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former res wrote:
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I heard/saw Frum say that. Now the smart conservatives are getting out ahead of the new thinking and messaging.
To wit:
WASHINGTON -- Conservative commentator and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Sunday the Republican Party should accept new ideas, including the much-criticized suggestion by Democrats that taxes be allowed to go up on the wealthy.
"It won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "It really won't, I don't think. I don't really understand why Republicans don't take Obama's offer."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/bill...
...And don't forget the new Sean Hannity on immigration
...should we hang by our thumbs waiting for the new, more sensitive Rush?!
:))
Bill Krostol is not a conservative, the article starts off with a lie.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree in his family.
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Frijoles wrote:
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The Republican dominated states actually have a higher rate of return of federal spending from tax dollars than the Democratic dominated states. If we want to federal spending to decline, first we have to wean those Republicans from wanting more "stuff".
Never going to happen
That's fine, as soon as the feds stop taking.
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You don't like being able to be lots of stuff, real cheap? The folks love Walmart. They vote with their dollars.
That's what I call economic freedom.
Don't have a problem with Walmart, have a problem with government subsidized Walmart.
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Voluntarist wrote:
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Bill Krostol is not a conservative, the article starts off with a lie.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree in his family.
What is he?
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Don't have a problem with Walmart, have a problem with government subsidized Walmart.
Are you against all corporate welfare?

Oil industry? The banks?

Why single out Walmart?
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So I will come over and shovel your sidewalk and send you a bill.
I dont care about my sidewalk - I care about my street - and no, you are not welcome to do that. I only trust the government to get that right. As well as with Fire, Police, Schools, and other STUFF.

Infrastructure and common services.
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Is money property?
Let that be your koan of choice. Go find a nice log in the forest and sit on it for a while. If you get back to me with an answer, you have failed.
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Voluntarist wrote:
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That's fine, as soon as the feds stop taking.
Silly child, for the second time in 2 days...

We won. Get over it. Or move to Canada.
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former res wrote:
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I heard/saw Frum say that. Now the smart conservatives are getting out ahead of the new thinking and messaging.
To wit:
WASHINGTON -- Conservative commentator and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Sunday the Republican Party should accept new ideas, including the much-criticized suggestion by Democrats that taxes be allowed to go up on the wealthy.
"It won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "It really won't, I don't think. I don't really understand why Republicans don't take Obama's offer."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/bill...
...And don't forget the new Sean Hannity on immigration
...should we hang by our thumbs waiting for the new, more sensitive Rush?!
:))
I woudnt hang your hat on Rush, but anyone with a mind has no choice but to reevaluate.

I read an article somewhere that the "culture war" is over as well. We won. Except for the hard core believers. Fact is, they lost on just about every social issue according to demographics based on the exit polls.
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Are you against all corporate welfare?
Oil industry? The banks?
Why single out Walmart?
All of it

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Business minded people will make more investing locally, commercial properties, businesses all of which will increase the tax rolls, something a Walmart won't do.
And what stops a Walmart from coming into a local community and undercutting the small businesses, eventually driving them out of businesses.

You seem to have this idealistic and overly simplistic vision that with less government, all will be wonderful. Rarely does reality conform neatly with ideological theories. Don't forget about the laws of unintended consequences.
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Frijoles wrote:
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I dont care about my sidewalk - I care about my street - and no, you are not welcome to do that. I only trust the government to get that right. As well as with Fire, Police, Schools, and other STUFF.
Infrastructure and common services.
I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
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Frijoles wrote:
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Let that be your koan of choice. Go find a nice log in the forest and sit on it for a while. If you get back to me with an answer, you have failed.
Answer the question, is money property?
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Frijoles wrote:
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Silly child, for the second time in 2 days...
We won. Get over it. Or move to Canada.
We, as if you are playing a football game, hurray for our team, this gives us license to steal.

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Voluntarist wrote:
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So I will come over and shovel your sidewalk and send you a bill.
And what happens if Frijoles chooses not to hire anyone to shovel his walkway in order to save money. That means that walkway becomes inaccessible to anyone who needs to use it. Kids walking to school, elderly walkers, etc,... Do you really trust people to always do the right thing when money is involved?

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Are you against all corporate welfare?
Oil industry? The banks?
Why single out Walmart?
Probably because he was fired from Walmart ;-)
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Frijoles wrote:
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I dont care about my sidewalk - I care about my street - and no, you are not welcome to do that. I only trust the government to get that right. As well as with Fire, Police, Schools, and other STUFF.
Infrastructure and common services.
More free stuff!!!!!

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I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
How else are you going to fund those services? If taxes were voluntary, do you really think enough would be collected to pay for the essential services? And what about all the freeloaders that choose to never pay but get to benefit from the services paid for by the generosity of others. How exactly is that fair?
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Voluntarist wrote:
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I don't have a problem with services, I only have a problem with the involuntary nature of payment for those services.
Why must payment be extracted by threat of violence?
You are beeing a little sensitive.

I dont see it as violence, I see it as the moral obligation to pay for those services that by their very nature require central administration.
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Probably because he was fired from Walmart ;-)
Its tough having to be a greeter. Being pleasant and all of that...

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