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Voluntarist

United States

#43482 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
You're all heart. That is, thinking 30 million without healthcare is ok.
On a more practical note (and a fairness note), I think everyone should pay at least what they can.
I'm not ok with free-loaders.
Therefore Obamacare is the answer, unless you have a better idea.
30 million without doesn't equal 30 million free loaders.
I don't have insurance and I don't free load, Doctors are a waste ill give you a real example.
Patient complains that food is getting stuck in esophagus.
Doctor orders camera down throat, results, nothing there.
patient still complaining
Dr takes x-rays, results, nothing wrong
patient still complaining, 6 months now
Dr orders barium test
results, normal.
Now 8 months later doctor states that there is nothing he can do, must be stomach gases causing air bubble in esophagus, take over the table anti-acid drug for the rest of your life.

True story want to know the fix?

1 bottle of Bragg apple cider vinegar $6.99
1. teaspoon twice daily.
results, immediate
no further problems reported.

How much money was wasted?
Voluntarist

United States

#43483 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/14/georgia_goper...
Georgia GOPers hold meeting over Obama mind-control conspiracy
In connection with an alleged UN plot to forcibly move everyone to the cities
Yes because Delphi technique doesn't exist
world government doesn't exist
Agenda 21 isn't an agenda
The metro plan doesn't exist

got it, go back to sleep.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43484 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
30 million without doesn't equal 30 million free loaders.
I don't have insurance and I don't free load, Doctors are a waste ill give you a real example.
Patient complains that food is getting stuck in esophagus.
Doctor orders camera down throat, results, nothing there.
patient still complaining
Dr takes x-rays, results, nothing wrong
patient still complaining, 6 months now
Dr orders barium test
results, normal.
Now 8 months later doctor states that there is nothing he can do, must be stomach gases causing air bubble in esophagus, take over the table anti-acid drug for the rest of your life.
True story want to know the fix?
1 bottle of Bragg apple cider vinegar $6.99
1. teaspoon twice daily.
results, immediate
no further problems reported.
How much money was wasted?
Interesting story but doctors do what they are trained to do so don't expect them to tell you to use home remedies.

Once I bit my lip and a polyp came up. I went to the doctor and got a prescription and filled it. Problem remained even after a second visit. My wife said to me try apple cider vinegar. It worked.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43485 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it doesnt end with M?
So much for trying to be cute.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43486 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/14/georgia_goper...
Georgia GOPers hold meeting over Obama mind-control conspiracy
In connection with an alleged UN plot to forcibly move everyone to the cities
What the hxll??!!

I thought SC was the crazy state.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-... -

Not to mention, SC's Senator's latest comments to the president:

Graham responded to Obama’s comments by e-mail just as the press conference concluded.“Mr. President, don’t think for one minute I don’t hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi,” Graham said in a statement.“I think you failed as Commander in Chief before, during, and after the attack.”
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43487 Nov 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
As ALWAYS,thanks for asking. You never cease to amaze me with your ability to FOCUS.
Have a good day.
"Someone puts himself last,
So that you can come first."

La Cage Aux Folles
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43488 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
30 million without doesn't equal 30 million free loaders.
I don't have insurance and I don't free load, Doctors are a waste ill give you a real example.
Patient complains that food is getting stuck in esophagus.
Doctor orders camera down throat, results, nothing there.
patient still complaining
Dr takes x-rays, results, nothing wrong
patient still complaining, 6 months now
Dr orders barium test
results, normal.
Now 8 months later doctor states that there is nothing he can do, must be stomach gases causing air bubble in esophagus, take over the table anti-acid drug for the rest of your life.
True story want to know the fix?
1 bottle of Bragg apple cider vinegar $6.99
1. teaspoon twice daily.
results, immediate
no further problems reported.
How much money was wasted?
So you're saying doctors can't help with every single problem?

Ok - fair enough.

I think they would agree.

In family medicine, these patients are known as "The Worried Well."

Also, negative test results don't prove the doc is ineffective.

The doc has an obilgation to "rule out" potentially serious conditions.

If he had missed esophageal cancer, I imagine you'd also have a problem with that.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43489 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
So much for trying to be cute.
what was it, then?
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43490 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
What the hxll??!!
I thought SC was the crazy state.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-... -
Not to mention, SC's Senator's latest comments to the president:
Graham responded to Obama’s comments by e-mail just as the press conference concluded.“Mr. President, don’t think for one minute I don’t hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi,” Graham said in a statement.“I think you failed as Commander in Chief before, during, and after the attack.”
I would be remiss if I didnt note that one of our posters comes from Georgia.

Best part of that article, they name the fricking CHAMBER of COMMERCE as one of the conspirators...lololol
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43491 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes because Delphi technique doesn't exist
world government doesn't exist
Agenda 21 isn't an agenda
The metro plan doesn't exist
got it, go back to sleep.
I am far from asleep mu friend,
I use many of the principles from Agenda 21 in my professional life. As does everyone else in my profession, as the principles have been around for at least 45 years. Which, by the way, is a longer time than Agenda 21. Which, by the way, prooves that the Agenda21 conspiracy is a lot of hogwash.

As far as Delphi, when I think of Greek, I think of Hughbe. I dont understand why.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43492 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
30 million without doesn't equal 30 million free loaders.
I don't have insurance and I don't free load, Doctors are a waste ill give you a real example.
Patient complains that food is getting stuck in esophagus.
Doctor orders camera down throat, results, nothing there.
patient still complaining
Dr takes x-rays, results, nothing wrong
patient still complaining, 6 months now
Dr orders barium test
results, normal.
Now 8 months later doctor states that there is nothing he can do, must be stomach gases causing air bubble in esophagus, take over the table anti-acid drug for the rest of your life.
True story want to know the fix?
1 bottle of Bragg apple cider vinegar $6.99
1. teaspoon twice daily.
results, immediate
no further problems reported.
How much money was wasted?
I tried soaking my feet everynight in apple cider vinegar for about six months to get rid of toe nail fungus.

Guess what?

It didnt work!(ended up on real drugs - they worked)

It was a nice thought though. I would of rather it did work for the effort it caused me.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43493 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
"Someone puts himself last,
So that you can come first."
La Cage Aux Folles
Former---"Someone puts himself last,So that you can come first."
La Cage Aux Folles

HughBe--- "Someone puts herself last,So that I can come first."
Master HughBe
Voluntarist

United States

#43494 Nov 15, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're saying doctors can't help with every single problem?
Ok - fair enough.
I think they would agree.
In family medicine, these patients are known as "The Worried Well."
Also, negative test results don't prove the doc is ineffective.
The doc has an obilgation to "rule out" potentially serious conditions.
If he had missed esophageal cancer, I imagine you'd also have a problem with that.
If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?

The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43495 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
Maybe that was true 10-15 years ago, but now the modalities are getting blended together. This new generation is different - they offer alternative medicine in many med schools and most big hospitals offer it in some form. The only people who poo poo it are the hard core and the older generation.
Voluntarist

United States

#43496 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I tried soaking my feet everynight in apple cider vinegar for about six months to get rid of toe nail fungus.
Guess what?
It didnt work!(ended up on real drugs - they worked)
It was a nice thought though. I would of rather it did work for the effort it caused me.
Did you use organic apple cider vinegar?

Point of the matter is that you are able to try the natural route first, but an MD won't help you.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43497 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
....and then there are the modalities like osteopathy (D.O.s) which were mainstream before they faded in the last century, to be rescued by Chiropractors, and now have been revived back in the mainstream medicine to some extent
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43498 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are interested in saving the patient money after ruling out life threatening conditions, why not?
The real problem is that doctors aren't trained in the natural area and usually poo poo it.
I bet you could benefit from a good witch doctor (shaman)

I envision soul retrieval as being especially helpful to your future
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#43499 Nov 15, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I tried soaking my feet everynight in apple cider vinegar for about six months to get rid of toe nail fungus.
Guess what?
It didnt work!(ended up on real drugs - they worked)
It was a nice thought though. I would of rather it did work for the effort it caused me.
Perhaps the quality of vinegar was an issue and MORE importantly the QUANTITY. How much vinegar did you add to the soak and how much water was used? Dilution issue.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43500 Nov 15, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you use organic apple cider vinegar?
Point of the matter is that you are able to try the natural route first, but an MD won't help you.
I dont remember. I dont see how that would make a difference. If it was to work, it would be because of the acidity which shouldnt vary.

Do you know what makes apple cider vinegar organic? Lack of fungacides to the apple trees. I would think residual fungacides would help you get rid of a fungus.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43501 Nov 15, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps the quality of vinegar was an issue and MORE importantly the QUANTITY. How much vinegar did you add to the soak and how much water was used? Dilution issue.
Vinegar is cheap. Didnt dilute it. "Quality" (as you refer to it) doesnt matter as the active ingrediant whould be the acidity. There is no difference between organic and nonorganic in acidity.

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