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Since: Aug 11

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#42024 Oct 17, 2012
former res wrote:
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The ones I know have no intention of leaving the church.
"I won't let them run me out," is more or less the refrain I hear.
It's like a loved one who may be a pain in the axs but you still love him/her.
The empty pews and the latest polls tell a different story. I predict that trend will continue, with one serious unknown, which is the reaction of the older more loyal generation. I foresee the indoctrination of children by this older generation getting tougher as they get more desperate. I'm noticing the fanatics getting more fanatical (just like the GOPs). Only time will tell.
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42025 Oct 17, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The empty pews and the latest polls tell a different story. I predict that trend will continue, with one serious unknown, which is the reaction of the older more loyal generation. I foresee the indoctrination of children by this older generation getting tougher as they get more desperate. I'm noticing the fanatics getting more fanatical (just like the GOPs). Only time will tell.
It probably also doesnt help their cause that their church is divesting their property as fast as they can to pay their legal bills.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#42026 Oct 17, 2012
former res wrote:
Attitudes of Christians towards abortion
Catholics
A majority of U.S. and Australian Catholics hold different views that differ from the official doctrine of their church. In a 1995 survey, 64% of U.S. Catholics say they disapprove of the statement that "abortion is morally wrong in every case".[39] A 2008 survey found that 65% of American Catholics identified themselves as "pro-choice" but also found that 76% of these "pro-choice" Catholics believed that abortion should be significantly restricted.[67] Some 58% of American Catholic women feel that they do not have to follow the abortion teaching of their bishop.[68] Only 22% of U.S. Catholics agree with their church that abortion should be illegal in all cases.[69]
A 1996 survey found that 72% of Australian Catholics say that the decision to have an abortion "should be left to individual women and their doctors."[39]
Protestants
According to a 2002 survey conducted by the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, fundamentalist Christians are more likely to be pro-life than all other respondents, including mainline Protestants. Twenty-eight percent of fundamentalists thought abortion should be illegal even if there was a strong chance of birth defects whereas only nine percent of mainline Protestants held the same opinion. Seventy percent of fundamentalists felt that the desire not to have more children was not a sufficient justification for having an abortion while mainline Protestants were almost evenly divided on this question. However, an overwhelming majority of both fundamentalists and mainline Protestants indicated that they would support abortion in cases where the pregnancy endangered the mother's life.[70]
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/greenwich-ct/...
rabbee: well who cares what any of the subtle beasts and their followers, have to say about abortion? when the top and bottom line, is what does G-D say about it. you have to be an abortion against G-D, to even support any abortion of the beasts.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#42027 Oct 17, 2012
MAAT wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10 /17/paul-ryan-defends-binders- of-women/
Some of the comments really hit home.
Can Romney manage even one thought that does not need reinterpretation and brushing up by Ryan.
The next dabate is all about foreign affairs.
I wonder whether a gagging order will be imposed on Romney. He's capable of blurting out state-secrets.
rabbee: does it really matter, which antiG-D beast, is going to screw you their own way? the best method, is to not let the lemmings gather momentum for another four years.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42028 Oct 17, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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It probably also doesnt help their cause that their church is divesting their property as fast as they can to pay their legal bills.
True, but I'm referring to all denominations, not just Catholics.
SeasideSoon

Fortson, GA

#42029 Oct 17, 2012
MAAT wrote:
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http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2012/10/17/...
Indeed. I made a typo first: cartons :)
I like the one of Romney with the inset look of the young lady.
The more i see, the harder it is to believe that republicans choose this person as their best options.
Something dreadfull is going on over the pond!
I'm not going to wonder about it -the poll here shows Obama 58% well ahead- after a busy day arranging, i'm going to do some relaxing reading. So take care folks and check your locks!
Better Sandra Fluke, the poster girl for free sex.
SeasideSoon

Fortson, GA

#42030 Oct 17, 2012
"The economic condition of the country was better the year before last year, and last year it was better than it is at present. It's obvious that we would not be able to survive another year of the same progression..." ~Atlas Shrugged

Perhaps "progressivism" a more suitable term.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42031 Oct 17, 2012

Mohammad , the Ideal Prophet By SYED SULAIMAN NADWI (Abridged) Part- 24A

Lecture 4. The Perfectness of the Holy Prophet’s Life

&#61472;Available Details of his life:(Contd.)

The holy Prophet’s morals and manners are described in complete detail, under
these subtitles:

a general description of his noble character;

his steadfastness;

his polite manners;

his fair dealing;

his love of justice;

his kindness and generosity;

his self-sacrifice;

his dislike of beggary;

his refusal to accept any charity for his personal use;

his acceptance of gifts;

his avoidance of asking others for help;

his hatred of violence;

his dislike of fault finding with others and self-praise;

the simplicity and spontaneity of his manners;

his avoidance of the display of riches and showing off;

his modesty;

his love of equality;

his dislike of undue praise and flattery;

his preference to do his work with his own hands;

his fortitude;

his courage;

his truthfulness;

keeping his promises;

his self-denial and contentment;

his treatment of the infidels and non-believers;

his treatment of the Jews and Christians;

his kindness to the poor;

his forgiveness for his deadly enemies and his praying for them;

his love of children;

his treatment of women;

his love of animals;

his kindness and courtesy for everyone;

the tenderness of his heart;

his cheerful temperament;

his affection and love for his own children and his wives.

Another standard biography, Zad-ul-Ma ‘ad, by Hafiz Ibn Qayyim, deals in great length, with the personal aspect of his personality.

I have presented before you only a partial list of the subheadings of certain details about the holy Prophet’s life.

You can judge for yourself and form some idea of how the more significant and basic features of the holy prophet’s life must have been collected and recorded, and in what detail, considering these smaller details which have so meticulously been recorded and preserved. In short, all aspects of his life have been observed and re corded.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#42032 Oct 18, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Better Sandra Fluke, the poster girl for free sex.
I had to look the person up. Since not even in the sixties did any women endorse free sex. never in history in fact. It is merely the wet dream of men.

quote:
The Rush Limbaugh–Sandra Fluke controversy (pronunciation:/fl&#650;k/ ) began on February 29, 2012, when American conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh's remarks about contraceptive mandates included statements concerning Georgetown University Law Center student Sandra Fluke as a "slut" and "prostitute". Limbaugh was commenting on Fluke's speech the previous week to House Democrats in support of mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives. Despite disapproval from major political figures, Limbaugh made numerous similar statements over the next two days, leading to the loss of several national sponsors and Limbaugh's apology on his show for some of his comments. Fluke rejected the apology as dubious and inadequate.[1][2][3][4][5]

end quote.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42033 Oct 18, 2012
COR wrote:
1. Creator Granted Rights: Since you have no objective proof for a Creator nor his alleged will, your base assumption is unverifiable and nullifies the rest of your assertions.

2. Men Paying for Women: This is a circular argument. According to you, women aren't supposed to work outside of the home, therefore, there is no choice but for men to pay for them. And by men paying for them, this is somehow proof that they should not work? You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you MUQ?

3. Degradation of Family Structure: You've made this assertion before, but when asked for objective data to back up this claim, you failed. Anecdotal tales are not objective evidence. Would you like to try again?
Ans.

01. In fact we are the ONLY one with proof!! It is you people who are taking only based on assumption. We have statements right from the Creator Himself what could be a Greater proof?

And if any one who thinks that our Book is not from God, there is an open challenge for all humans to bring a book like it, ten chapter like tr or even one chapter like it.

02. Men paying for women: It is not a circular argument. It is reality. I ask you to bring statistics from your own society how much money women spent on men and how much money men spent on women.

Forget about our backward society, just talk about modern civilized societies like yours!!

3. Break up of family structure:

Again you should check your own statistics before writing anything.

The number of Children born out of wedlock is more than the numbers that are born in wedlock….does it shows your family structure is getting strengthened?

The number of single parents is on the rise year by year….is that sign the family bond is increasing?

The cases of suicides, mental illness, rapes, kidnappings, incest, domestic violence, child abuse, are all on the rise, does it shows that family structure is increasing.

And the "death knell" is granting these Sodomites and Lesbians the status of "Normal marriage".

Yes now you can say that your "family ties" are getting stronger and stronger. Who has got power to break a Sodomite and Lesbian relationship?

And the best part is that you people think that you are on the road to progress and Freedom!!
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#42034 Oct 18, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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True, but I'm referring to all denominations, not just Catholics.
rabbee: it is not the denominators, that worries me more. than the extreme surplus, of numerators greater than TheOne.

it is hard to believe that about, 7billion acting g-ds could be all that wrong. with every one assuming, they are the g-d of their own not here in TheTorah story.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42035 Oct 18, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. In fact we are the ONLY one with proof!! It is you people who are taking only based on assumption. We have statements right from the Creator Himself what could be a Greater proof?
And if any one who thinks that our Book is not from God, there is an open challenge for all humans to bring a book like it, ten chapter like tr or even one chapter like it.
02. Men paying for women: It is not a circular argument. It is reality. I ask you to bring statistics from your own society how much money women spent on men and how much money men spent on women.
Forget about our backward society, just talk about modern civilized societies like yours!!
3. Break up of family structure:
Again you should check your own statistics before writing anything.
The number of Children born out of wedlock is more than the numbers that are born in wedlock….does it shows your family structure is getting strengthened?
The number of single parents is on the rise year by year….is that sign the family bond is increasing?
The cases of suicides, mental illness, rapes, kidnappings, incest, domestic violence, child abuse, are all on the rise, does it shows that family structure is increasing.
And the "death knell" is granting these Sodomites and Lesbians the status of "Normal marriage".
Yes now you can say that your "family ties" are getting stronger and stronger. Who has got power to break a Sodomite and Lesbian relationship?
And the best part is that you people think that you are on the road to progress and Freedom!!
1. A book of ancient myths is not proof. Stories passed down from generation to generation are not proof. Number of adherents, regardless of how zealous they are about their faith, is not proof of any underlying truths. You do not have proof. You have faith which is belief WITHOUT evidence.

2. I can think of far more books of mythology better written than the Quran: Beowulf, The Odyssey, The Iliad just to name a few.

3. You are engaging in strawmen arguments with regards to single parenting statistics. Putting aside the fact that you make statements of statistics without any corroborating references to statistical studies or without demonstrating causation over correlation, the discussion was about the empowerment of women to make their own decisions about what their life's roles are, and not having men dictate it to them. The fact is, successful, modern societies DO empower women to make their own decisions or in equal collaboration with their husbands. Unsuccessful, antiquated societies DO NOT.

4. Finally, why do you keep saying "you people"? I think and speak for myself. If you are going to respond to my posts, you should address me directly and stop worrying about what other people have to say.
SeasideSoon

Fortson, GA

#42036 Oct 18, 2012
Jim wrote:
I just wanted to say that it is so wonderful that Messianic Judiasm is literally being found all over the world, and people are realizing that a Jewish believer in Yeshua is a “completed” Jew. Although there is persecution in Israel and other parts of the world, God is opening the eyes of people in miraculous ways. Check out some great new Messianic artists and songs at http://www.newfaithfavorites.com .
I think it's so wonderful that messianic christianity is enabling confused christians to get out of christianity and realize they've been working off of mistranslated and misinterpreted Hebrew texts which is called the Old Testament.
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42037 Oct 18, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
2. I can think of far more books of mythology better written than the Quran: Beowulf, The Odyssey, The Iliad just to name a few.
Dont forget Grimms Fairy Tales
SeasideSoon

Fortson, GA

#42038 Oct 18, 2012
And the parade of adminstration incompetency continues:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/libya-securi...

Security practices at the diplomatic compound, where Blue Mountain guards patrolled with flashlights and batons instead of guns

"I don't have a background in security, I've never held a gun in my life," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity out of fear for his safety.

When hired, the commander said he was told "you have great English and get along with everyone and are punctual; we want you to be a guard commander.

The unarmed guards were told to sound the alarm over the radio and then run for cover if there was an attack, a Libyan who acted as a supervisor for the Blue Mountain local guard team at the mission said during an interview with Reuters.

Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42039 Oct 18, 2012
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/...

Billy Graham’s Website Removes ‘Mormonism’ From Cult List
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#42040 Oct 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont forget Grimms Fairy Tales
rabbee: what! no isops feebles, or "fractured fairy tales"?
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42041 Oct 18, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
And the parade of adminstration incompetency continues:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/libya-securi...
Security practices at the diplomatic compound, where Blue Mountain guards patrolled with flashlights and batons instead of guns
"I don't have a background in security, I've never held a gun in my life," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity out of fear for his safety.
When hired, the commander said he was told "you have great English and get along with everyone and are punctual; we want you to be a guard commander.
The unarmed guards were told to sound the alarm over the radio and then run for cover if there was an attack, a Libyan who acted as a supervisor for the Blue Mountain local guard team at the mission said during an interview with Reuters.
ALmost as incompetent as the dunces we had speeding around Bagdad with the automatic weaponry
Frijoles

North Haven, CT

#42042 Oct 18, 2012
Romney Boys Can’t Contain Their Obama Debate Anger
http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/10/1...

The exchanges weren’t the only things getting heated at Tuesday night’s presidential debate. Two of Mitt Romney’s sons got a little hot under the collar watching their dad spar with the president.

Asked on a radio how he felt when Obama called his dad a liar, Romney’s eldest son Tagg said he wanted to “rush down to the stage and take a swing at him.” Tagg also took issue with the president’s campaign trying “to do everything they can to turn my dad into someone he’s not,” which seems like a tall order considering Romney himself has a habit of shifting where he stands.

The Romney sons’ aggression didn’t stop there: Tagg’s brother, Josh, was seen giving the president a death stare during the debate, and that spawned a mini-meme. Menacing maybe, but hardly enough for the Secret Service to get involved.

Since: Aug 11

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#42043 Oct 18, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po litics/2012/10/billy-grahams-w ebsite-removes-mormonism-from- cult-list/
Billy Graham’s Website Removes ‘Mormonism’ From Cult List
We can all sleep easy tonight. Now if we can only get him to remove Reason from his cult list.

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