Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 71943 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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Voluntarist

United States

#43548 Nov 15, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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If alternative treatments work, then it should be easily demonstrated with double-blind scientific studies with control groups using placebos. If the results of the studies show the treatment is effective, it will be very hard for anyone to poo poo it. Unfortunately, many alternative treatments don't hold up to scrutiny, hence why they are poo poo'ed. But I don't expect you to understand any of this given your proclivity to conspiracy theories.
Tell that to the thousands that have been healed through proper nutrition.
Voluntarist

United States

#43550 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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What doesw that have to do with the treatment of prisoners of war?
It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.
Voluntarist

United States

#43551 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Ah, no. If 30 million people don't have health care, that IS bad. Very bad. There is something broken with a society that allows that to happen.
Talking about health INSURANCE
Voluntarist

United States

#43553 Nov 15, 2012
Today's food production system systematically reduces
nutrient content resulting in a low nutrient density food. As
a consequence, large sectors of the U.S. population are
becoming chronically deficient in nutrients, and millions are
already afflicted with nutrition related illnesses, from anemia
to cancer, or troubled with undiagnosed symptoms: fatigue,
anxiety, headaches, nervousness, depression, eating or
drinking disorders [The Kellogg Report, 1989]

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43554 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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It has to do with "enemy combatants ", are you OK with the no fly list? another constitutional violation.
I would be okay with it >>IF<< the government would do a better job trying to keep it up to date and accurate. Like taking names OFF when appropriate.

And show me where in the Constitution there is a guarentee of a right to fly...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43555 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Talking about health INSURANCE
Same thing. Without health insurance, most people can't get health care. Or they clog up emergency rooms with trivial illnesses that SHOULD be seen in a doctor's office, because the ER cannot turn them away, and that is the ONLY way they can get ANY health care.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#43556 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
Today's food production system systematically reduces
nutrient content resulting in a low nutrient density food. As
a consequence, large sectors of the U.S. population are
becoming chronically deficient in nutrients, and millions are
already afflicted with nutrition related illnesses, from anemia
to cancer, or troubled with undiagnosed symptoms: fatigue,
anxiety, headaches, nervousness, depression, eating or
drinking disorders [The Kellogg Report, 1989]
So, are you saying that people should not have the freedom to choose processed food?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43557 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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For full nail bed penetration, just use a stronger acid. Either boil down the apple cider, or go straight for the sulfuric acid!
:)
I like that.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43558 Nov 15, 2012
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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It is, don't listen to the retards, its the liberal schooling.
I think that it is better and so people are willing to pay much more for it. Here in Jamaica a SMALL bottle of Braggs apple cider vinegar cost perhaps $600 while a gallon of cane vinegar cost less than $300. It could even be less than $150.
Eric

Palos Hills, IL

#43559 Nov 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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I think that it is better and so people are willing to pay much more for it. Here in Jamaica a SMALL bottle of Braggs apple cider vinegar cost perhaps $600 while a gallon of cane vinegar cost less than $300. It could even be less than $150.
I am going into the vinegar importing business in Jamaica.
Voluntarist

United States

#43560 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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I would be okay with it >>IF<< the government would do a better job trying to keep it up to date and accurate. Like taking names OFF when appropriate.
And show me where in the Constitution there is a guarentee of a right to fly...
Its right to travel.

It isn't alright because its secret and violates due process.

Since: Aug 11

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#43561 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Without the backing of a major pharmaceutical manufacturer, who would pay for the testing?
Alternative treatments are tested all the time in academia. In addition, companies test them from time to time with the hopes of productizing them.

Since: Aug 11

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#43562 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Tell that to the thousands that have been healed through proper nutrition.
Strawman argument. I never argued against the benefits of proper nutrition.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43563 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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We are talking about a proper course of treatment and the doctor suggests NOTHING about building up your immune system through proper nutrition because doctors know nothing about nutrition.
I don't recall you saying anything about the patient being malnourished.

The doc should have done blood tests for any deficiencies.
Voluntarist

United States

#43564 Nov 15, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Strawman argument. I never argued against the benefits of proper nutrition.
Healing through nutrition is not a strawman.
Voluntarist

United States

#43565 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
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I don't recall you saying anything about the patient being malnourished.
The doc should have done blood tests for any deficiencies.
Most people are malnourished, that's a ni brainer.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43566 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
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I don't recall you saying anything about the patient being malnourished.
The doc should have done blood tests for any deficiencies.
I don't know what types of doctors ATF has experience with, but mine always does blood tests and asks me questions to ensure I'm eating right. Besides, proper nutrition is not alternative treatments. I think he's trying to change the subject. He usually does that when he paints himself into a corner.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43567 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Healing through nutrition is not a strawman.
No, but arguing against a claim I never made is.
Voluntarist

United States

#43568 Nov 15, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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So, are you saying that people should not have the freedom to choose processed food?
No I think doctors should be honest about the root cause of many diseases.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43569 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Most people are malnourished, that's a ni brainer.
Vitamin D deficiency is very common due to lack of sunlight exposure.

Perhps the government can fix this.

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