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Voluntarist

United States

#43213 Nov 12, 2012
former res wrote:
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You don't like being able to be lots of stuff, real cheap? The folks love Walmart. They vote with their dollars.
That's what I call economic freedom.
Don't have a problem with Walmart, have a problem with government subsidized Walmart.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43214 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Bill Krostol is not a conservative, the article starts off with a lie.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree in his family.
What is he?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43215 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Don't have a problem with Walmart, have a problem with government subsidized Walmart.
Are you against all corporate welfare?

Oil industry? The banks?

Why single out Walmart?
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43216 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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So I will come over and shovel your sidewalk and send you a bill.
I dont care about my sidewalk - I care about my street - and no, you are not welcome to do that. I only trust the government to get that right. As well as with Fire, Police, Schools, and other STUFF.

Infrastructure and common services.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43217 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Is money property?
Let that be your koan of choice. Go find a nice log in the forest and sit on it for a while. If you get back to me with an answer, you have failed.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43218 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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That's fine, as soon as the feds stop taking.
Silly child, for the second time in 2 days...

We won. Get over it. Or move to Canada.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43219 Nov 12, 2012
former res wrote:
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I heard/saw Frum say that. Now the smart conservatives are getting out ahead of the new thinking and messaging.
To wit:
WASHINGTON -- Conservative commentator and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Sunday the Republican Party should accept new ideas, including the much-criticized suggestion by Democrats that taxes be allowed to go up on the wealthy.
"It won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "It really won't, I don't think. I don't really understand why Republicans don't take Obama's offer."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/bill...
...And don't forget the new Sean Hannity on immigration
...should we hang by our thumbs waiting for the new, more sensitive Rush?!
:))
I woudnt hang your hat on Rush, but anyone with a mind has no choice but to reevaluate.

I read an article somewhere that the "culture war" is over as well. We won. Except for the hard core believers. Fact is, they lost on just about every social issue according to demographics based on the exit polls.
Voluntarist

United States

#43220 Nov 12, 2012
former res wrote:
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Are you against all corporate welfare?
Oil industry? The banks?
Why single out Walmart?
All of it

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43221 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Business minded people will make more investing locally, commercial properties, businesses all of which will increase the tax rolls, something a Walmart won't do.
And what stops a Walmart from coming into a local community and undercutting the small businesses, eventually driving them out of businesses.

You seem to have this idealistic and overly simplistic vision that with less government, all will be wonderful. Rarely does reality conform neatly with ideological theories. Don't forget about the laws of unintended consequences.
Voluntarist

United States

#43222 Nov 12, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont care about my sidewalk - I care about my street - and no, you are not welcome to do that. I only trust the government to get that right. As well as with Fire, Police, Schools, and other STUFF.
Infrastructure and common services.
I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
Voluntarist

United States

#43223 Nov 12, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Let that be your koan of choice. Go find a nice log in the forest and sit on it for a while. If you get back to me with an answer, you have failed.
Answer the question, is money property?
Voluntarist

United States

#43224 Nov 12, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Silly child, for the second time in 2 days...
We won. Get over it. Or move to Canada.
We, as if you are playing a football game, hurray for our team, this gives us license to steal.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43225 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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So I will come over and shovel your sidewalk and send you a bill.
And what happens if Frijoles chooses not to hire anyone to shovel his walkway in order to save money. That means that walkway becomes inaccessible to anyone who needs to use it. Kids walking to school, elderly walkers, etc,... Do you really trust people to always do the right thing when money is involved?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43226 Nov 12, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you against all corporate welfare?
Oil industry? The banks?
Why single out Walmart?
Probably because he was fired from Walmart ;-)
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43227 Nov 12, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont care about my sidewalk - I care about my street - and no, you are not welcome to do that. I only trust the government to get that right. As well as with Fire, Police, Schools, and other STUFF.
Infrastructure and common services.
More free stuff!!!!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43228 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
How else are you going to fund those services? If taxes were voluntary, do you really think enough would be collected to pay for the essential services? And what about all the freeloaders that choose to never pay but get to benefit from the services paid for by the generosity of others. How exactly is that fair?
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43229 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
You are beeing a little sensitive.

I dont see it as violence, I see it as the moral obligation to pay for those services that by their very nature require central administration.
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43230 Nov 12, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Probably because he was fired from Walmart ;-)
Its tough having to be a greeter. Being pleasant and all of that...
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#43231 Nov 12, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
Why do you say "involuntary."

Do you not believe in democracy?

Is there another form of gubbermint you prefer?

If so, does it exist anywhere?

Do you believe in anarchy?

Is there nothing most of us can agree on that we all
need to do together?
Frijoles

Farmington, CT

#43232 Nov 12, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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And what happens if Frijoles chooses not to hire anyone to shovel his walkway in order to save money. That means that walkway becomes inaccessible to anyone who needs to use it. Kids walking to school, elderly walkers, etc,... Do you really trust people to always do the right thing when money is involved?
Good point but a bit tangential. In many communities it IS the responsibility of the private to keep the walkways clear. Or else be subject to Volunteerist's "violence" (i.e. a ticket).

What matters is those communal services. Which require central admin. Bridges, street maintence etc etc

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