Their view: No clear gain in dispute over Falklands

The following editorial appeared in this week's Washington Post: You know that an Argentine leader must be in political trouble if the subject of the Falkland Islands has come up again. Full Story
New Pope

Mission Viejo, CA

#542 Jul 13, 2013
New Pope wrote:
The new Pope is from Argentina.
Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Pope Francis welcome in Malvinas, says priest

By David Andrew Hughes, Herald staff.

PUERTO ARGENTINO/ STANLEY - The head of the Catholic Church in the Malvinas Islands, Monsignor Michael McMarcam, told the Herald last night that he was delighted by the news of Pope Francis’ election.

“I am delighted first of all of having a new pope so quickly, and quite excited about the prospect of an Argentine cardinal becoming the new pope. I think it’s going create some very interesting reaction. But I’m sure the more we get to know who he is, and know a little bit more about him, we will get the same kind of rapport as we received from Pope Benedict,” McMarcam said.“He will be received as the pope, and will be listened as the pope, doesn’t matter where he comes from,” he said.

“He looked very serene and dignified. The Catholic congregation is very small in the island. But, how do the people will react to having a Argentine pope? It will take a bit of time, but he will be seen more as the pope rather than an Argentine,” McMarcam said.

“His first visit will be to Argentina, I would like to think perhaps he will be able to say some words to sooth the situation, a situation which is not real, is created by politics, that’s my view, and I don’t think I’m alone,” he added.

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/1263...
Brianna has blue iiiii

Washington, DC

#543 Jul 13, 2013
Tony wrote:
Start at the very beginning of this thread and read all of the posts, everything pertaining this issue has already been discussed.
tony you have a hidden agenda, try as you may your not scoring points. The islanders are very pro British and thats what counts, you are anti British and you (don't) count. Your historic rant comes up short.
Tony

Mission Viejo, CA

#545 Jul 20, 2013
Brianna has blue iiiii wrote:
<quoted text> tony you have a hidden agenda, try as you may your not scoring points. The islanders are very pro British and thats what counts, you are anti British and you (don't) count. Your historic rant comes up short.
Baloney. You need to start at the beginning and read the whole thread.

The Mavinas Islands must be returned to Argentina, Northern Ireland must be returned to Ireland, and the Rock of Gibraltar must be returned to Spain. Maybe the new Pope can help on these issues, the same as Pope John Paul II was able to help on many issues.

Sincerely,

Tony V.
Terry Hill

São Paulo, Brazil

#546 Jul 20, 2013
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Baloney. You need to start at the beginning and read the whole thread.
The Mavinas Islands must be returned to Argentina, Northern Ireland must be returned to Ireland, and the Rock of Gibraltar must be returned to Spain. Maybe the new Pope can help on these issues, the same as Pope John Paul II was able to help on many issues.
Sincerely,
Tony V.
There's no "must" unless the inhabitants choose such a course, as it would contrary to the UN Charter, and thus be be illegal.
Groo

Broken Arrow, OK

#547 Jul 20, 2013
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Baloney. You need to start at the beginning and read the whole thread.
The Mavinas Islands must be returned to Argentina, Northern Ireland must be returned to Ireland, and the Rock of Gibraltar must be returned to Spain. Maybe the new Pope can help on these issues, the same as Pope John Paul II was able to help on many issues.
Sincerely,
Tony V.
Regarding the Falklands, how can you return something to someone who has never owned it.

Ireland is a very complicated history, the people who live there have origins from various sources, those in Northern Ireland have a majority who support staying in the UK. Irish history is one littered with invasions from one source or another, after the Romans left they themselves moved en mass to Scotland and Wales and themselves were ruled by Viking Kings. A united Ireland may one day come about and be assured if there was a vote today by the people of Northern Ireland to leave the UK and join Southern Ireland the British government would very likely not stand in their way.

Gibralter was a legitimate trophy of a war many years ago, signed over by the defeated Spanish. It gave Britain a port in an important area which would have been used to enable them to defend against any further attacks by the Spanish or French. The people of Gibralter don't want to become part of Spain, and these are not British implants (nor are the people of the Falklands by the way, some of whom can trace their lineage back to the settlers of Vernet).
BritBob

Eton, UK

#548 Jul 20, 2013
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Baloney. You need to start at the beginning and read the whole thread.
The Mavinas Islands must be returned to Argentina, Northern Ireland must be returned to Ireland, and the Rock of Gibraltar must be returned to Spain. Maybe the new Pope can help on these issues, the same as Pope John Paul II was able to help on many issues.
Sincerely,
Tony V.
You need to do a bit more research mate.

The UN Fourth Committee in 2008, after a prolonged discussion on whether the fundamental human right to 'self-determination' could be conditioned where there was a sovereignty dispute, voted that any sovereignty dispute could not condition this right as the right to 'self-determination' was too fundamental a human right to have conditions placed upon it.

also,

'The World's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves, must have complete freedom in deciding their own future status,' Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon told a forum on decolonization today (2010).

But of course, Tin pot politicians like Kirchner and Timerman neglect to tell their people about this when they make their,'They are implants''they have no rights' remarks against Falkland Islanders.

Still,'the Great Malvinas Lie' is always a good one to throw out of the bag when the country is facing economic crisis. What else would the Peronists do without it????
Deanstreet

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#549 Jul 20, 2013
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Baloney. You need to start at the beginning and read the whole thread.
The Mavinas Islands must be returned to Argentina, Northern Ireland must be returned to Ireland, and the Rock of Gibraltar must be returned to Spain. Maybe the new Pope can help on these issues, the same as Pope John Paul II was able to help on many issues.
Sincerely,
Tony V.
Instead of hoping for papal or divine intervention, I suggest you get down to earth, start living in the real world, get to grips, and read United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1541 for starters..

This may be found at the UN Website, of which is a link to:
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp...

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#550 Jul 20, 2013
People fighting over a frigid, treeless windswept rock good for only raising sheep.
Well its better then India and Pakistan fighting over a 14,000 high glacier where the climate can kill you dead in a minute. Or Korea and Japan fighting over an Island a goat would starve on. Or Greece and Macedonia fighting over Macedonia name.
People are crazy.
BritBob

Eton, UK

#551 Jul 20, 2013
californio wrote:
People fighting over a frigid, treeless windswept rock good for only raising sheep.
Well its better then India and Pakistan fighting over a 14,000 high glacier where the climate can kill you dead in a minute. Or Korea and Japan fighting over an Island a goat would starve on. Or Greece and Macedonia fighting over Macedonia name.
People are crazy.
No one is fighting. The islands are legally and morally British as long as the inhabitants want it that way. It is called self-determination - a fundamental human right.

Argentina does not have a valid claim otherwise they would have taken their case to the UNICJ, the only place where a legal judgement can be made on a sovereignty case. My guess is that Argentina's case would be laughed out of court. But Argentina will not use the UN ICJ because that would expose the 'Great Malvinas Lie'. The Peronists prefer to use the 'Malvinas Card' every time the economy takes a downturn in order to hide political and economic mismanagement.

Argentina's case is based on proximity ONLY and is no stronger than Canada claiming Alaska because it's closer.
Deanstreet

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#552 Jul 20, 2013
californio wrote:
People fighting over a frigid, treeless windswept rock good for only raising sheep.
Well its better then India and Pakistan fighting over a 14,000 high glacier where the climate can kill you dead in a minute. Or Korea and Japan fighting over an Island a goat would starve on. Or Greece and Macedonia fighting over Macedonia name.
People are crazy.
yeah...

But its my home..

And I'll fight to the bitter end to protect my home..

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
dean es PUTO

Cordoba, Argentina

#553 Jul 21, 2013
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah...
But its my home..
And I'll fight to the bitter end to protect my home..
Kindest regards from MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
BAck to the uk,ROYAL PELOTUDO? Visiting the military buddies? ANDA A KAGAR! HIJO de MIL PUT......MALVINAS AR>GENTINAS;that is the future,scum,troll,excrement..u k will be destroyed.
Join the coalition for the re`parations of british crimes

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#554 Jul 21, 2013
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah...
But its my home..
And I'll fight to the bitter end to protect my home..
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
That I understand.Fighting to defend your home and family is something every decent person will do.. But why would anyone want to invade your home and take it I dont understand.
BritBob

Staines, UK

#555 Jul 21, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> That I understand.Fighting to defend your home and family is something every decent person will do.. But why would anyone want to invade your home and take it I dont understand.
So the US would calmly hand over Guam to Japan or Alaska to Canada because they're closer?

The fact is Canada and Japan do not have a legal right to possess Guam or Alaska. The moral right also rests with the occupants of those places and their rights to self-determination.
Tony

Corona, CA

#556 Aug 11, 2013
Gibraltar: Spain considers joint diplomatic offensive with Argentina over Falkland Islands
Spain is considering forging an anti-British alliance with Argentina, adopting its strategy over the Falklands Islands, as the diplomatic row over Gibraltar intensifies.

Spanish foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo will use a trip to Buenos Aires next month to raise the possibility of forging a joint diplomatic offensive with the South American country over the disputed territories, sources told Spain's El Pais newspaper.

Spain's foreign ministry was also discussing whether to take its complaints over Gibraltar to the United Nations, the newspaper reported on Sunday.

Read more...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...
Tony

Corona, CA

#557 Aug 11, 2013
Spain, Ireland, and Argentina, need to unite in their efforts against England.
Deanstreet

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#559 Aug 11, 2013
Tony wrote:
Spain, Ireland, and Argentina, need to unite in their efforts against England.
Don't forget Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and the commonwealth are alongside England..

You twit...

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
Guaranteed

Corona, CA

#560 Aug 11, 2013
Obama hates England; Obama even gave England back the bust of Winston Churchill! Obama would take the side of Argentina, Spain, and Ireland, against England. Guaranteed.

Plus the Pope will support Argentina, and Ireland, and Spain, over England.
Terry Hill

São Paulo, Brazil

#561 Aug 11, 2013
Guaranteed wrote:
Obama hates England; Obama even gave England back the bust of Winston Churchill! Obama would take the side of Argentina, Spain, and Ireland, against England. Guaranteed.
Plus the Pope will support Argentina, and Ireland, and Spain, over England.
In spite of claims to the contrary the US has recognized British sovereignty to the Islands since 1875. Thus, even Presidents cannot behave arbitrarily.

"...In 1875 the United States opened a consulate in Stanley, with a paid full-time American consul, thus abandoning the US governments earlier policy of not recognising any territorial sovereignty in the Falklands...."

Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
John Steed

Liverpool, UK

#562 Aug 11, 2013
californio wrote:
People fighting over a frigid, treeless windswept rock good for only raising sheep.
Well its better then India and Pakistan fighting over a 14,000 high glacier where the climate can kill you dead in a minute. Or Korea and Japan fighting over an Island a goat would starve on. Or Greece and Macedonia fighting over Macedonia name.
People are crazy.
I often wonder why people want to live in Nebraska but they do and like those crazy Nebraskans the Falkland Islanders have the right to come together as a community and decide how their islands are run and who runs them its the principle that founded the United States and traces its lineage through that to Magna Carta and the Greeks. There really isnt an Argentine claim but there is plenty of evidence that their government has cultivated a national fable that they can use to distract people whenever the economy looks bad.
John Steed

Liverpool, UK

#563 Aug 11, 2013
Tony wrote:
Who is misguided?
If the USA did not defeat the British twice, we would not have our freedom that we enjoy today. And England also threatened to enter our Civil War on the side of slavery, but if England would have declared war on the Union in the USA then France would have declared war on England, so France and others helped to keep England out of the American Civil War. Read your history, England supported the South and slavery in the USA Civil War, and almost entered the war on the side of slavery. God bless France, whom is a true ally.
Also of note, is that Karl Marx is buried in England.
The only reason that Canada, Scotland, and Australia, have any freedom at all, is because the USA defeated England twice, and England feared that they would revolt as the USA did.
Then there is the history of the bad things that England did to Scotland.
England did bad things all over. And there is the history of Francis Drake, whom was pure evil.
Ireland belongs to Ireland, and the British need to get out of Ireland. The Rock of Gibraltar belongs to Spain, and England needs to get out. And the Malvinas Islands belong to Argentina.
The list of bad things that England has done goes on and on.
Much as i love the US and Americans ive yet to discover one American who can explain to me how they "won" the war if 1812 it was a draw at best. As to the second American civil war the first Americans call " the revolution "you will find that Britain had abolished slavery already and the confederate stance on slavery was a major hinderance to any interferance that and there was very little interest in Britain for getting involved .basically check your facts and dont hate.

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