Their view: No clear gain in dispute over Falklands

The following editorial appeared in this week's Washington Post: You know that an Argentine leader must be in political trouble if the subject of the Falkland Islands has come up again. Full Story
paddy

Chatham, UK

#42 Mar 30, 2010
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
The Malvinas Islands were not England's in the first place, the Malvinas Islands were first founded and settled by the French, before going to Spain, and then to Argentina.
Argentina has a legitimate case.
By the way, the UK may soon lose Quebec, as there is a growing movement desiring Quebec's sovereignty.
P.S there are better history sources than wikipedia.
Tony

AOL

#44 Mar 30, 2010
I once sent emails to all of the governments within the European Union asking them to put pressure on England to do the right thing pertaining Northern Ireland, The Rock of Gibraltar, and the Malvinas Islands. I received an interesting response from Switzerland, which said, "I agree with you, you are right, but we must remain neutral." Many people within the European Union agree with me.
paddy

Chatham, UK

#45 Mar 31, 2010
Tony wrote:
I once sent emails to all of the governments within the European Union asking them to put pressure on England to do the right thing pertaining Northern Ireland, The Rock of Gibraltar, and the Malvinas Islands. I received an interesting response from Switzerland, which said, "I agree with you, you are right, but we must remain neutral." Many people within the European Union agree with me.
did you email all people in the e.u to?
sad man is all i can say letting things bother you that have nothing to do with you but there we go. it takes all sorts.
you actually emailed all governments that says it all really. godbye tony you are not worth it. hahahahahahaha emailed all governments. hahahahahahahaha cheers for brightening my day.

did they reply?
paddy

Chatham, UK

#46 Mar 31, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determinati...

learn something. even from wiki
Tony

AOL

#47 Mar 31, 2010
The world wide web is a wonderful thing, everyone is on it, including all of the governments, you can write to anyone.

And it is all about doing the right thing. Bono from U2 fights to help poor nations in Africa and stuff, and it has nothing to do with him, but he does it anyway, it is all about being a human being on this planet and doing the right thing.

It is called healthy activism.

And it would be good if England actually allowed for self determination, but the USA had to fight against England twice, and in history England has not always allowed for self determination. If when the people of Ireland vote to become part of Ireland and to leave the UK, if the vote is respected by England, and if it can be done peacefully, that would be good.

And on the Malvinas Islands, England should have respected France, Spain, and Argentina, and then there would never have been a problem, but England did not respect them. At this point the best thing for the Malvinas Islands might be to simply give them independence, and let them rule themselves. How long will England and Argentina have a dispute over the Malvinas Islands? And it all came about because England claimed something that already belonged to another nation, and then England refuses to acknowledge that.

And The Rock of Gibraltar means nothing to England, but it is very important to Spain, and must be returned to Spain. The issue could be solved if England would simply sell the Rock of Gibraltar back to Spain.

Then, on the issue of Quebec, England has not allowed for self determination on that issue either, and I hope England does allow for self determination when Quebec votes for sovereignty.

England has not always allowed for self determination, in history it has often taken wars to get England to leave people alone, and to get self determination.

Tony

AOL

#48 Mar 31, 2010
The good people of this planet must be strong and active, and we must work together in good ways, for the betterment of all. For all that it takes for the evil to succeed is for the good people to do nothing.
Tony

United States

#49 Mar 31, 2010
One interesting case in which good people had to get involved, and in which Australia was a hero, was the case of East Timor. Portugal gave East Timor independence, and 9 days later Indonesia invaded East Timor, around 250,000 Christians in East Timor were murdered by Indonesia, before Australia and the UN stopped Indonesia and helped peace to happen in East Timor, and helped enforce independence for East Timor. But, Australia and the UN should have stepped in before the 250,000 Christians in East Timor were murdered by Indonesia. Another thing that could have happened is that Portugal could have threatened to declare war on Indonesia if Indonesia invaded East Timor after Portugal granted East Timor independence. Good people, including good people from Australia, finally stepped in and helped the people of East Timor, which was good, but they should have done it sooner before the 250,000 people were murdered.

The good people must be active in good ways, and we must work together.

Another case is Cyprus, where there has been problems since England granted Cyprus independence. The world should have made Greece and Turkey stay out of Cyprus, and should have forced the people of Cyprus to unite all as citizens of Cyprus, and many problems could have been avoided. The UN and the EU can be active in enforcing peace in Cyprus.

The good people of the world can also be active in promoting peace between India and Pakistan on the issue of Kashmir. I believe that Kashmir should be shared by Pakistan and India, the way that Kansas City is shared by Missouri and Kansas, Kashmir can be something that unites India and Pakistan instead of something which divides them.

The world is full of interesting issues, and the good people of the planet must be active in good ways so that the many issues can be worked out as peacefully as possible and as just as possible.
Tony

United States

#50 Mar 31, 2010
There is also the history of the holocaust, and six million Jews whom were murdered, and the promise "NEVER AGAIN!!!" The good people of the world must be active in good ways and must work together as a team in good ways.
Tony

AOL

#51 Mar 31, 2010
Ted Nugent is also very much an activist, and he considers it a duty.

Video link:

paddy

Chatham, UK

#52 Apr 1, 2010
Tony wrote:
If when the people of Ireland vote to become part of Ireland and to leave the UK, if the vote is respected by England, and if it can be done peacefully, that would be good.
And on the Malvinas Islands, England should have respected France, Spain, and Argentina, and then there would never have been a problem, but England did not respect them. At this point the best thing for the Malvinas Islands might be to simply give them independence, and let them rule themselves.
wasnt this discussed on page 2. i didnt waste my time reading your novel as its propbably the same hypocrisy with a biase against england.

untill you start listening to what people are saying and not quoting wiki theres no point.

funny how england is the only bad guy in the world in your eyes.

like i said im irish and you nonothing of what my people want in northern ireland. well off course its all about what you want. i say my people want to be part of the uk and you say that has to be respected. but you dont agree with that so it is you that do not respect the people wishes.

with that hypocrisy in your post i did not bother reading 90% of yours novel of wiki quotes.
paddy

Chatham, UK

#53 Apr 1, 2010
Tony wrote:
There is also the history of the holocaust, and six million Jews whom were murdered, and the promise "NEVER AGAIN!!!" The good people of the world must be active in good ways and must work together as a team in good ways.
this is a joke but im surprised you are not blaming this one on the evil english.
paddy

Chatham, UK

#54 Apr 1, 2010
Tony wrote:
And on the Malvinas Islands, England should have respected France, Spain, and Argentina, and then there would never have been a problem, but England did not respect them. At this point the best thing for the Malvinas Islands might be to simply give them independence
isnt that what is happening now under u.n law. self determination they can govern themselves. you know independance.

you know what the people want. this has to be respected like you say in every post.

why dont you listen or understand this. just becuase you disagree with it its the law and its actually what you keep saying. its just that you have a biased hatred of england you cannot see past your own nose.

you say give them independance and that votes must be respected. well the votes are respected its just that you dont agree with them.
Isolde

Brisbane, Australia

#55 Apr 1, 2010
Don't encourage him, Paddy. His comments & observations are completely illogical. From his grammar I don't believe he is American anyway. The Falkland Islands belongs to the Falklanders anyway. Who would want to be part of Argentina with their attitude & their record of human rights. The Argentinians should be grateful to Britain. It was through the Argentinian defeat that their brutal government was brought down. How many Argentine citizens were murdered by their own government? Get lost macho-argentina, the Falklanders don't want you.
Tony

AOL

#56 Apr 1, 2010
Paddy, I never said that England was the only bad guy in the world, and as I pointed out, there are some good things about England, such as some of British bands, and I love Shakespeare... But England has done some bad things, and there are a few issues such as we have been discussing. And there was no joke about the holocaust, I was pointing out why the good people of the world need to work together as a team to prevent stuff like that from happening, and no, I do not blame the holocaust on England, and I know we were allies in defeating Germany and stopping all of that. We simply disagree on the issues of the Malvinas Islands, Northern Ireland, and the Rock of Gibraltar.

Isolde, I am an educated American, I was born and raised in California, and there is nothing illogical about my comments and observations. I will continue to support Argentina on the issue of the Malvinas Islands.
Tony

AOL

#57 Apr 1, 2010
Isolde, it says that you are in Australia; Australia can benefit from friendship and trade with Argentina, as well as with other nations within South America and the Western Hemisphere. Argentina is a good country, and you should not be so quick to bash Argentina.
Tony

AOL

#58 Apr 1, 2010
Argentine president thanks Latin America for support on Malvinas Islands

12:04, February 27, 2010

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez on Friday thanked fellow Latin American leaders for their support in its sovereignty dispute with Britain over the Malvinas(Falkland) Islands.

Speaking at a ceremony for "South America Sail 2010" in Mar del Plata, 405 km southeast of Buenos Aires, Fernandez thanked fellow Latin American nations for the declaration issued by the Group of Rio during its summit in Mexico earlier this week.

"I want to thank all the brother countries of Latin America for their unbreakable solidarity in the case to reoccupy our Malvinas Islands," Fernandez said.

Chilean President Michelle Bachelet on Friday reiterated support for Argentina's rights over the Malvinas Islands and stressed the "strategic" ties between the two countries.

"Chile has always taken the only posture of recognizing the legitimate rights of Argentina on the Malvinas Islands," Bachelet said in Mar del Plata, after attending the ceremony.

"On this occasion I want to express my deepest conviction about the strategic importance of our bilateral ties," Bachelet said.

Argentine Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana denied in a statement on Thursday that his country would use military force to reoccupy the Malvinas Islands.

"The Argentine democracy will never allow the use of force to reoccupy the islands. We will use all the resources of the international law to defend the sovereignty of our country," Taiana said.

Argentina and Britain have been at odds over the sovereignty of the islands for decades, and their dispute led to a 74-day war in 1982, which ended in the defeat of Argentina.

The Malvinas, or the Falklands as the British call it, are home to 3,000 people of British descent and is controlled by Britain, but Argentina maintains they are part of its Tierra del Fuego province.

Four British companies have been trying to explore oil in the waters off Malvinas after the 1982 war between Britain and Argentina, reports said.

Source: Xinhua

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777...
Tony

AOL

#59 Apr 1, 2010
Before you go bashing Latins, you should know that California's number one trade partner is Mexico, and the wealthiest man in the world, Carlos Slim, is Mexican.
Ruben

Lanus, Argentina

#60 Apr 2, 2010
Hey, Tony, I really enjoyed you doing Shakespeare, it's excellent!!

Now, going to the matter, British always act pursuing their principle: to take over by force what belongs to others, and never paid for that. The formula has proven to be effective: invade a land, then put their people (if possible, the worst of the British society)in there, and finally refuse the subsequent claim from the legal owners argumenting something like ''We will do what our people there want we do'.
paddy

Chatham, UK

#61 Apr 2, 2010
Ruben wrote:
Hey, Tony, I really enjoyed you doing Shakespeare, it's excellent!!
Now, going to the matter, British always act pursuing their principle: to take over by force what belongs to others, and never paid for that. The formula has proven to be effective: invade a land, then put their people (if possible, the worst of the British society)in there, and finally refuse the subsequent claim from the legal owners argumenting something like ''We will do what our people there want we do'.
You could say the exact same thing about the spanish empire and the land that is now known as argentina.

Are you not of spanish decent? If you are then you have the blood of colonialists running through you just as much as the white man does.
paddy

Chatham, UK

#62 Apr 2, 2010
Tony wrote:
Before you go bashing Latins, you should know that California's number one trade partner is Mexico, and the wealthiest man in the world, Carlos Slim, is Mexican.
Nothing against latin americans. Just dont like the idea that the caricom nations do not support u.n laws of self determination.

caricom has far more trade with the e.u than it does argentina, more of its students come to the u.k for an education than they do argentina and more investment comes from the uk and e.u than it does argentina. yet they support the argentine claim to colonise land against the wishes of the people?

u.n laws are there for a reason.

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