Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Voluntarist

United States

#45619 Dec 15, 2012
former res wrote:
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Ok, I'll leave you along.
:))
Do you know how to press the little microphone and speak your emails?
That's usually what I do when I'm on the phone.
Do you not own a computer? It seems you're always on a phone.
I'm always working on the road, douchbag.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45620 Dec 15, 2012
Frijoles' Post 45237---An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also UNIFIED by a common religious background.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45621 Dec 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Any denial of TRUTH comes from him and his rabbis and YOU. His quote defines ethnoreligious as a group with a UNIFIED RELIGIOUS system.
I have PROVEN to ALL with basic understanding that it is a FALSE doctrine. How so?
I have quoted from My Jewish Learning, a Jewish source, that says Jews are FLOCKING to Eastern religions. This alone tells YOU and other the dim-wit that there cannot be a ethnoreligious group when there are DIFFERENT religious beliefs of Jews?
Explain the UNITY, if you disagree.
Next I have stated plainly that many Jews are SECULAR and are without RELIGION so how can the term ethnoreligious be applicable to the Jewish people?
Are you following, son? Many Jews are Secular i.e. without Religion so ethnoreligious or a UNIFIED religious beliefs is nonsense. Also many others have OTHER religions so the concept of a UNIFIED religion makes no sense to even the average. I now speak from memory but the secular Jews are close to 50% of Jews . Get it Einstein?
The ethnoreligious concept is like saying Americans are supporters of the Democratic Party. Yes it is that intelligent.
Finally, perhaps for nearly a 1000 years the 10 Northern tribes of Israel did NOT practice "Judaism" and yet they were called Jews by God and His prophets. So the idea that Jews are an ethno-religious set is a blatant LIE and foolishness. I have History, Facts and the Bible on my side while YOU and your man, Frijoles and his rabbis have their TWISTED version of REALITY.
I'm off to church. Study this lesson for today and please don't open your mouth and continue to talk utter nonsense.
I believe that Jews are in a better positon to define themselves than you, a Christian, is.

Would you say you know more about Jamaican culture than I do? should I come along and tell you that have misidentified yourself and record show that you're really Irish?

why do you have such a problem with people born into one religion changing their chosen faith?

Person A - born Irish Catholic - changes to Luteran.

Person B - born Jewish - becomes atheist, but still biologically Jewish.(No longer ethnoreligious Jewish)

Why does this confuse you so?

Why do go to church on Saturday when you're clearly christian?

You're doing it all wrong.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45622 Dec 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I'm always working on the road, douchbag.
Ok, shxt-for-brains, I hear you.

Lots of people work, but then they go home at night.

Why do you sound so angry all the time?

Even our president shed a tear yesterday. Did you?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45623 Dec 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles' Post 45237---An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also UNIFIED by a common religious background.
Historically, this defines the Jewish people.

Thank you for this.

This is correct.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#45625 Dec 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, shxt-for-brains, I hear you.
Lots of people work, but then they go home at night.
Why do you sound so angry all the time?
Even our president shed a tear yesterday. Did you?
Probably doesn't have a home ever since his parents kicked him out of the basement ;-)
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#45626 Dec 15, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Probably doesn't have a home ever since his parents kicked him out of the basement ;-)
They warned him about not sweeping up his Cheeto dust. Endless hours of visiting conspiracy websites (InfoWars etc.) supports a mighty junkfood appetite.
Urm Omma

Tewksbury, MA

#45628 Dec 15, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well i don't know about any of you, but what i am doing is for G-D only. if i did it for jews, Ysrael or any other reason, that would be idolitry. no nation, race, religion, or individual, is worth sacrificing my relationship with G-D for. just so i could patrionize, their not here in TheStory of Creation idolitries.
I see that you personally have a mission for God. Why don't you simply spell out God? I know, you don't want to use the Lords name in vane.

So, seriously, why do we do so much for the Jews and Israel? We being the USA. Why not simply let the ragheads overtake them? Why do we provide them with money to buy weapons from us? Why do we get involved politically? In my mind, I'd be perfectly happy letting the ragheads and the israelis destroy one another. There is over population anyway and none of these countries want peace.

Seems like a better move to allow them all to self destruct and come in after the fact for the oil.

BTW, this has got to be the longest thread on the forum. Nobody on here is brief.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45629 Dec 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles' Post 45237---An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also UNIFIED by a common religious background.
Glad to see you are finally reading our posts.

While we are on the topic, let me ask you, of the religious Jews (not the ethnic-only Jews), what religion do they follow?
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45630 Dec 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you following, son? Many Jews are Secular i.e. without Religion so ethnoreligious or a UNIFIED religious beliefs is nonsense. Also many others have OTHER religions so the concept of a UNIFIED religion makes no sense to even the average. I now speak from memory but the secular Jews are close to 50% of Jews . Get it Einstein?
Congratulations

For the the third time in as many days, you have discovered the notion of an ethnic jew.

Three times - you deserve a lollipop
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45631 Dec 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I'm always working on the road, douchbag.
More likely soneone took away your computing priveledges. I cant understand why.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45632 Dec 15, 2012
In case anyone is wondering where that came from - I recently saw an article titled something to the effect of "911 Truther now claims media controlled by government"

I guess our Volunteerist isnt the independent thinker he is all cracked up to be.

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Voluntarist wrote:
Don't be foolish, you know the media gets government funds.
former res wrote:
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Fox and MSNBC are reading off the same playbook?
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45633 Dec 15, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
A. On WMD s:
Can you name ANY NATION that does not have WMD s? So why pick out only on Muslim countries? If WMD s are bad, then they are bad for every nation and not only Muslim nations.
But I see more than half the time, your sleep is gone thinking about what if….? What if some people stole your stock of WMD and sent it to Isreal? What if they go off accidentally?
What if a crazy commander use it without authorization? Are these not enough worries for your people than to worry about WMD s of Syria, Iran etc.
Now after Saddam has gone, the focus of WMD is now on Syria, now it is "supposed" to have "largest collection of WMD s".
I did not know that how many times you people can play the same broken record and what sort of gullible people you have in your countries?
I think it comes with your types of life style, leave every thing to "experts" and do not use your own brains.

B. Minorities as Scapegoat:
You might be true that minorities are made scapegoat. And why only in the past? Is it not going on right under our noses all the time?
In Palestine?
In Kashmir?
In Myanmar?
In Philippines?
In Europe , USA and Australia?
The ONLY problem is the world turn a "blind eye" when the victims are Muslims…. And go in "Hyper active mode" if the victims be Jews or Christians.

C. Isreal as the ONLY ally:
I do not know what is the "trusted ally" Isreal is. Just criticize it on any issue and be ready to face the "torrent of Insults and taunts and abuses from your Most trusted Ally"!!
The ONLY thing is that you have been "programmed" to tolerate these verbal and other types of abuses from that ally.
After all this is give and take of keeping an ally, is it not. But in case of Israel is not give and take, but take and take and take and take!!

D. Jews not controlling US Media and Film Industry:
People can be naïve, but not as naïve as you seem to look. You ask me to Google about every issue, I am surprised that you did not Google it out to find the real owners and those who pull strings in these channels.
But Jews are not the "Bosom Friends of Christians"…. So what does it matter if Jews control it, or Christians control it or Zionists control it.
A. The issue of WMDs is whether anyone threatens anyone with it. Saadam theatened people. Assad threatened people. Iran threatened people with it. These are problems.

B. You ORIGINALLY asked why historically Jews have been picked on. NOW you are going into political digression. The Jews have nothing to do with Kashmir, Philiipines, etc etc. And you cant blame oppression of the Palestinians for violence against Jews in the middle ages...Focus!

C. Bottom line is whether a country has military and intelligence cooperation. The rest is rhetoric.

D. Jews dont control the media. If we did, we would do a lot better job with it.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45634 Dec 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that Jews are in a better positon to define themselves than you, a Christian, is.
Would you say you know more about Jamaican culture than I do? should I come along and tell you that have misidentified yourself and record show that you're really Irish?
why do you have such a problem with people born into one religion changing their chosen faith?
Person A - born Irish Catholic - changes to Luteran.
Person B - born Jewish - becomes atheist, but still biologically Jewish.(No longer ethnoreligious Jewish)
Why does this confuse you so?
Why do go to church on Saturday when you're clearly christian?
You're doing it all wrong.
Progress has been made. Our Huggy understands the ethno-religious concept. Now he just has to understand the ethnic concept and he will be all set. I have another lollipop in store for when that happens for real.

Ethnic group
An ethnic group is a group of people whose members are identified through a common trait. This can, but does not have to, include an idea of common heritage, a common culture, a shared language or dialect.[1] The group's ethos or ideology may also stress common ancestry and religion, as opposed to an ethnic minority group which refers to race.[2][3][4][5] The process that results in the emergence of an ethnicity is called ethnogenesis. Some ethnic groups are marked by little more than a common name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#45635 Dec 15, 2012
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-432...

Netanyahu voices grief over US school shooting

PM offers condolences over killing rampage, notes Israelis are no strangers to 'cruel acts of slaughter.' Town officials say school principal died as she tried to overtake gunman

As new details from the school massacre in Connecticut slowly emerged, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered his condolences but also drew a parallel between the killing rampage and fatal incidents in Israel.

"We in Israel have experienced such cruel acts of slaughter and we know the shock and agony they bring," he said in a message sent to President Barack Obama.

The prime minister stated he was "shocked and horrified by today's savage massacre of innocent children and adults" and expressed "profound grief" on behalf of himself and the citizens of Israel.

rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45636 Dec 15, 2012
Urm Omma wrote:
<quoted text>
I see that you personally have a mission for God. Why don't you simply spell out God? I know, you don't want to use the Lords name in vane.
So, seriously, why do we do so much for the Jews and Israel? We being the USA. Why not simply let the ragheads overtake them? Why do we provide them with money to buy weapons from us? Why do we get involved politically? In my mind, I'd be perfectly happy letting the ragheads and the israelis destroy one another. There is over population anyway and none of these countries want peace.
Seems like a better move to allow them all to self destruct and come in after the fact for the oil.
BTW, this has got to be the longest thread on the forum. Nobody on here is brief.
rabbee: do i or any one else, not really telling this story we are all here in really have a choice? every book i have ever read, the author determines what the charachters do and say.

however, the book/scroll we are here in, we only get to determine what we say but not what we do. and that is what, is known as free will. so therefore THE-AUTHOR determines what we do, by what we say and think.

so therefore, if we radically change our attitude. then our direction is also changed. so what this nation as a whole says, determines who we are commanded to support or not support. so that even if a minority, does not want to support Ysrael. only has a minimul effect on this nations support as a whole.

and so arab countries, do not support Ysrael because of their attitued against THE-AUTHOR of this story. and in fact they and the rest of this world, have no idea what TheStory we are here in is about. which is the cause of much confusion through diversity in the world.

so quite frankly we do as G-D commands of this world. even if our explaination, does not match why G-D is commanding us to do it. even if we do as, the agents of the devil says. it is still G-D, WHO gave to them their instructions. because of our bad attitude toward G-D. so as long as this world makes all the same mental errors then nothing is going to change for the good of this bad world. and have no idea, they are only hurting themselves with their bad attitude toward G-D.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#45639 Dec 15, 2012
US school shooting: Tearful Barack Obama calls for 'meaningful action'

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/

WASHINGTON: A tearful President Barack Obama said US leaders must "take meaningful action'' regardless of politics in response to the mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.

The president teared up, at times using an index finger to wipe at the corner of his eyes, as he addressed the nation from the White House. He also paused repeatedly as he struggled to keep his composure while speaking of the children, ages 5 to 10, who had died and the life milestones they now would miss.

He said, quote, "Our hearts are broken.''

Shortly before speaking, Obama ordered that US flags be flown at half-staff on public grounds through Tuesday.

Comments (from MUQ):

So now the "Recently elected Lame Duck President" has asked to take "Meaningful Response" on that school shooting Incident. Let us see different scenarios and the "Meaningful Response" that one could take:

A. The Killing was from a Missile or Bomb Attack from any Muslim country in the world:

Meaningful Response:

Launch a full scale war on that country and bring it to "Middle ages" in four or five days. There is no limit on the response. Use any weapons, use Carpet Bombing…

B. The Killing was from a Missile attack or Bomb Attack but the country was Isreal:

Meaningful Response:

It must have been a mistake, otherwise USA never expects that a "friendly nation" like Isreal would do such a heinous crime.

President of USA has "personally asked" the HE the President of Isreal to issue a "written and signed apology" that such an incident shall never be repeated in future. And Israel planes and Missiles shall not treat USA as an "enemy country".

They should plan and execute their "training missions" in so many Non Civilized countries in their neighborhood.

C. The Killing was done by members of any Islamic group:

Meaningful Response:

Impose an "immediate ban" on that Group, and arrest all its members, launch a "punitive Air Strikes" against is head quarters in any country it would be.

Send all the arrested persons to GITMO camp, so they be nor covered any US or International law and hold them captive till they die or commit suicide.

D. The Killing is done by Members of any Extremist Jewish or Christian Group:

Meaningful Response:

The President has "personally asked" US Surgeon General to send a team of "Imminent Mental Doctors" to talk to these people and find out real reason of this "Extremist behaviour".

It is hoped that after an extensive session, most people would see the light and turn the corner and join the main stream.

E. The killing is done by a Single Person which has a Muslim sounding name:

Meaningful Response:

It is these Muslim Migrants who are spoiling our peaceful country. We should stop all immigration of Muslim people to USA. And those Muslims who are in USA must be kept under strict watch.

Their mosques and their assembly halls must be kept under surveillance round the clock.

And Govt. alone cannot do this job (because there are so many Muslims in USA), so we request our peaceful citizens to keep a watch on movement of these Muslims and take proper action or inform police in case they observe any "suspicious movements"….the dedicated numbers to take these calls are 91111 (1000 Lines)

F. If the killing was done by a Jewish or Christian sounding Person:

Meaningful Response:

This was a savage act by an Individual with a sick mentality. It is not the fault of our system. We are investigating as to what provoked such a "nice man" to take this "Extreme step".

We have sympathy to the family members of the accused person who lost one member of their family in such a painful manner.

May God have mercy on his soul, our Christian values tell us not to condemn the Criminal but the Crime…as Jesus said…..blah, blah, blah
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#45640 Dec 15, 2012
onclusion:

And the killings go on as usual, there have been so many incidents in the past, but they will be forgotten.

Only the ones in which any Muslim or Muslim organization was accused to be involved, would be played again and again , just like an old record.
Urm Omma

Tewksbury, MA

#45651 Dec 15, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: do i or any one else, not really telling this story we are all here in really have a choice? every book i have ever read, the author determines what the charachters do and say.
however, the book/scroll we are here in, we only get to determine what we say but not what we do. and that is what, is known as free will. so therefore THE-AUTHOR determines what we do, by what we say and think.
so therefore, if we radically change our attitude. then our direction is also changed. so what this nation as a whole says, determines who we are commanded to support or not support. so that even if a minority, does not want to support Ysrael. only has a minimul effect on this nations support as a whole.
and so arab countries, do not support Ysrael because of their attitued against THE-AUTHOR of this story. and in fact they and the rest of this world, have no idea what TheStory we are here in is about. which is the cause of much confusion through diversity in the world.
so quite frankly we do as G-D commands of this world. even if our explaination, does not match why G-D is commanding us to do it. even if we do as, the agents of the devil says. it is still G-D, WHO gave to them their instructions. because of our bad attitude toward G-D. so as long as this world makes all the same mental errors then nothing is going to change for the good of this bad world. and have no idea, they are only hurting themselves with their bad attitude toward G-D.
Wordy way of saying "I don't know, the only one that knows is God"?
Voluntarist

United States

#45652 Dec 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, shxt-for-brains, I hear you.
Lots of people work, but then they go home at night.
Why do you sound so angry all the time?
Even our president shed a tear yesterday. Did you?
You fell for that act?

What about the innocent children killed by his drones?
Did he cry for them?

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