children who had done no harm. But when you hear that US Drones have killed Scores of Children in a Remote village of Afghanistan or Pakistan, what are your emotions? Do you have a feeling for those fallen Children?
02. After the fall of USSR, America has turned from a Islamic Neutral to Anti Islamic country in a matter of years. And it did not happen by chance. The US media did it knowingly and purposely./
03. We do not hate USA, only its policies towards Islam and Muslims in past 20 odd years, plus its "one sided and unreasonable support" to Isreal for past 60 years.
04. Love and hate are two way streets. You just cannot keep on bashing One Muslim country after another and expect the other to keep an smiling face turned to you.
This Love of Isreal will lead to the doom of USA.
The love of Israel will only help a country, being against Israel leads to a countries doom, as been proven throughout history.

Jews are Gods chosen people, back in their land (in unbelief, on their way to hell, without Jesus Christ), but still Gods chosen people.

Israel alone should make you see the one true God.

Why do you believe sooo many want to attack and get rid of such a tiny speck of land???

I feel for the lose of any child, no matter what religion they are being taugh!

Again 80% of americans claim to be christians, yet 30% would be a stretch.

Catholics (as a whole) are Godless!
They are the ones that help star Islam, which also is not of God.

Jesus Christ is anyones hope, all other, even those claiming the name of Jesus, yet rely on their "good works " are useless in this life or the one to come.

You cannot claim Jesus to be a good man or prophet, if you can't claim He is who He said He was.

He is either God, or a liar.

He told those that even though David was in His family tree, He was, before David was.

I was not taught to become a christian.
I was born into it.
born again, which Jesus said one Must be.

Many things I was lead to read, AFTER I was born again.

Before I waa born again, I would have never care for anyone that was religious in any way.

I didn't believe in any god, and cared less for anyone who did.

I thought all were idiots!
May God show you the truth, for He alone can.
What one man can talk you into, another man can talk you out of.

People don't need religion, they need Jesus Christ, their only hope!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#45702 Dec 17, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. No I did not write any thing bad about the victims. They were innocent children who had done no harm. But when you hear that US Drones have killed Scores of Children in a Remote village of Afghanistan or Pakistan, what are your emotions? Do you have a feeling for those fallen Children?
02. After the fall of USSR, America has turned from a Islamic Neutral to Anti Islamic country in a matter of years. And it did not happen by chance. The US media did it knowingly and purposely.
03. We do not hate USA, only its policies towards Islam and Muslims in past 20 odd years, plus its "one sided and unreasonable support" to Isreal for past 60 years.
04. Love and hate are two way streets. You just cannot keep on bashing One Muslim country after another and expect the other to keep an smiling face turned to you.
This Love of Isreal will lead to the doom of USA.
Like I said. A one track mind focused on hatred and anger. Your god must be proud.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#45705 Dec 17, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
Poles show about 80% of americans are christians.
Polls show that Americans don't care what the Polish people think.
Gtown71 wrote:
May shock you to know the truth, but probably only 10% and no more then 30%.
One can hope.
Gtown71 wrote:
There is the One true God Jesus Christ, and there are all the other gods and religions, many in which use Jesus name to hide their true self.
Another fine example of the No True Scotsman fallacy. You must not have been paying attention.
Gtown71 wrote:
I went from being a God hating atheist, if there is such a thing, to a born again christian
How do you hate something if you don't believe it exists? Maybe you weren't a "true" atheist (Oops, there goes that Scotsman again).
Gtown71 wrote:
the night God woke me from a sleep and let me know He was real.
Try and stay away from heavy meals before bedtime.
Gtown71 wrote:
That's been over 12 years ago, and I've never got over it.
I'd recommend a good gastroenterologist.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45706 Dec 17, 2012
Urm Omma wrote:
<quoted text>
Man just spit it out. Do you know or not? Your riddles and longwindedness is beyond hilarious at times.
rabbee: oh come on, you really do not expect those, who are the problem. to admit this, to themselves or anyone else. when they rather, blame the symptoms of their idolitry. order to avoid, admitting it is, the side effects of their idolitry. when they even teach how to become, an idolitor in their schools.

you cannot be with G-D and Ruach HaKodesh. in any social society constantly rejecting it in your schools and everywhere else. when you do not even, truly teach about G-D, in your churches, and synagogues. with your all only, make believe stuff. and the more you use altered scripture, the more only make believe it becomes.

not anyone on these message boards, is going to admit their an idolitor. more of less take responsibility, for all of it's horrid effects on any society of critters.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45709 Dec 17, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a hell of a lot more clear that Bush didn't get Bin Laddin.
But it's also clear he invaded the wrong country and killed at least 10s of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens.
I don't recall him apologizing for that.
rabbee: the error is only, in your own eyes. since i cannot believe that G-D, commanded us to invade the wrong country. no matter how much, the world's diverse idolitries lie about it. and the fact is, bin leyden cannot be killed until the time and place designated by G-D.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45712 Dec 17, 2012
Pole wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason this forum thread is at 50k+ is your inability to be sweet and short. Concise and to the point. No wonder the problems of israel don't get fixed. If they all believe that you need to write a Torah or a Bible size book to tell a simple story, no one listens. Short and concise works best.
rabbee: well the reason why it is 50k pluss. is not because of any one, diverse idolitor on this message thread. and not one person writting on this message thread. is capable of fixing their own problem with idolitry involved. more of less, any of Ysrael's problems involving idolitry. when the fact is, when this world or any sub-group tells the truth. then G-D shall correct the physical difficulties, created by their idoliterous lying. but if you want to continue to lie, like the devil. then you are going to be commanded to do what is expected for the diverse devils.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45713 Dec 17, 2012
if you are going to lie, like a bunch of diverse talking critters. then you are going to be commanded to do, what is expected of herds of talking critters.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45714 Dec 17, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot claim Jesus to be a good man or prophet, if you can't claim He is who He said He was.
He is either God, or a liar.
Dont tempt me here to express the answer to that question.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45715 Dec 17, 2012
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
May God show you the truth, for He alone can.
Then why the long winded post?
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45716 Dec 17, 2012
Hughbe's in luck:

A new -- and almost entirely unreported -- study about anal sex and pain shows how little we really know about it

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/05/anal_sex_scie...

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WORD for the day: anodyspareunia
Gtown71

United States

#45718 Dec 17, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Polls show that Americans don't care what the Polish people think.
<quoted text>
One can hope.
<quoted text>
Another fine example of the No True Scotsman fallacy. You must not have been paying attention.
<quoted text>
How do you hate something if you don't believe it exists? Maybe you weren't a "true" atheist (Oops, there goes that Scotsman again).
<quoted text>
Try and stay away from heavy meals before bedtime.
<quoted text>
I'd recommend a good gastroenterologist.
I believe in God, although for years I did not.
You may come up with all the theories you wish, and it will not change the fact that God is real.
According to the first chapter of Romans the earth is enough to show you.

You are without excuse.
When I mentioned being an atheist, I mentioned, if there was such a thing.

I truly didn't believe in God, but if there was a God I hated Him.

God woke me up and dealt with me, the very next day I noticed something different. I was not around any christians at all.

I had no desire to drink, take pills, or cuss, just the night before I was doing just that.

I went from having no prob dropping the biggest curse word you could think of, to not being able to say any without feeling horrible.

I had a desire to read a bible, for the firat time in my life, I couldn't stop talking about God, before I never wanted to hear anything about God.

Say what you will, educate yourself in great ways, it will not help you
when I said america has few christians, it is true, most are caught up in a dead religion with christ ob the sign.

Read what made Solomon the wisest man to ever live.
He had all the money, education, Nd women you could imagine, but counted it all nothing without God.

May you check out the lead singer of Korn, and his conversion???

I have not read this entire thread, I assume you believe in evolution, which takes waaay more faith, then God.

Jesus lived a perfect life, died for you and me, rose the third day, so that any who simply put their faith and trust in Him, shall live forever, no matter what any church denom says.
former res

Broomall, PA

#45719 Dec 17, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Hughbe's in luck:
A new -- and almost entirely unreported -- study about anal sex and pain shows how little we really know about it
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/05/anal_sex_scie...
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WORD for the day: anodyspareunia
This information should be right up his alley!

;)

Where is our favorite shiny tropical buxt pirate?

[censored by the man]
Gtown71

United States

#45720 Dec 17, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont tempt me here to express the answer to that question.
You may say what you will.
I never had a prob telling people what I thought.
Plus God already knows what you wanted to say.
you may get as vile as you wish with me, it doesn't matter what you say to me.

I understand how I wanted nothing to do with Jesus Christ, and lumped all religions together, but now I know the truth.

Perhaps one day you will be humble enough to see it.

A man died for you, to cover all of your sin, yet you would rather hang onto what you are taught, or learn from another man.

I'm sure you are readi.g this thinking a ton of sharp come backs, but either way God is real, and His name is Jesus Christ.

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