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#42043
Oct 18, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po litics/2012/10/billy-grahams-w ebsite-removes-mormonism-from- cult-list/
Billy Graham’s Website Removes ‘Mormonism’ From Cult List
We can all sleep easy tonight. Now if we can only get him to remove Reason from his cult list.
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#42044
Oct 18, 2012
 
Frijoles wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po litics/2012/10/billy-grahams-w ebsite-removes-mormonism-from- cult-list/
Billy Graham’s Website Removes ‘Mormonism’ From Cult List
Well good for him. He removed Jews from the list of those destined for eternal damnation for not accepting the christian god.
For which he has been soundly 'roasted' by other good christians.
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#42045
Oct 18, 2012
 
Yeah, but he didnt remove the Mormons from his list out of the goodness of his heart, he did it so it he could endorse Mitt and not be criticized as a hypocrite.

On the other hand - he may be the rare example of someone who attempts to be consistent with their views - as shallow as his attempts are....
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Oct 18, 2012
 
LOL
three weeks to election:
"so little time, so much to redistribute"

New jobs numbers:
"you're better off now than four weeks ago"

Media:
"who else do we have to protect us except the press"

Polls:
"latest poll shows Obama leading from behind."

Church relations:
"softened the impact of Obamacare mandates by publishing them in Latin"
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Intro:
"Everybody take your seats, or Clint Eastwood will yell at them"

"New York has a big choice in the next few weeks. Which one of us do you want holding up traffic for the next four years"

"I had a much better 2nd debate after the great nap I had - at the 1st debate."

@Chris Matthews
"Four years ago I gave him a thrill up his leg - this year I gave him a stroke."

"I've learned there are worse things than forgetting to buy an anniversay gift for your wife."

"I went shopping at some stores in midtown, Mitt was shipping for stores in midtown."

"Yankee Stadium - the house that Ruth built. But, to be clear - Babe Ruth did not build that."

What we have in common:
"Our middle names - Mitt is actually his middle name..I wish I could use my middle name."
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#42047
Oct 19, 2012
 
This is the presidential elections are reduced to these times.

The two 'Prime Actors" coming on stage and performing so that people could decide who is the better actor (or bigger liar) of the two.

And this they called Choice and Democracy?

Is it Choice and Democracy?

There should be a Third Option, I reject both the clowns and I want re-election!!

I am sure more than 90 % of people would vote for Third Option.!!

Long Live Democracy, Long live the "Live Show" of two "Main Political parties".... who are able to pull the wool over most people by this so called "Democratic Elections"!!
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#42048
Oct 19, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
This is the presidential elections are reduced to these times.
The two 'Prime Actors" coming on stage and performing so that people could decide who is the better actor (or bigger liar) of the two.
And this they called Choice and Democracy?
Is it Choice and Democracy?
There should be a Third Option, I reject both the clowns and I want re-election!!
I am sure more than 90 % of people would vote for Third Option.!!
Long Live Democracy, Long live the "Live Show" of two "Main Political parties".... who are able to pull the wool over most people by this so called "Democratic Elections"!!
Ummm...you do know that Obama (Clown #2 in your scheme) is running for re-election?
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Oct 19, 2012
 
COR wrote:
1. A book of ancient myths is not proof. Stories passed down from generation to generation are not proof. Number of adherents, regardless of how zealous they are about their faith, is not proof of any underlying truths. You do not have proof. You have faith which is belief WITHOUT evidence.

2. I can think of far more books of mythology better written than the Quran: Beowulf, The Odyssey, The Iliad just to name a few.

3. You are engaging in strawmen arguments with regards to single parenting statistics. Putting aside the fact that you make statements of statistics without any corroborating references to statistical studies or without demonstrating causation over correlation,

4. Finally, why do you keep saying "you people"? I think and speak for myself. If you are going to respond to my posts, you should address me directly and stop worrying about what other people have to say.
Ans.

01. If it is such a simple book as you claim, there would have been hundreds of similar books available in market (did not hundred odds Gospels flooded the market place within a short space of a few decades).

That with repeated challenges, no one came forward then and not in past 1400 years, your words look hollow.

Opponents of Quran also called it "nothing but a collection of ancient tales" and "If we wish we could write a book like it"

But they were mere hollow claims. And you are saying just the same.

We have faith and we have PROOF also for the faith. In you case you have mere theories and no proof.

02. Yes I could also refer you to many books of mythology, there is no dearth of it. But Quran is unique it is the word of God and no Myth.

03. The one who created men and women has certainly right to dictate them.

You are saying only about women, in Quran both men and women are directed to perform their roles. So your objections have no weight.

04. When you accuse islam do you accuse me or all Muslims? Why are you so incensed when I reply back?

You are representing Western thoughts and practices and you consider me as a representative of Islam and Muslims.

So why you should take umbrage if I criticize western practices as yours?
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#42050
Oct 19, 2012
 
The Clown # 2 got elected first time because people had no "Third Option".

The Real gainers are the two major political parties, who get richer one way or the other.

Choose Tweedledee or Tweedledum.... it is same for them... they shed crocodile tears at the loss and within next four years come back to power.

It is poor suckers (the people) who have no real choice.!!

This is the "best democracy" in the world!!

““You must not lose faith ”

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#42051
Oct 19, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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01. In fact we are the ONLY one with proof!! It is you people who are taking only based on assumption. We have statements right from the Creator Himself what could be a Greater proof?

And if any one who thinks that our Book is not from God, there is an open challenge for all humans to bring a book like it, ten chapter like tr or even one chapter like it.

end quote.

Well this is th perfect opportunity to throw in the disappearance of the last chapter of the quraan (from memory chapter 115).
Since Muh Ahmed liked it so much and found it so true that he did not want to share his favoured most loved god-speak, with the world.

I find that very jealouse and strange behaviour.
So what does tradition tell us about that?

What's with calling every bunk 'a wife'?
Since most hold that he was only ever married to one women and that was Kadhiya.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#42052
Oct 19, 2012
 
http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads...
This could safe us at least 170,000 posts in discussions or rather the orrible famous doctor being quoted forever.
Though mind it's a 1980 text.
But it gives a good idea how Arabia and muslims look at their own and other faiths.
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#42053
Oct 19, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
The Clown # 2 got elected first time because people had no "Third Option".
The Real gainers are the two major political parties, who get richer one way or the other.
Choose Tweedledee or Tweedledum.... it is same for them... they shed crocodile tears at the loss and within next four years come back to power.
It is poor suckers (the people) who have no real choice.!!
This is the "best democracy" in the world!!
Go back to your former post. You essentially said there were three options. Clown 1, Clown 2, or just re-elect. Well the re-elect guy is also one of your clowns.

Did you ever learn about Venn diagrams in school?

When you decide it is time to make sense, we are all ears.
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#42054
Oct 19, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
The Clown # 2 got elected first time because people had no "Third Option".
The Real gainers are the two major political parties, who get richer one way or the other.
Choose Tweedledee or Tweedledum.... it is same for them... they shed crocodile tears at the loss and within next four years come back to power.
It is poor suckers (the people) who have no real choice.!!
This is the "best democracy" in the world!!
Its more a democracy than the hole you post from. Thats good enough for us.

Hows that Arab spring doing? Feeling any more free?
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Oct 19, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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02. Yes I could also refer you to many books of mythology, there is no dearth of it. But Quran is unique it is the word of God and no Myth.
As we say here in the land of the free..."Wheres the beef?"

i.e. show us the proof, honey.
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#42056
Oct 19, 2012
 
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's so wonderful that messianic christianity is enabling confused christians to get out of christianity and realize they've been working off of mistranslated and misinterpreted Hebrew texts which is called the Old Testament.
Probably true of all religions, including Judaism itself,

The Brothers Grimm couldn't have written it any better.

But we still enjoy it. What the hell.
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...."Our middle names - Mitt is actually his middle name..I wish I could use my middle name."
The Al Smith Dinner. Very funny. Watched it live on CSPAN.

The host (Al's great grandson) and Cardinal Doloan were pretty funny too.

4 years ago McCain totally cracked me up. Irishman.
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Oct 19, 2012
 
MAAT wrote:
http://www.islamicbulletin.com /free_downloads/quran/history_ of_quranic_text.pdf
This could safe us at least 170,000 posts in discussions or rather the orrible famous doctor being quoted forever.
Though mind it's a 1980 text.
But it gives a good idea how Arabia and muslims look at their own and other faiths.
rabbee: the insane-frankenpost: the ability to make a dead post look alive, from the mind of a criminal with insufficient shock treatment. using the ability to spur a physically reluctant dead horse, to make it go mentally faster.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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#42059
Oct 19, 2012
 
the zombie post: the attempt to make, a very dead muhammed appear alive. the night of the unliving, litte jihad sheetheads.

the mudane frankenpost: attempted murder, using exteemly boring franken-cut and paste., to try and resurrect already dead books.
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Oct 19, 2012
 
Just got back the test results and it reads that I am of Saffardic Jew descent! I am really a Chicano but I guess I got some Jew in my bloods ese! Y Que ese? Quires pedo?

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Oct 19, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
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01. If it is such a simple book as you claim, there would have been hundreds of similar books available in market (did not hundred odds Gospels flooded the market place within a short space of a few decades).
That with repeated challenges, no one came forward then and not in past 1400 years, your words look hollow.
Opponents of Quran also called it "nothing but a collection of ancient tales" and "If we wish we could write a book like it"
But they were mere hollow claims. And you are saying just the same.
We have faith and we have PROOF also for the faith. In you case you have mere theories and no proof.
02. Yes I could also refer you to many books of mythology, there is no dearth of it. But Quran is unique it is the word of God and no Myth.
03. The one who created men and women has certainly right to dictate them.
You are saying only about women, in Quran both men and women are directed to perform their roles. So your objections have no weight.
04. When you accuse islam do you accuse me or all Muslims? Why are you so incensed when I reply back?
You are representing Western thoughts and practices and you consider me as a representative of Islam and Muslims.
So why you should take umbrage if I criticize western practices as yours?
1. The only proof you've offered is of your ignorance and inability to reason. If you had proof, faith would not be required. Duh!

2. No proof that Quran is the word of god. Faith has blinded you to reason and transformed you into a parrot capable of only repeating a few memorized rhetorical statements.

3. It is your Quran that has no wait. It is a meaningless book written by humans for humans with no divine inspiration.

4. When discussing your points, I address you, not "you people". You stand as an individual and if you make foolish statements, you are criticized as an individual.

5. You criticize modern practices, not western practices. It's certainly your prerogative to live a primitive, backwards life, but then your complaints ring hollow when you criticize the rest of the world for being more successful then what your backwards mentality can provide.
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Pedo wrote:
Just got back the test results and it reads that I am of Saffardic Jew descent! I am really a Chicano but I guess I got some Jew in my bloods ese! Y Que ese? Quires pedo?
I think you are confused.
The results probably said:
syphilis - positive
NOT saffardis - positive

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