Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[SeasideSoon]

Frijoles wrote:

Ex-FEMA director Michael Brown criticizes Obama for reacting too quickly to storm
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ex-fema-d...
Former FEMA director Michael Brown, who was heavily criticized for the agency's failure to prepare for Hurricane Katrina, has criticized President Obama for responding to Hurricane Sandy too early.....

Brown is a dope. But it's not like you to provide out of context quotes..
Michael Brown criticized President Obama for responding to Hurricane Sandy too early.

In an interview with Denver Westword, Brown said, "One thing [President Obama's] gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [Hurricane Sandy] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in ... Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas? Why was this so quick?... At some point, somebody's going to ask that question."[

[MUQ]

Lecture 5

The Comprehensiveness of the Holy Prophet’s Life- Part-34

Prophet as a Teacher:

Let us look at the nature of the holy Prophet’s centre of learning at Madina. Was it like a school where only one kind of knowledge was imparted? Or was it like an all-round magnificent university where people from different countries and
different nations came and received knowledge and education according to their needs and capacity?

Compare this with what is known from the life history of Moses (Peace be upon him). All we have there is a few military officers and men, some judges and religious authorities. Look for what is known of Christ’s disciples. You will find no more than a few ascetics, roaming in the streets of Palestine.

But amongst those taught and trained by Prophet Muhammad, you will find such men of diverse accomplishments as the King of Abyssinia, Asmaha; the Chief of Ma’an, Farwah; the Chief of Himyr, Zulkala’a the Chief of Hamadan, Amer bin Shahr; the Yemeni Chief Firoz Dailmi and Markabud; and Omani Chief, Obaid and Ja

His students include men of the caliber of Bilal, Yasir Suhaib, Khabbab, Ammar and Abu Fukayha. There were also slave girls like Sumayyah, Lubaina, Zinnira, Nahdiyah and Umm-Obais. These men and women were the very symbol of the struggle for freedom against the powers of oppression.

Among the holy Prophet’s disciples, you will find kings, chieftains, the poor and the rich, the slaves and the masters, standing shoulder to shoulder in one row.

Prophet Muhammad’s education has produced great men of wisdom, scholars, leaders of men and rulers administering vast territories. In the forefront are Abu- Bakr Siddique, Umar Al-Farooq, Othman Ghani, Ali Al Murtadha and Mua’wia bin
Abu -Sufyan (May Allah be pleased with them all).

Their benign and just rule extended from east to west, from Africa to the borders of India, setting up examples of civil administration and establishing new social, political and legal orders. Their decisions based on fairness and wisdom made the Roman and Persian systems look ineffective and worthless, and buried them in the pages of history forever.

They have left such shining examples of fair, efficient and just rule that the whole history of mankind cannot match the standard set up by them.

(Contd.)

[SeasideSoon]

Frijoles wrote:

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I know, that perhaps was the funniest quote I have read in a while. Better than "binders full of woman.."
Its like Tony Hayward criticizing an oil spill recovery operation for being too agressive.
We'll give Seaside a chance to retract her reference....
Brown is now doing talk radio in Denver. I think that quote was lifted from his normal daily babble.

This reference??
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I thought it was pretty humorous when he said it 4 years ago.

Our OceanOrganizer-in-Chief

[Eric]

Voluntarist wrote:

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What's facts do you rely on that the constitution is applicable?

"But Connecticut can only do what is expressed in the Constitution, and can't do what is expressly prohibited."

[TJ Monk]

Eric wrote:

Voluntarist
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Eric wrote:
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It's not hard to understand at all. The people of the US gave their federal government limited power reserving all other governmental power to the states and themselves. That's called the 10th Amendment. CT used that reserved power to offer social services. CT did not need for Congress to grant them the power. The people reserved that power to the states, including CT.
You replied
But Connecticut can only do what is expressed in the Constitution, and can't do what is expressly prohibited.
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And my follow up was that if they can do what's in the constitution, and the people of CT have given the General Assembly in the constitution extremely broad powers, then the General Assembly can do just about anything, with the exception of the few prohibitions in Article One.

Who cares TOOL? We owe 18 trillion dollars....laws and amendments don't apply. Just pay your share TOOL

[Eric]

TJ Monk wrote:

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Who cares TOOL? We owe 18 trillion dollars....laws and amendments don't apply. Just pay your share TOOL

CT owes 18 trillion dollars? wow!

[Frijoles]

Eric wrote:

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CT owes 18 trillion dollars? wow!

Now I know why my taxes are so high. Thank you.

[Frijoles]

TJ Monk wrote:

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Who cares TOOL? We owe 18 trillion dollars....laws and amendments don't apply. Just pay your share TOOL

You are welcome to butt in anytime, but if you want us to consider a response other than scorn, my advice to you is to first read the posts and figure out what exactly we are discussing.

[Frijoles]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>This reference??
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I thought it was pretty humorous when he said it 4 years ago.
Our OceanOrganizer-in-Chief

Its almost as funny as Romnet deciding to run as a moderate and expecting people to take him seriously and follow him.

OBama could of done great things is he didnt have a bunch of immature misfits fighting him at every corner from the first moment he took office willing to sacrifice the good of the country to prove political points.

[Frijoles]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>Brown is a dope. But it's not like you to provide out of context quotes..
Michael Brown criticized President Obama for responding to Hurricane Sandy too early.
In an interview with Denver Westword, Brown said, "One thing [President Obama's] gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [Hurricane Sandy] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in ... Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas? Why was this so quick?... At some point, somebody's going to ask that question."[

I dont know what out of context you are referring to. Brown screwed up to such an extent on Katrina that he should of never opened his mouth on this subject.

Ever.

Ever.

I dont think there is another soul alive who would ask Obama that question. Maybe "I am not a racist - and this is not politics" Sununnu. Anyone normal would never conceptualize it that way, with 50 plus people dead. and 3 billion in damage, and the transportation disruptions that this thing is causing to the region.

My cousin is a staunch Republican - as staunch as they come - lives on the Jersey Shore - just lost his house and also half a condo to the storm. If you want, I can call him and ask him what he thinks about Browns quote.

[Frijoles]

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>NY Times - quite a reliable source. Reliably liberal. You may not have noticed - but Christie Never Gushes. I think your writer got a little overly artistic with his description of the event. I saw it - he didn't gush.

At this point, the NYTimes is merely telling it as it is.

"....When General Motors tells a presidential campaign that it is engaging in “cynical campaign politics at its worst,” that’s a pretty good signal that the campaign has crossed a red line and ought to pull back.

Not Mitt Romney’s campaign. Having broadcast an outrageously deceitful ad attacking the auto bailout, the campaign ignored the howls from carmakers and came back with more.

Mr. Romney apparently plans to end his race as he began it: playing lowest-common-denominator politics, saying anything necessary to achieve power and blithely deceiving voters desperate for clarity and truth....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/opinion/mit...

[Frijoles]

GM’s spokesman Greg Martin

We’ve clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days. No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country. At this stage we’re looking at a Hubble telescope-length distances between campaign ads and reality.”

This statement follows the e-mail sent by Chrysler’s CEO to Chrysler employees

““I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gm-spokesman-...

[former res]

frij

Two good things have happened for Obama:

1. Chris Christie's serial (and very public) verbal hugs of him (re: Sandy).

2. Romney lying about Jeep jobs going overseas, and being publicly busted.

Good timing.

You couldn't have bought this kind of PR.

And on we go!

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

frij
Two good things have happened for Obama:
1. Chris Christie's serial (and very public) verbal hugs of him (re: Sandy).
2. Romney lying about Jeep jobs going overseas, and being publicly busted.
Good timing.
You couldn't have bought this kind of PR.
And on we go!

And just last week Christie was stumping in CT for Romney and McMahon

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

frij
Two good things have happened for Obama:
1. Chris Christie's serial (and very public) verbal hugs of him (re: Sandy).
2. Romney lying about Jeep jobs going overseas, and being publicly busted.
Good timing.
You couldn't have bought this kind of PR.
And on we go!

I got rid of my Jeep shortly before gas prices spiked a few years ago. At the time, I always assumed it was assembled overseas. Now I know my Jeep was assembled in Toledo. So this has been educational for me as well.

When I got rid of it, I looked into buying a Jeep hybrid, but they werent available yet. They were widely available in Europe. I think the job expansion in the US is because of the hybrid.

Which actually dispells TWO Romney myths simultaneosuly.
1) Jeep jobs going overseas
2) there is no future in alternative energy technologies

[Voluntarist]

Eric wrote:

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"But Connecticut can only do what is expressed in the Constitution, and can't do what is expressly prohibited."

That is correct, but what facts do you rely on that the constitution is applicable to me or anyone else?

I pointed out various violations of the state constitution that state "officials " don't seem to care about.

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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I got rid of my Jeep shortly before gas prices spiked a few years ago. At the time, I always assumed it was assembled overseas. Now I know my Jeep was assembled in Toledo. So this has been educational for me as well.
When I got rid of it, I looked into buying a Jeep hybrid, but they werent available yet. They were widely available in Europe. I think the job expansion in the US is because of the hybrid.
Which actually dispells TWO Romney myths simultaneosuly.
1) Jeep jobs going overseas
2) there is no future in alternative energy technologies

I can't believe more people can't see what a fraud this guy is.

Wrong and inconsistent on so many counts.

From the time he declared, "I've been a hunter all my life" I knew he was full of it.

One of my Toyotas is built in the US - the other in Canada. Close enough.

[Eliezer]

MiddleWay wrote:

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Correct. Messianic Jews do not follow the pagan customs of rome but follow the Torah, as Jesus commanded.

Some messianic "Jews" may have been born to Jewish mothers, hence that would make them technically Jewish. But their hodge podge of Christianity with a slight seasoning of Judaism can hardly be called "Jewish", and certainly not a part of Judaism. They are practicing Christian evangelism, and trying to paint it as being Jewish.
We in Israel are NOT the US, nor should we be judged by US laws and values. We also aren't Saudi Arabia or some other backward Arab country. We ARE a Jewish State, founded as a homeland for the Jewish people. We should be allowed to determine for ourselves whether we want to be forced to allow evangelical Christians, proseletising Muslems, adamant Buddhists, or any other religion to attempt to convert our people. We tolerate and even support normative Christian and Muslim practice here, but trying to convert Jews to other religions in our homeland would be not far from kidnapping the Pope in Rome, and forcing him to pray 5 times a day to Allah.
That said, a bomb is NOT an acceptable tool in any form of religious debate, no matte who's side I'm on. The perpetrators should be prosecuted, and the penalty is stiff here (western style). But keep these christian fanatics claiming to be jews away, we don't need them.

[Eric]

Voluntarist wrote:

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That is correct, but what facts do you rely on that the constitution is applicable to me or anyone else?

CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT

PREAMBLE.

The People of Connecticut acknowledging with gratitude, the good providence of God, in having permitted them to enjoy a free government; do, in order more effectually to define, secure, and perpetuate the liberties, rights and privileges which they have derived from their ancestors; hereby, after a careful consideration and revision, ordain and establish the following constitution and form of civil government.

[Eric]

ARTICLE FOURTEENTH.

OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CONSTITUTION.

This proposed constitution, submitted by the Constitutional Convention of 1965, shall become the constitution of the state of Connecticut upon approval by the people and proclamation by the governor as provided by law.

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Approved at referendum on December 14, 1965; proclaimed by the Governor as adopted on December 30, 1965.