Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[Frijoles]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>Disappointed. I guess most Americans have no stake in the military, personal or personal.

More like people see through the birther movement.

This is the time for political healing.

[Voluntarist]

former res wrote:

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which is why bush/cheney/rumsfled got away with being war criminals
thousands of americans and iraqi civilians killed for no reason whatsover
we should probably have a draft, like israel - then we'd all some skin in the game

And Obama continued gitmo including torture, just another war criminal.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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From what I can see, only Fox is obsessing over this non-issue.

I would hope that they would get the message from the election. It was pretty clear cut. The age of nonsense is over.

Right now we are at a political crossroads. Either go with the healing, reconcialiation, and bipartisanship or we are really doomed as a nation.

From the conservative side, one of the loudest critiques of Obama was that he blew them off from day one. So lets see what happens. If Obama offers an olive branch, as I suspect he will, and the political sniping continues, then they have lost their last and final argument against Obama.

[Frijoles]

Voluntarist wrote:

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And Obama continued gitmo including torture, just another war criminal.

Sone of us, in fact a lot of us, in fact most of us, have no problem with gitmo being open- as long as we dont have new prisoners

[Frijoles]

Voluntarist wrote:

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And Obama continued gitmo including torture, just another war criminal.

cant have criminality without acceptance of government authority, by the way.

[former res]

Voluntarist wrote:

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And Obama continued gitmo including torture, just another war criminal.

He was blocked by Congress.

Same with healthcare; tax reform; budget...

Despite the election, they are still refusing the tax changes most Americans support. Guess they weren't listening.

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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I would hope that they would get the message from the election. It was pretty clear cut. The age of nonsense is over.
Right now we are at a political crossroads. Either go with the healing, reconcialiation, and bipartisanship or we are really doomed as a nation.
From the conservative side, one of the loudest critiques of Obama was that he blew them off from day one. So lets see what happens. If Obama offers an olive branch, as I suspect he will, and the political sniping continues, then they have lost their last and final argument against Obama.

I'm not optimistic.

They are much too beholden to Grover Norquist, The Tea baggers etc.

Even Bohener had to walk back his comments to Diane Sawyer about Obamacare.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-...

[SamBee]

Liam R wrote:

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So? The fetus consists of living tissue, cells need oxygen, but the fetus is NOT breathing.
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Minor point, but the infant needs to be breathing well BEFORE the cord is cut. If not, then it is stillborn, i.e. dead.
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Note well those words: "yet no mischief follow". They are important here. The fetus has been expelled - it has been aborted by the actions of the men "striving". "Yet no mischief follow" tells us that the woman is unharmed even though the fetus is now dead.
Yeah, the man gets a few coins for the loss of the POTENTIAL son that is now gone. Big deal. But if mischief DOES follow, if the WOMAN is harmed in any way, THEN and ONLY then does the passage call for an eye for an eye, a life for a life.
If the fetus was alive, then it would have called for a life for a life, NOT just a few coins.

If the fetus wasn't alive in the womb how could the man have killed it before its brith?

Lev.11:11

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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I'm not optimistic.
They are much too beholden to Grover Norquist, The Tea baggers etc.
Even Bohener had to walk back his comments to Diane Sawyer about Obamacare.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-...

I am more cautiously optomistic. Boehner is just a puppet. Its not clear who the puppeteers are going to be yet.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

former res wrote:

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I'm not optimistic.
They are much too beholden to Grover Norquist, The Tea baggers etc.
Even Bohener had to walk back his comments to Diane Sawyer about Obamacare.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-...

rabbee: i did not know, that grover is against big bird and sesame street.

[Frijoles]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: i did not know, that grover is against big bird and sesame street.

It has been alleged that the real reason Romney lost was that he took on Bird Bird.

Big Bird never looses.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

[Cult of Reason]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: i did not know, that grover is against big bird and sesame street.

It's well known among the inner circles that grover has been atttempting for quite a while now to make a power play against bird bird and his gay-marriage supporting allies, bert and ernie.

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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I am more cautiously optomistic. Boehner is just a puppet. Its not clear who the puppeteers are going to be yet.

He'd lose his speakership if he compromised with obama.

Obama is sticking to his voter-approved idea of raising taxes on the wealthy. Most Americans support this.

I don't see him backing off this one, this time.

But all these GOP guys have signed Grover's pledge and the tea baggers would go nuts as well.

someone will blink. when Newt shut the gov't down, his party paid the price.

It will be interesting if nothing else.

I just know right now, my IRA is suffering.

[former res]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: i did not know, that grover is against big bird and sesame street.

He's against everything that is good and decent!

;)

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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He'd lose his speakership if he compromised with obama.
Obama is sticking to his voter-approved idea of raising taxes on the wealthy. Most Americans support this.
I don't see him backing off this one, this time.
But all these GOP guys have signed Grover's pledge and the tea baggers would go nuts as well.
someone will blink. when Newt shut the gov't down, his party paid the price.
It will be interesting if nothing else.
I just know right now, my IRA is suffering.

I think it would be nieve not to expect your IRA not to be extremely volatile over the next few months.

I see the GOP backing down well before Obama does. At some point they have to internalize the election. Thats why I think all eyes should be on Faux news to see which way they go, as they are the bellweather. Faux doesnt even have to cave IMO, it just have to start behaving more like FOX and less like FAUX. We saw a peep of that when they made Karl look like monkeysht.

[former res]

He sounds like a real character - I bet he's correct that the SRO spots would sell:

The colorful, attention-loving chief of Ryanair is at it again. The same CEO who suggested installing pay toilets on planes is now revisiting the idea of standing-room-only sections on flights and dissing the safety feature fliers use most.

“Seat belts don't matter,” Michael O’Leary told The Telegraph.“If there ever was a crash on an aircraft, God forbid, a seat belt won’t save you.”

O’Leary is reportedly on a quest to take out the back ten rows of seats on planes so that Ryanair could offer tickets for one pound (about $1.60) to budget travelers willing to spend a flight on their feet in a “standing cabin.” The Irish airline is already known for its rock-bottom fares and extensive menu of fees for everything from early boarding to excess baggage.

What about the safety of passengers not buckled in? O’Leary told the paper they could just “hang on to the handle” when necessary and would be “fine,” adding that there’s little turbulence in Europe to worry about. People traveling by subway or train don’t wear seat belts, he pointed out.

"The problem with aviation is that for 50 years it's been populated by people who think it's this wondrous sexual experience; that it's like James Bond and wonderful and we'll all be flying first class when really it's just a ... bus with wings,” O’Leary told The Telegraph.

If you say to passengers it's £25 for the seat and £1 for the standing cabin, I guarantee we will sell the standing cabin first.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/ryanair-ceo-sea...

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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I think it would be nieve not to expect your IRA not to be extremely volatile over the next few months.
I see the GOP backing down well before Obama does. At some point they have to internalize the election. Thats why I think all eyes should be on Faux news to see which way they go, as they are the bellweather. Faux doesnt even have to cave IMO, it just have to start behaving more like FOX and less like FAUX. We saw a peep of that when they made Karl look like monkeysht.

Of course. Stocks go up, stocks go down. I've know that for a long time.

The point is simply that the market is not happy (as usual) with this uncertainly about the fiscal cliff.

So aside from what's good for the county, I was simply indulging in a bit of enlightened self-interest.

:))

We'll see. Public opinion has not always driven politics. I think of Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeld stubbornly remaining in Iraq when 2/3 of the country wanted us out.

But there is hope. Funny you should mention Fox:

The crucial role that Latino voters played in denying Mitt Romney and Republicans the presidency got the attention of many political observers -- and at least one hard-line opponent of immigration reform.

Radio and television hotspur Sean Hannity — who for years has spit the word “amnesty” like an epithet — declared Thursday that he has “evolved” and now supports creating a “pathway” to citizenship for those already in the country illegally.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pn...

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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Of course. Stocks go up, stocks go down. I've know that for a long time.
The point is simply that the market is not happy (as usual) with this uncertainly about the fiscal cliff.
So aside from what's good for the county, I was simply indulging in a bit of enlightened self-interest.
:))
We'll see. Public opinion has not always driven politics. I think of Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeld stubbornly remaining in Iraq when 2/3 of the country wanted us out.
But there is hope. Funny you should mention Fox:
The crucial role that Latino voters played in denying Mitt Romney and Republicans the presidency got the attention of many political observers -- and at least one hard-line opponent of immigration reform.
Radio and television hotspur Sean Hannity — who for years has spit the word “amnesty” like an epithet — declared Thursday that he has “evolved” and now supports creating a “pathway” to citizenship for those already in the country illegally.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pn...

This article is amusing

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012...

The Five People Who Won the Election for Obama

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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But there is hope. Funny you should mention Fox:
The crucial role that Latino voters played in denying Mitt Romney and Republicans the presidency got the attention of many political observers -- and at least one hard-line opponent of immigration reform.
Radio and television hotspur Sean Hannity — who for years has spit the word “amnesty” like an epithet — declared Thursday that he has “evolved” and now supports creating a “pathway” to citizenship for those already in the country illegally.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pn...

Thats interesting - I hadnt even advanced my thinking to consider how their commentators were going to "evolve" - I was focused on their news division. To be a news division. But someone needs to prepare the masses I guess.

A comment at the bottom is most telling. Is Sean sincere or will he come off as a Mit Romney opportunist? And does it even matter?

[Frijoles]

And then there is the Daily Dose of Karl Denial

Megyn Kelly Informs Karl Rove Obama Won Reelection
http://www.youtube.com/watch...