Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Frijoles

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HughBe---Indeed, the covenant with the land has conditions and they are plainly stated.
Frijoles--What right do you have to live in Jamaica? What did you do with your indigenous?
HughBe--- Do you understand the matter? Of course NOT. We are talking about covenant. I have no such covenant for Jamaica.
I am going to be kind to you and not ask you what RIGHT do you have to live in the US. Anyhow, my right comes from the fact that I am born here and as such I am a Jamaican and that title gives me the right.
As I have said, previously, I ATE the women and I shall now add that the men died out in part because they had no female to reproduce with plus you poisoned them with your pencil.
Have a blessed day.
Understood. You beg off the question of imperialism.

And as a result you have NO standing to opine regarding the Jewish tie to their homeland.

You need to preach what you practice.
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Frijoles wrote:
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It occurred to me that....
...the fact we have a ideologically committed Christian discussing Jewish theology with an ideologically committed muslim, NEITHER who have any clue or familiarity with the subject at hand due to language, ideology, and cultural divides,...
...is a GOOD ENOUGH reason ALONE for the need for a Jewish homeland for Jews to escape this nonsense.
George Marshall advised Truman against it and there has been no peace since (or before for that matter).

Much sympathy for the Jewish people after the war; and guilt too. Rightfully so.

What do you think of Obama's previous suggestion of '67 borders of course with land swaps?
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former res wrote:
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George Marshall advised Truman against it and there has been no peace since (or before for that matter).
Much sympathy for the Jewish people after the war; and guilt too. Rightfully so.
What do you think of Obama's previous suggestion of '67 borders of course with land swaps?
Obama,even though he caught lots of flack, didnt say anything that hadnt been official US policy in the preceeding admins

Bill CLinton said it concisely around 2002 - to the effect of: At the end of the day there is only ONE possible configuration for a solution. He figured it out to the last acre in his last ditch attempt at solving it during the waning moments of his presidency. The ISraelis know this, as well as the pragmatic of the Palestinians. The land swaps are all known.

The problem is that no Palestinian leader is willing to admit to their people that the right of return will never happen. Compensation can happen, but Israel proper will NEVER absorb the descendents of the original Palestinians.

Even Jerusalem is solveable. East Jerusalem minus the holy sites to the Palestinians.
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I forgot to say that Clintons ONE solution was the 67 line with land swap.

BTW the 67 line was never a legal border. The only legal border is the 1949 armistice line. Its the Palestinians who keep claiming the 67 is a border (and everyone else using the terminology out of laziness) since it is a better deal for them than the 49 lines, and because they dont want to recognize past history.
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The problem is that no Palestinian leader is willing to admit to their people that the right of return will never happen. Compensation can happen, but Israel proper will NEVER absorb the descendents of the original Palestinians.
Even Jerusalem is solveable. East Jerusalem minus the holy sites to the Palestinians.
Also, the longer the Pals refuse to give up on the right of return, the longer the logjam, which empowers the segment of the Israeli society that DOESNT want a Pal state (the settlers) by giving them time to establish "facts on the ground" in unhelpul areas.....
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Frijoles wrote:
I forgot to say that Clintons ONE solution was the 67 line with land swap.
BTW the 67 line was never a legal border. The only legal border is the 1949 armistice line. Its the Palestinians who keep claiming the 67 is a border (and everyone else using the terminology out of laziness) since it is a better deal for them than the 49 lines, and because they dont want to recognize past history.
The pandering right (Fox News et al) vilified Obama and conveniently left the part about land swaps out of what he said, or so it sounded like to me.

In any case, Bibi potested the statement:

The Israeli government immediately protested, saying that for Israel to return to its pre-1967 borders would leave it “indefensible.” Mr. Netanyahu held an angry phone conversation with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday before the speech, officials said, in which he demanded that the president’s reference to 1967 borders be cut.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middl...
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#44596
Dec 2, 2012
 
Let israel fight their own fights. They've been warinf for a long time. The US needs to pull all support out. It's easy to fight with everyone when you got Big Bro loaded and ready.
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The pandering right (Fox News et al) vilified Obama and conveniently left the part about land swaps out of what he said, or so it sounded like to me.
In any case, Bibi potested the statement:
The Israeli government immediately protested, saying that for Israel to return to its pre-1967 borders would leave it “indefensible.” Mr. Netanyahu held an angry phone conversation with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday before the speech, officials said, in which he demanded that the president’s reference to 1967 borders be cut.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middl...
Bibi did. He also brought Israel and US to the brink of a major argument regarding Iran, causing a near revolt of the other Israeli leaders, which caused him to back off. Bottom line is that Bibi doesnt have full support for what he says.

Fox wasnt alone either. A lot of Jews were very uncomfortable with that statement until it later got reported in its entirety, and when people realized that it was no change in policy.

However, Obama has been no friend to Israel with regard to Jerusalem, he instructed the state dept not to recognize Jerusalem on passports, which has been a thorn in the side of all Jews, liberal and rightwing, and especially those dual citizens born in Jerusalem (their birth city isnt recognized by the US). THis long standing issue primed a lot of Jews NOT to give Obama the benefit of doubt initially with the 67 quote.
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#44598
Dec 2, 2012
 
Drop the Jews. Let them fight on their own.
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Frijoles wrote:
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It occurred to me that....
...the fact we have a ideologically committed Christian discussing Jewish theology with an ideologically committed muslim, NEITHER who have any clue or familiarity with the subject at hand due to language, ideology, and cultural divides,...
...is a GOOD ENOUGH reason ALONE for the need for a Jewish homeland for Jews to escape this nonsense.
Clealy the discussion went over your head, as usual.
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Frijoles wrote:
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It occurred to me that....
...the fact we have a ideologically committed Christian discussing Jewish theology with an ideologically committed muslim, NEITHER who have any clue or familiarity with the subject at hand due to language, ideology, and cultural divides,...
...is a GOOD ENOUGH reason ALONE for the need for a Jewish homeland for Jews to escape this nonsense.
One more thought. YOU have no commitment or loyalty to America. I could not get YOU to call yourself an American, so why don't you pack your bags and GO, to your homeland?

I am sure that it is your intention to go home, so what is stopping you? Is it that you are too poor to afford the fare?
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Nuke 'em
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Understood. You beg off the question of imperialism.
And as a result you have NO standing to opine regarding the Jewish tie to their homeland.
You need to preach what you practice.
Frijoles---And as a result you have NO standing to opine regarding the Jewish tie to their homeland.

HughBe--- Had I been a Judaite then I would not have had the RIGHT to THINK and to have an opinion. YOU know this from personal experience. YOUR rabbis don't permit you to THINK. They THINK for YOU.

However, I am not a member of your Judaite club and there is NO POWER on earth that can prevent me from having an OPINION on any matter. I mean NO power, no JUDAITE, no country, nobody.

Now, ask for help in understaning the wisdom in my post below.

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MUQ---So, when some one demands title to any land based on the covenant, WE must verify did they complete their part of the covenant or not?

HughBe--- WE who?

MUQ---If they have not fulfilled their part of the covenant, what right they have to demand "Title for the land" based on the covenant?

HughBe--- The covenant is between the covenant makers. It is the AGGRIEVED party to the covenant that will determine whether or not the other party has fulfilled their part of the covenant.

MUQ--I hope you understand the situation here.

HughBe--- Yes, I understand. This is it, parties who are NOT a part of the covenant want to be judge and mediators without being invited to do so.

MUQ--- People are claiming Title for the land without fulfilling ANY of the condition of the Original Covenant.

HughBe--- That is really the concern of the AGGRIEVED party to the covenant. Besides, it is somewhat impossible to fulfill the conditions of the covenant outside of the land.

MUQ---Is their stand justified? Logically, reasonably? Legally? Morally

HughBe--- These are questions that are to be addressed by the AGGRIEVED party, to the covenant.
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One more thought. YOU have no commitment or loyalty to America. I could not get YOU to call yourself an American, so why don't you pack your bags and GO, to your homeland?
I am sure that it is your intention to go home, so what is stopping you? Is it that you are too poor to afford the fare?
You sound bitter.

Do I threaten you?

Does the practice of my religion threaten you?
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Clealy the discussion went over your head, as usual.
Doesnt change the fact you are being a busybody.
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That's a real clown answer.
So if it walks like a clown and talks like a clown, it must be a clown.
Indeed my answer was a clown one but your suggestion about me doing donkeys was WISDOM, your moronic wisdom.
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Indeed my answer was a clown one but your suggestion about me doing donkeys was WISDOM, your moronic wisdom.
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You sound bitter.
Do I threaten you?
Does the practice of my religion threaten you?
YOU refuse to call yourself an AMERICAN. I have history on my side to prove it. So, why don't YOU leave the US and go home?

I am not surprised by your bitter comment but you have to console yourself with BS.

YOU and your kind CANNOT threaten me, if YOU are so foolish to do so I shall respond appropriately.

Your religion is based on LIES it is a THREAT to the Jewish people and their WAY to God and their mental FREEDOM.
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Doesnt change the fact you are being a busybody.
You may recall your comment about me having a discussion with another poster. Now, I am unaware that your cup was turned over, so who is the busybody?
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One more thought. YOU have no commitment or loyalty to America.
How do you pledge loyalty to a CONTINENT?

Thats as absurd as SamBees notion of Moses being African.

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