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#44776
Dec 3, 2012
 
Geithner: Raise U.S. debt limit to
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(NaturalNews) The elaborate Ponzi scheme officially known as
the U.S. financial system is set to completely transform into a
Monopoly-style fantasy economy where money and debt are both
meaningless and limitless. U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy
Geithner has actually come out with a proposal that the
American debt ceiling be completely eliminated, allowing the
crooks that run the federal government to print as much phony
debt currency as their hearts desire, and spend away into
oblivion.
During a recent interview on Bloomberg TV, Geithner told
Political Capital's Al Hunt that the Congressionally-established
debt ceiling, which was specifically designed to establish
reasonable limits on the amount of money the federal
government can borrow, should be completely abolished. Even
though Congress is the only entity that can make such a decision,
Geithner expressed his belief that the limit be scrapped to avoid
its being used as "a tool for political advantage."
"It would have been time a long time ago to eliminate it," said a
nervous Geithner to Hunt, after being asked when he believed
the debt ceiling should be eliminated. "The sooner the better."
The so-called debt ceiling is virtually meaningless anyway, as
Congress has already voted dozens of times in years past to raise
it every time the national debt approaches a breach. But a
permanent lifting of any sort of debt ceiling will officially seal the
deal, and drive the last nail in the coffin for the American
economy, which is today built solely on debt rather than actual
monetary currency.
Geithner proposal part of 'Cloward-Piven'
strategy to collapse national economy
Geithner's suggestion also seems to follow the playbook of the
infamous Cloward-Piven strategy to the tee, which is built on the
idea of intentionally crashing the existing U.S. economy for the
purpose of rebuilding it in the image of socialist ideals. Part of
this strategy includes deliberately destroying the nation's
currency by accumulating large amounts of unsustainable debt ,
none of which can ever truly be paid off and settled.
"The [Cloward-Piven strategy] taught that if you flooded the
welfare rolls and bankrupted the cities and ultimately the nation,
it would foster economic collapse, which would lead to political
turmoil so severe that socialism would be accepted as a fix to an
out-of-control set of circumstances," wrote Jeannie DeAngelis for
American Thinker about this malevolent agenda.
"Combine class warfare, demonizing the rich, getting as many
people onto the welfare rolls as possible, and pushing the
economic system to collapse and you have a flawless formula for
Cloward-Piven 2.0."
This appears to be the precise strategy behind eliminating the
debt ceiling, as federal government controllers would truly have a
limitless bank account from which to continue swelling the
welfare state and spending the nation into complete collapse.
And once the system eventually collapses in on itself, as planned,
the masses will be begging for their own enslavement in the form
of full nanny state provisions and complete government tyranny.
Frijoles

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#44778
Dec 4, 2012
 
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As per Islamic teachings, Muslims are ONE nation, irrespective of where they live.
The same way you have "all the sympathies" with Jews of Israel, even if you do not live there.
Last time I checked, the Palestinian Authority was not a muslim nation or a refuge for all muslims. Their authenticity was based upon the refugee crisis, not religious pilgrimage. Perhaps that is part of the problem there. Confused goals.

Are Muslims a people? What are your rules of descent? Your initiation rites? I think of Islam as a expanding world religion, like Christianity, without the trappings of a people with a historical ethnicity.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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...I agree that world opinion does have an effect - evidence the UN vote. So I cant predict how this would play out, except to note at the end of the day everyones attention will be back to Syria and Egypt, as usual. And there is a fair likelihood that Israel will launch a preemptive strike on the Syrian chem weapon stockpile. All of this may take the pressure off of Israel regarding the "settlements".
An attack on Syria (or Iran for that matter) would certainly distract attention from the settlements.

Do you ever see peace in the area, in our lifetimes or beyond?

That alone might keep me from ever wanting to live over there.

Plus the heat.
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#44784
Dec 4, 2012
 
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe-- doubt that as God, in my view, would make someone a billionaire if it would bring glory to his name. Billionaires as a rule would not qualify.
God exists only "in your view" and in your mind. You alone get to decide what he would and wouldn't do or think. That is because you and your fellow followers of the myth have created him in your own minds.

"If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated."
Voltaire
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe-- opinion notes
Note the word "opinion." I rest my case.
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Who was Daniel and what exactly did he predict and when?
HughBe-- A Prophet of God. God said this about him "Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee"
Recall you have internet so google the rest.
A what of who??

More gobbledygook.

Sloppy thinking. Staighten up!
Frijoles

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#44785
Dec 4, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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Yes the Muslims have also got bitten by the "nationalist" bug form the western nations.
What we are seeing before us is the result of the same bug.
If European Nations can become one nation on the basis of Christianity (it is a well guarded secret though, they do not speak so in public and news media and electronic media does not comment on it much).... then why can't Muslim nations join on the basis of Islam.
Thats fine, but please leave us Jews out of it (your conflict with the Christians).

All we want is our land as per our ethnic roots. And if the local Arabs are nice (i.e. no missiles or suicide bombers) then they can get their homeland as well, right next to us.

Lets leave out "the pushing the Jews into the sea" part of it, or any neo-Islamic nationalism.
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#44786
Dec 4, 2012
 
former res wrote:
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An attack on Syria (or Iran for that matter) would certainly distract attention from the settlements.
Do you ever see peace in the area, in our lifetimes or beyond?
That alone might keep me from ever wanting to live over there.
Plus the heat.
Pessimistically, I dont think the chances are good. Too many pawns. Too much socialization. Both parties have to value life first over martyrdom, and its not clear that the majority of one of the parties does.

The weather isnt so bad. Only a third of the country is desert, you know. And there are beaches.

Also, despite what you hear on the media, the country is very safe. Very modern. More modern than the US - probably more like Asia.
HughBe

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Dec 4, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Its more complicated I think these days. Your spouse has to be recognized as a Jew by the Israeli rabbinate I think. The Israeli rabbinate is nuts.(Rightwing and corrupt).
Frijoles---Its more complicated I think these days. Your spouse has to be recognized as a Jew by the Israeli rabbinate I think. The Israeli rabbinate is NUTS.(Rightwing and CORRUPT).

HughBe--- Accepted. YOUR TRUTHS are reflected in their man-made doctrines which are NUTS and utterly CORRUPT and is a fulfilment of the prophecy of Moses.

The veil is being lifted from your eyes.
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#44788
Dec 4, 2012
 
former res wrote:
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God exists only "in your view" and in your mind. You alone get to decide what he would and wouldn't do or think. That is because you and your fellow followers of the myth have created him in your own minds.
"If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated."
Voltaire
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Note the word "opinion." I rest my case.
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A what of who??
More gobbledygook.
Sloppy thinking. Staighten up!
Former--God exists only "in your view" and in your MIND.

HughBe--- a statement that reflects the state of your mind.

Former-- You alone get to decide what he would and wouldn't do or think. That is because you and your fellow followers of the myth have created him in your own minds.

HughBe--- previously,see above, you said that He was ONLY in my MIND. Now He is also in the minds of others.

I know Him and so I am in a position to know what He thinks and will do but not in ALL things.

Former---"If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated."
Voltaire

HughBe--- I have accepted His revelation about Himself. You and your man Voltaire have created your own god.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
Frijoles, were you in agreement with your "wife" in terms who was to be new President of America in 2012?
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Dec 4, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Last time I checked, the Palestinian Authority was not a muslim nation or a refuge for all muslims. Their authenticity was based upon the refugee crisis, not religious pilgrimage. Perhaps that is part of the problem there. Confused goals.
Are Muslims a people? What are your rules of descent? Your initiation rites? I think of Islam as a expanding world religion, like Christianity, without the trappings of a people with a historical ethnicity.
List the elements of ehtnicity.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
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List the elements of ehtnicity.
Google is a powerful tool. Try it.
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#44792
Dec 4, 2012
 
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles, were you in agreement with your "wife" in terms who was to be new President of America in 2012?
You mean the U.S.A.? We dont care about your fledging island.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---Its more complicated I think these days. Your spouse has to be recognized as a Jew by the Israeli rabbinate I think. The Israeli rabbinate is NUTS.(Rightwing and CORRUPT).
HughBe--- Accepted. YOUR TRUTHS are reflected in their man-made doctrines which are NUTS and utterly CORRUPT and is a fulfilment of the prophecy of Moses.
The veil is being lifted from your eyes.
Hints of your Jeremiah complex are peaking out again this morning.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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How can you say that, considering the fact that the land was to be taken from us and we had to be driven out, how come we do not look at the terms of the Covenant?
In which court of the law, the covenant would be kept secret and the party which is to be evicted will not be shown the covenant and comment on it?
Religious or non religious, let us see the terms of covenant and find out what religious or non religious duties were imposed on both parties.
If one party is clearly violating each and every term of that covenant, then their claims have to be rejected, summarily by any court. Unless the court could be one of the Kangaroo courts!!
How come a reasonable person like you, becomes so unreasonable when we discuss something so simple, so trivial and so basic.
If the people wanted to return to the land of covenant, to establish a truly religious society, the one which their covenant demanded, it would have been a totally different situation.
The propblem that you have in mind is not connected directly to the terms of the covenant. Frijoles captures the root of the problem i.e. NUTTY and CORRUPT men. This is the problem.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
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You mean the U.S.A.? We dont care about your fledging island.
HughBe---Frijoles, were you in agreement with your "wife" in terms who was to be new President of America in 2012?

Frijoles---You mean the U.S.A.? We dont care about your fledging island.

HughBe--- I mean just what I asked i.e. new President of America in 2012.

When you speak about don't care, who are the WE? Is it Americans? Is it Judaites?

Oh, "gifted" we don't have a PRESIDENT here.
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Frijoles wrote:
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Hints of your Jeremiah complex are peaking out again this morning.
Frijoles---Its more complicated I think these days. Your spouse has to be recognized as a Jew by the Israeli rabbinate I think. The Israeli rabbinate is NUTS.(Rightwing and CORRUPT).

HughBe--- Accepted. YOUR TRUTHS are reflected in their man-made doctrines which are NUTS and utterly CORRUPT and is a fulfilment of the prophecy of Moses.
The veil is being lifted from your eyes.

Frijoles--Hints of your Jeremiah complex are peaking out again this morning.

HughBe--- Are YOU and IDIOT or a JACKASS? were YOU not the one who called your rabbis NUTS and CORRUPT? What do YOU expect from something CORRUPT except CORRUPTION? So, once again are you an IDIOT or a JACKASS?
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HughBe---Frijoles, were you in agreement with your "wife" in terms who was to be new President of America in 2012?
Frijoles---You mean the U.S.A.? We dont care about your fledging island.
HughBe--- I mean just what I asked i.e. new President of America in 2012.
When you speak about don't care, who are the WE? Is it Americans? Is it Judaites?
Oh, "gifted" we don't have a PRESIDENT here.
You live in a mentally tortured universe, and I wish you luck with that.
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Google is a powerful tool. Try it.
I don't blame you, you ejaculate your BS and because YOU know that you are trapped you come with your BS. Do you think that I cannot list the elements of ETHNICITY and use them to expose your CS?

I shall but not now.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...

A majority of Americans say that if the country goes over the fiscal cliff on Dec. 31, congressional Republicans should bear the brunt of the blame, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll, the latest sign that the GOP faces a perilous path on the issue between now and the end of the year.
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HughBe wrote:
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Former--God exists only "in your view" and in your MIND.
HughBe--- a statement that reflects the state of your mind.
Reality is not so bad if you're willing to give it a try.
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- previously,see above, you said that He was ONLY in my MIND. Now He is also in the minds of others.
"Herd mentality describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors, follow trends, and/or purchase items. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, fashions in apparel, cars, taste in music, superstition, religion, home décor, etc. Social psychologists study the related topics of group intelligence, crowd wisdom, and decentralized decision making."
HughBe wrote:
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I know Him and so I am in a position to know what He thinks and will do but not in ALL things.
You just threw that in there so as not to sound totally insane.(No one can know EVERYTHING even their own creation is thinking.)
HughBe wrote:
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You and your man Voltaire have created your own god.
Do either of us sound like someone with a god?

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