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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45033 Dec 8, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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As I read your post ONLY one thought keeps repeating itself, DELUSIONAL.
rabbee: well it's tough when you have, two or more napoleons in the looney bin. while each consideres, the other as delusional. as the only gengis khan among them, think their all stupid.
10th LIGHT HORSE WA

Australia

#45034 Dec 8, 2012
Jews say they are persecuted everywhere
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45035 Dec 8, 2012
10th LIGHT HORSE WA wrote:
Jews say they are persecuted everywhere
rabbee: so?
Juice r bad

Chicago, IL

#45036 Dec 8, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: so?
"people who are prosecuted for over 2000 years must be doing something wrong " - Henry Kissinger
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45037 Dec 8, 2012
"Posters who cant take the time to spellcheck are definitely doing something wrong"

Frijoles
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45038 Dec 8, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Did I say that I could read Hebrew? NO
Learn this well known fact, there is something called TRANSLATIONS.
The Complete Jewish Bible on-line is a TRANSLATION. I know that you did not know this but that is consistent with your ignorance about many things.
And with the translations come the multiple interpretations.
such as yours.

next time dont make the error declaring you know anything about the Jewish religion by your participation on this forum

You are excused for this one error.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45039 Dec 8, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS SCREAMING OUT.
Think for a change, I am reincarnated and yet I have no knowledge of it yet others know about MY OWN experience/reincarnation.
Don't you THINK?
So, thats your litmus test for certainty?

I KNOW you were a dung beetle in your last life.

Do you feel better now?
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45040 Dec 8, 2012
Abdalla Ovadia Cohen wrote:
@Frijoles
Don't get me wrong .
The jewish homeland is Israel , since 3800 years ago.
Much before Colombus took a cruise to America or much before the pagan tribes became muslim .
Thanks for the post. It was informative.

FR was correct. We were differing on semantics, but not concept.

Though I am intrigued that the last one true Jew is not shomer shabbas. Ever read about the last 2 Jews in Afghanistan?

I agree (to a point) that we are closer to Arab culture than European culture. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt be nice to the rest of the world.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45041 Dec 8, 2012
Mashaal: Hamas won't recognize Israel
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-431...

"The West Bank, Gaza Strip and Israeli Arabs are united in the path of resistance, Jihad and the shahids," he told the elated masses....

"Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he said.

"We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."

The politburo chief continued: "Jihad and the armed resistance is the only true path to liberation."

He congratulated the militants who were able to target cities in central Israel, saying that "We don't kill Jews because they are Jews. We kill the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to kill anyone who takes our land and our holy places.

----------
nice guy, huh?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45042 Dec 8, 2012
Juice r bad wrote:
<quoted text>
"people who are prosecuted for over 2000 years must be doing something wrong " - Henry Kissinger
rabbee: i am not concerned, with what mental migets think. even if it happens to be another alleged as a jew. the whole rest of the world, has never been right with G-D.

at least the ones claimed to be the jews. but at least a few, have truly been there a few times. and that is more than i can say, for the rest of this obstinate and stiffnecked world.

and what makes you think, that even kissinger was ever true to G-D?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#45043 Dec 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
"Posters who cant take the time to spellcheck are definitely doing something wrong"
Frijoles
The DA on that case sure was taking his time "prosecuting" the Jews.
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45044 Dec 8, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The DA on that case sure was taking his time "prosecuting" the Jews.
Not to worry, thats because we control the courts...
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45045 Dec 8, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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and what makes you think, that even kissinger was ever true to G-D?
and what makes you think, that even kissinger was ever true?
Urm Omma

Bedford, MA

#45046 Dec 8, 2012
Funny how so many people hate the US, but want to come here or be just like us.
Urm Omma

Bedford, MA

#45047 Dec 8, 2012
So, I'm curious. Why does the US care and help Israel so much? Weapons. Money. Backing. What resource is in Israel that we have such a great interest in? I see that all of Israel's neighbors have oil. Is Israel simply a good place to attack from if it comes to that?

I get the Holy Land and all of that good stuff, but is there any other reason?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#45048 Dec 8, 2012
Hugh Be wrote:
MUQ---I know NUTTY and CORRUPT men are the problem

HughBe--- Thank you MUQ for understanding the issue. Case closed.

MUQ--No Mr. Hugh Be,Just identifying Corrupt and NUTTY is not the end of matter, it is just the beginning!!

HughBe--- Certainly identifying the problem cannot be the solution to it but it is the FIRST step.

MUQ--Why are you running away from discussion?

HughBe--- I'm not

MUQ---On the other hand I see that you carry on “endless and perpetual discussions” with other people?
Why double standards, might I ask?

HUghBe--There is no double standard. The thing is some other posters communicate more often with me for a variety of reasons including ATTACKING my views. As a result there are more frequent and greater exchanges with them and also greater familiarity which makes me feel free to ask them anything.

Take my boy Frijoles, just recently I asked him about his DREAMS the fellow did not answer. He was too shy it seems.
Ans.

So let us go ahead with our discussion. Who is nutter and who is corrupt.

How to identify them and isolate them, so people can have peace in the land.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#45049 Dec 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
1.

You wouldn’t know anything about running away from a discussion, would you?

2.

Thank you for admitting it. Jews are the original Palestinians.

3.

Deflection. the point was, that if someone is firing missiles and sending suicide bombers over to you, the rational response is to fight back.

I don’t Israel begging for peace - they haven’t done it in the past. Time is not on the Palestinian side.

4.

yes, or no: Does the PA have a police force?
yes or no: Does the PA have an economy?

5.

Doesn’t add to the discussion

Zionism is a part of the religion, it predates the current conflict by about 3000 years. Its in the Jewish prayers which are at least that old. The notion that Zionism started in the 1880s is not accurate. Its been around a few thousand years BEFORE Mohammed.

6.

our list is exaggerated. For example, infants don’t get killed on a "daily" basis...assination of leaders isn’t just done by Israel etc etc...

The point is that you stated that Israelis were nutty and that the Palestinians were not. There is NOTHING in my original list of Palestinian nuttines that you can refute with a straight face. Nada.

7. So you sympathize with suicide bombers? I thought you had morals?
Ans.

A. Running Away: Why would I know about it? But there is difference between running away and from “closing a discussion”. When we have a couple of mails putting forward our views, there might be much advantage in continuing “endless and perpetual discussion” on the same issue.

B. Jews being “original Palestinians”: You must be working in the “twisting department” if you derived that meaning form my post.

I said when Jews came near the land of Palestine, it was already populated with millions of inhabitants. Whom Jews killed in millions and dispossessed them.

There modern day children did exactly the same thing!! When they came to the land of Palestine it was populated by millions of people, who were living there for 1200 years.

C. Sending Missiles and rockets: If I was you, I would look what is the root cause of the problem and try to solve it. Why would some one try to blow himself, unless there was some valid reason behind it?

C1. Israel not begging for peace: I said a time will come, when they will beg for peace. Time will tell, on whose side it is. What has happened to Jews so many times in their history, why it could not be repeated?

D. PA and Police Force: Yes I know the type of Police force they have, whose headquarter is “routinely surrounded” by Israeli Army. That is the sort of “policing” you want them to have?

E. So now Zionism has become part of religion? So Jihad is also part of Islamic religion, why should you complain?

F. Infants being killed daily: So you are “happy” or “sorry” that they are not being killed on daily basis? In your media it might not be “News” any more, but in our TV s we see them almost every day.

Assassination of many HAMAS and PLO and PA people has been done by Israel and they even boast about it. It seems you only read selected portion for the news.

G. I said Jews were nutty? I never said that, it is yet to be agreed who is Nutty and who is corrupt.

H. I sympathize with Suicide Bombers?

My stand is very clear, I am against killing of any innocent man, women and children, irrespective of which religion, nationality or ethnicity it might be.

In my eyes, a suicide bomber who blows himself to kill innocent men, women and children, is as guilty as a Pilot who fires missiles and bombs into civilian populated areas. Both of them knowingly kill innocent men, women and children.

This is the moral I have.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#45050 Dec 8, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-2

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : IKRIMAH BIN ABU JAHL BIN HISHAM OF MAKHZOOM TRIBE

A. Early History:

Ikrimah was the son of Most Hateful of all enemies of Makkan enemies of our prophet. His father was Famous Abu Jahl, who was avowed enemy of prophet. Both father and son were hardcore enemies of prophet during his stay in Makkah.

His father used to physically torture early Muslims and he even killed the first two earliest Muslims slaves in Makkah.

Ikrimah , was young, warrior and an accomplished youth of Makkah. But he inherited the enmity of prophet from his father.

When his famed father was killed in the famous Battle of Badr, his hatred for Islam and Prophet only went on high gear.

B. After death of His father:

In the battle of Ohud, he took part in the battle and was incharge of the one flank of front cavalry section of Makkan army. When the tide of battle turned against Muslims, he and Khalid were the reason for that turn.

He took part in the Battle of Trenches that took place in 5AH, and he was at the rear of Makkan retreating army, to protect it from being attacked.

When prophet conquered Makkah in 8 AH, Ikrimah was the one, who attacked one of Muslim army’s division, he fled after loss of 7 or so dead.

C. How did prophet “slay” him:

Due to his crimes against Muslim, Prophet did not name Ikrimah in the general amnesty which he extended to most of Makkah people.

Ikrimah fled Makkah, fearing for his life and boarded a ship to take him to Abyssinia. While he was in ship, a storm engulfed the ship….Ikriamah beseeched his idols , Lat and Uzzah for deliverance….his companions of ship told him “In these situations, Lat and Uzzah are of no help…..you should call on Allah only, He alone can give you deliverance”!!

Ikrimah was shocked to hear this, He said “that is what the Prophet is preaching, how fool I was all these days, if I am safe from this storm, I will go and accept his faith”

Meanwhile his wife approached prophet and said “My husband has fled Makkah in fear of his life, will you grant him pardon also, prophet agreed to her request and asked her to bring him back, he gave her, his turban as a sign for pardon.

His wife found her returning husband, and they came to prophet, on seeing Ikrimah, prophet rose from his seat and embraced him, Ikrimah accepted Islam and became a true Muslim.

(Contd.)


Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#45051 Dec 8, 2012
D. His life after Islam:

In order to save him embarrassment, prophet told his companions, that no one should criticize his father, when he is around.

He was a warrior and very good soldier with leadership skills. Prophet used him on many missions and after his death, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph used him in all major battles to curb internal strife in Arabia, after death of prophet.

He took part in the famous Battle of Yamamah against false prophet Muslaimah. He also took part in Iraqi campaigns.

During the reign of Second Caliph Omar, he was part of Muslim army in the famous battle of Yarmouk. He was leading one faction of army along with Khalid bin Waleed.

The Muslim army was outnumbered atleast one to five in that battle and fighting continued for three days and more.

When Muslim armies were feeling too much pressure, Ikrimah stood up and said “I have faought many battles against the prophet and never turned my back, how can I turned my back against these unbelievers? Who will take a pledge of Death with me?”

Four hundred of his fellows took the pledge and they attacked enemies and turned the tide against them, they all died in the battle field one after other, including Ikrimah!!

Dying Ikrimah was brought to the commander Khalid bin Waleed, who gave him water and took his head on his lap and said “you fulfilled the pledge which you took to the prophet”.

Such was Ikrimah, whom prophet “Killed using his Sword”!!
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45052 Dec 8, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
So let us go ahead with our discussion. Who is nutter and who is corrupt.
How to identify them and isolate them, so people can have peace in the land.
Mashaal: Hamas won't recognize Israel
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-431 ...

"The West Bank, Gaza Strip and Israeli Arabs are united in the path of resistance, Jihad and the shahids," he told the elated masses....

"Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he said.

"We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."

The politburo chief continued: "Jihad and the armed resistance is the only true path to liberation."

He congratulated the militants who were able to target cities in central Israel, saying that "We don't kill Jews because they are Jews. We kill the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to kill anyone who takes our land and our holy places.

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