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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Broomall, PA

#44315 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Your drive isn't about protecting individual rights it is about your hatred of religion, you are a religaphobe.
so what you're saying is: You're doing the right thing but for the wrong reason.

Is defending the Constitution EVER wrong?

That's like Biden who says he is personally Catholic and anti-choice but would not impose that on others.

I think he is doing the right thing (though I personally am prochoice anyway)

Since: Aug 11

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#44316 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Thank you for you wisdom and input. Let me work with your properly formed question and so YOU tell me about the covenant in brief.
Which covenant are we talking about? Wiki lists several:

1 Noahic covenant
2 Abrahamic covenant
3 Mosaic covenant
4 Priestly covenant
5 Davidic covenant
6 New Covenant in Judaism
7 New Covenant in Christianity
former res

Broomall, PA

#44317 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Take your head out of that hole.
What if I enjoy the view from up there?!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44318 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Your drive isn't about protecting individual rights it is about your hatred of religion, you are a religaphobe.
A feeble response from a feeble mind in an effort to side step my points regarding the constitutionality of the situation.

I don't hate religion any more than I hate mythology, fantasy fiction, or any other made up stories. In fact, I find them quite entertaining.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44319 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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By George I think you have it.
Now just think of the flipside and your thinking will be complete.
A Jew can be BOTH a religious/spiritual Jew AND a bio-Jew.
OR he could be just one or the other.
What is your next area of confustion?
Let me lighten your darkness. The issue here is that you are failing to grasp that a BIOLOGICAL Jew will ALWAYS be a Jew regardless of whether or not he worships graven image as the 10 tribes PERPETUALLY did. What they worship does not take away from them being JEWS. Are your masters greater than God in your mind? Why then do you esteem their LIES above the plain words of God?

Listen to God. Ask for help in understanding the words, please.

Step 1---"The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the JEWS which dwell in the land of Egypt"

Did you see the word JEWS?

Steo 2---"ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto OTHER gods in the land of Egypt"

Do see the worship of IDOLS? Yet God called them JEWS.

Step 3--They are not humbled even unto this day, neither have they feared, nor walked in my law, nor in my statutes, that I set before you and before your fathers

Do you see that they were not following "Judaism"? If not get your head checked.

Step 4--Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense UNTO other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, WE will NOT hearken unto thee.

Do you understand the words WE WILL NOT HEARKEN? Yet God called them JEWS.

Stop wasting my time.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44320 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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so what you're saying is: You're doing the right thing but for the wrong reason.
Is defending the Constitution EVER wrong?
That's like Biden who says he is personally Catholic and anti-choice but would not impose that on others.
I think he is doing the right thing (though I personally am prochoice anyway)
I'm not sure he even knows what he's saying. He's just trying to squirm out of the debate. In the past, he has been quick to bring up the Constitution or other points of law such as Corpus Delecti (his personal favorite). Now he's trying to downplay the Constitution because it doesn't support his viewpoint on this one topic.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44321 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Which covenant are we talking about? Wiki lists several:
1 Noahic covenant
2 Abrahamic covenant
3 Mosaic covenant
4 Priestly covenant
5 Davidic covenant
6 New Covenant in Judaism
7 New Covenant in Christianity
NOW--Culti---Which covenant are we talking about? Wiki lists several:

BEFORE--Culti----Did the Israelites record a covenant which they claim came from a god?"

HughBe---Thank you for you wisdom and input. Let me work with your properly formed question and so YOU tell me about the covenant in brief.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44322 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
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What if I enjoy the view from up there?!
SOMETHING would be WRONG.
Voluntarist

United States

#44323 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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So,you don't agree that the government should be impartial with regards to showing religious preference? Very interesting. What other parts of the Constitution do you disagree with? We'll have to try and remember this the next time YOU invoke the constitution to make a point, something you've done quite often in the past.
Regarding your second point, I don't see how comparing the Constitution with religion makes any sense. The Constitution is merely a document that lays the foundational government and legal framework for this nation. It's by no means perfect, but the beauty of it is that it can be changed via amendments. If you don't like the constitution and the guidelines is sets, why do you live here? You have the option to leave.
It is your belief in a piece of paper that is comparable to belief in the Bible.

Your belief in government is equally comparable, as your belief in states and citizens, just words on paper.
Voluntarist

United States

#44324 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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A feeble response from a feeble mind in an effort to side step my points regarding the constitutionality of the situation.
I don't hate religion any more than I hate mythology, fantasy fiction, or any other made up stories. In fact, I find them quite entertaining.
Then you find government entertaining?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44325 Nov 29, 2012
former res wrote:
Huggy
"A Jew can be BOTH a religious/spiritual Jew AND a bio-Jew."
BTW, you have agreed to this.
And this is the meaning of "ethnoreigious" which you claim to not understand.
Being Irish is not this, nor is being Jamaican.
Former---Huggy

"A Jew can be BOTH a religious/spiritual(JUDAISM) Jew AND a bio-Jew(RACE)."

And this is the meaning of "ethnoreigious" which you claim to not understand.

HughBe--- Learn this YOU are comparing RACE/Jew and RELIGION/Judaism with Nationality i.e.Irish.

Jews can be Irish? did you know this?

So you could have an Irish man who is Jew/RACE who is RELIGIOUS/ Judaism

In like manner you could have an Irish man who is Caucasian/RACE who is Christian/ RELIGION.

Don't just respond, THINK.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44326 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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The issue here is that you are failing to grasp that a BIOLOGICAL Jew will ALWAYS be a Jew regardless of whether or not he worships graven image as the 10 tribes PERPETUALLY did. What they worship does not take away from them being JEWS.
I have never argued this point. Seems to be the day for strawman arguments here on the forum.

Why do you imply that I have argued this point?

The ethno- piece of ethnorelgious will always be in one's DNA.

We are discussing only the religious/spiritual part.

You yourself said someone could be spiritually Jewish without being biologically Jewish.

Obviously the reverse can also be true.
HughBe wrote:
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Are your masters greater than God in your mind? Why then do you esteem their LIES above the plain words of God?
Your argument presupposes the existence of God: a proposition I do not accept.

We are only discussing the beliefs of a people as far as I am concerned.

I have no masters. Do you?

I support my words with documentation and sources. You do not.
HughBe wrote:
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Step 1---"The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the JEWS which dwell in the land of Egypt"
Did you see the word JEWS?
What is your source material?

I give you sources and links with dates.

You give me only passages an poetry fee of sourcing information.

My dates went back to the ancient people.

I see no dates in anything you've provided. No facts.

I think it is you who is wasting my time.

Take some pride in your arugment and strive to do better.

Since: Aug 11

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#44327 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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NOW--Culti---Which covenant are we talking about? Wiki lists several:
BEFORE--Culti----Did the Israelites record a covenant which they claim came from a god?"
HughBe---Thank you for you wisdom and input. Let me work with your properly formed question and so YOU tell me about the covenant in brief.
Pick a number 1 - 7.
Voluntarist

United States

#44329 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I'm not sure he even knows what he's saying. He's just trying to squirm out of the debate. In the past, he has been quick to bring up the Constitution or other points of law such as Corpus Delecti (his personal favorite). Now he's trying to downplay the Constitution because it doesn't support his viewpoint on this one topic.
Why as an atheist do you have a belief in something that acknowledges the existence of God?
Voluntarist

United States

#44330 Nov 29, 2012
PS why do I live where?

I don't live inside a piece of paper.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44331 Nov 29, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I'm not sure he even knows what he's saying. He's just trying to squirm out of the debate. In the past, he has been quick to bring up the Constitution or other points of law such as Corpus Delecti (his personal favorite). Now he's trying to downplay the Constitution because it doesn't support his viewpoint on this one topic.
I don't recall knowing he was a relgious nut!

I would have thought he would defend the Constitution above all else.

Evidenly only when it's in line with his personal beliefs.

Fair weather patriot.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44332 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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It is your belief in a piece of paper that is comparable to belief in the Bible.
Your belief in government is equally comparable, as your belief in states and citizens, just words on paper.
Belief is justified with evidence. Understanding the Constitution and accepting it as a legal document is not the same as accepting supernatural claims without evidence. I'm sorry you don't see the difference. But nice try in trying to change the topic.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44334 Nov 29, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Former---Huggy
"A Jew can be BOTH a religious/spiritual(JUDAISM) Jew AND a bio-Jew(RACE)."
And this is the meaning of "ethnoreigious" which you claim to not understand.
HughBe--- Learn this YOU are comparing RACE/Jew and RELIGION/Judaism with Nationality i.e.Irish.
Jews can be Irish? did you know this?
So you could have an Irish man who is Jew/RACE who is RELIGIOUS/ Judaism
In like manner you could have an Irish man who is Caucasian/RACE who is Christian/ RELIGION.
Don't just respond, THINK.
Does any of this matter to our discussion?

Yes, I know there are French/Russian/Polish/German Jews.

So what?

We are discussing their link to Judaism.

You are attempting de-link them and it dosn't appear to be working very well.

You yourself used the phrase "spirtual Jew."

What does this mean to you? Christian?

LOL!!

Give it up!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44335 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Then you find government entertaining?
Try and stay focused and stop pulling an O'Reilly and going off on tangents.

Let's start off simple.

Do you agree or disagree with the 1st amendment? I'm not asking you to raise your right hand and swear allegiance to the Constitution. I'm just asking you if you agree or disagree with the premise of the 1st amendment. A simple yes or no will do.
former res

Broomall, PA

#44337 Nov 29, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Then you find government entertaining?
The robot guy who tied the dog to the roof of his car is hilarious!!

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