Big cat blamed in man's death

Full story: Las Cruces Sun-News

The body of a Pinos Altos man was found Friday just 80 yards from his home in what police suspect was a fatal mountain lion attack.

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“Irony, metaphor, film @ eleven”

Since: Feb 08

Old Mesilla/New Las Cruces

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#23
Jun 23, 2008
 
True that TED.....

Nature is where nature is.

With the drought as bad as it has been,
all animals in the area are coming towards
food and water.

Only 3 weeks ago, a small cougar was not spotted
near a neighbor hood, just off I-25 and US70.

It killed a poodle.
Linda Lewis

Fort Collins, CO

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#24
Jun 23, 2008
 
NAWOJSKI FAMILY wrote:
We lost our uncle who was loved very much by his family. He was autistic and loved the woods. We were there on Monday at his house with our kids thats scary enough! But makes me sick to my stomach is that we were never worned! The death certificate is being giving to us along with whats left of him on Monday. They called us today and told us the offical word is he was attacked and killed by the mountain lion on Tuesday night. He was probley standing on the rocks as he loved to star gaze! WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE HIM AND NEVER FORET HIM!
I would like more information from you in order to publish accurate information regarding Robert at my cougar attacks site. If you are willing, please ask reporter Levi Hill (at the email he gives in his article) to get us in contact. I don't know if linking to my site is allowed here as I was unable to read the entire terms of service.

Linda Lewis
Loveland, Colorado
CWFP

Albuquerque, NM

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#25
Jun 24, 2008
 
Linda Lewis wrote:
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I would like more information from you in order to publish accurate information regarding Robert
Linda Lewis
Loveland, Colorado
-mentally disabled

-He would go outside at night and shower in a makeshift shower he had built out in the trees.

-He watered the lion.

-He was snagged out of his "shower" and drug off.

-His neighbors were feeding the cat whole chickens.

-The man was snagged out of his "shower" and drug off.

-Search and rescue could not find him Thurs. night; Fri. morning they found the cat guarding his kill, and they shot at it with the shot gun, because the cat would not "leave his food".

-The lion has been tracked "over the mountain" to a subdivision--where the non-native yuppies put out even MORE food for all the wildlife.
but they have not killed it yet.
Ted

Santa Fe, NM

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#26
Jun 24, 2008
 
The affect of the uninformed on the wilderness is beginning to get serious. We now have a hand-fed lion on the move in Grant County that is wounded, wary, and far more "dangerously educated" than even the average wild animal turned man-eater.

In order that Mr. Nowojski's death not be in vain, I would suggest a fund be set up in his honor, to educate people who would feed wildlife.

I would also request that the would-be lion photographer do the decent thing - come forward and volunteer himself as "BAIT"!
Linda Lewis

Fort Collins, CO

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#28
Jun 24, 2008
 
CWFP wrote:
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-He would go outside at night and shower in a makeshift shower he had built out in the trees.
-He watered the lion.
-He was snagged out of his "shower" and drug off.
-His neighbors were feeding the cat whole chickens.
-The man was snagged out of his "shower" and drug off.
-Search and rescue could not find him Thurs. night; Fri. morning they found the cat guarding his kill, and they shot at it with the shot gun, because the cat would not "leave his food".
-The lion has been tracked "over the mountain" to a subdivision--where the non-native yuppies put out even MORE food for all the wildlife.
but they have not killed it yet.
Thanks CWFP.

Very interesting personal information. I need to source anything I publish. Are you a neighbor, or have you read what you have told me somewhere that I could reference? Whatever is the case, I would like to know how you have gained the knowledge of what you tell me. This is not the first time I have heard about his outdoor shower. This is the first time I have heard that he may have left water out for the lion.

As a personal note of my own, I have a friend who is mentally disabled. He and I have hiked in the outdoors that he also loves. He has great reverence for wildlife and can call to coyotes and wolves. He is cautious about feeding/watering predators, though, when he camps out.
Gato Grande

El Paso, TX

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#29
Jun 24, 2008
 
Here Mr.! Mr.! Mr.!..... Here Mr.! Mr.! Mr.!
Linda Lewis

Fort Collins, CO

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#30
Jun 24, 2008
 
Ted wrote:
The affect of the uninformed on the wilderness is beginning to get serious. We now have a hand-fed lion on the move in Grant County that is wounded, wary, and far more "dangerously educated" than even the average wild animal turned man-eater.
In order that Mr. Nowojski's death not be in vain, I would suggest a fund be set up in his honor, to educate people who would feed wildlife.
I would also request that the would-be lion photographer do the decent thing - come forward and volunteer himself as "BAIT"!
Ted ~

Hear! Hear! The fund is actually a positive idea. I do have contact with lotsa wildlife officials. I'm betting some would actually have means to implement what you suggest. I will pass your idea on.

I can't say I don't find the volunteer bait request funny in this otherwise appropriately sad exchange.
Ted

Santa Fe, NM

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#31
Jun 24, 2008
 
Using a person as "bait" was absolutely not intended as "funny". In other countries (Africa, India...)that is standard procedure in catching a man killer.(In India, a protective cage for the "bait" to sit in, is only optional - suspending them from a tree is preferred.)

And C2 Madre, Why do "you" automatically assume that a fund should be government sponsored? Never ask, or accept, anything from an entity that would invent anything as morally destructive as "social insecurity", or "sick-fare". There never has been a problem that the private sector could not remedy, if it mobilized; or that the government could not make worst, if it got wind of it.
Ryan

Albuquerque, NM

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#32
Jun 24, 2008
 
"Officers contacted Game and Fish authorities. They supposedly took a shot at the lion with a shotgun and believe they wounded it," Anglada said.

......how the hell do you choose a shotgun as your choice of weapon to take down this cat that they knew had already killed a person. Well played. Use a rifle or that pistol on your side idiots. FYI, shotguns don't work well unless you are really close.
Meggan

Santa Fe, NM

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#33
Jun 24, 2008
 
First that little boy was dragged off:
http://www.mystrangenewmexico.com/the-daily-s...

And now someone is actually EATEN! When will people realize that they shouldn't have believed everything they heard in those old Walt Disney movies! Our entire culture looks as if it was built on them.
FYI

Albuquerque, NM

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#34
Jun 24, 2008
 
Albert J Reine wrote:
It's time to have NMFG give out tags for the hunt, human life is more precious, California has had several Mountain Lions kill people, just from bike rides and walking; most likely the cat saw easy prey; The wolf has been taken off the protective list, it's time to have Mountain lion hunts also, if the cat is wounded or rabit it needs to be taken down asap, All life is precious, but sometime you just need to do the right thing; May the Man RIP !


Over-the-counter licenses have been and still are available for hunting mountain lion in almost all of New Mexico. The normal hunt season for most of the state is OCT-MAR and is actually year-round for some areas.
C2 Madre

El Paso, TX

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#35
Jun 24, 2008
 
who cares already its been days and at least he will have a small inexpensive coffin, like yao mings shoe box
Rob

Denver, CO

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#36
Jun 24, 2008
 
Even with a very long hunting season if lions reproduce faster than they are hunted (or run over or shot by fish and game)there is still an over population. Assuming of course that there IS an over population in that part of New Mexico. Along the front range of Colorado the lion quota is never met. Too many lions, too few hunters, too much space where deer are and no hunting.

Speaking of deer, there's your culprit. Perhaps someone was feeding the cat, perhaps not, maybe there is human pressure, perhaps not. But if there are deer, there are lion.

The shotgun was probably loaded with double O, good close range defence, I can't think of much that would be better. Dispersed shot pattern, enough power for good penetration. Remember they were searching and rescuing, not trying to hunt. Lion might well be recuperating or dead.

I always believed lion to be harmless because of fear of humans, but because I see so many tracks and scat it feels as if there are many. Too many sightings. I think every fish and game department is going to have it's hands full in the near future, with so many diametricaly apposed viewpoints and an escalating number of bad encounters.
A L Jones

Santa Fe, NM

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#37
Jun 25, 2008
 
A wounded, man-eating predator on the move; a vast, nearly trackless wilderness; an influx of unwilderwise, towny transplants - Grant Co. New Mexico is beginning to sound like the perfect setting for a stupid, 1980s, "B" rate, horror movie! To bad it's not fiction.
Earnest H

Santa Fe, NM

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#38
Jun 25, 2008
 
Ted is right! Offering themselves up as "bait" could be a way to make atonement for the horror they brought to that poor autistic soul, and his family. And he is correct on the East Indian method of trapping man-eaters. The "bait", traditionally one said to have brought the bad karma of a man-eater on his fellows in the first place, sits on a suspended platform at ground level above a deep, disguised pit. Not too much to ask of those lion feeders, I would think. They could spend their waiting time reflecting on what they did.
NM Backpacker

Santa Fe, NM

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#39
Jun 26, 2008
 
Once again, people are careless. If that boy's parents were watching him on the trail, he would have been okay. This man was bathing on a rock ledge in cougar country. If it wasn't the lion who got him, it would have been something else.
People are to blame.
Meggan wrote:
First that little boy was dragged off:
http://www.mystrangenewmexico.com/the-daily-s...
And now someone is actually EATEN! When will people realize that they shouldn't have believed everything they heard in those old Walt Disney movies! Our entire culture looks as if it was built on them.
NM Long Rider

Santa Fe, NM

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#40
Jun 26, 2008
 
NM Backpacker,

If the man had been backpacking, or anything else ...
it still would have gotten him. Yes it was someones fault, but not the man's who was killed.

I also went to the link,
http://www.mystrangenewmexico.com/the-daily-s...
the boy's parents were watching him. That is why the "mystery cat", or whatever, didn't get away with him.

What do you mean? Just curious.
NM Backpacker

Albuquerque, NM

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#41
Jun 26, 2008
 
That mnt lion in the Gila wasn't out looking for humans in particular. The gentleman made it a "crime of opportunity." He provided the opportunity for easy prey. The fact that the lion had been baited over the last few weeks by his neighbors did not help.
I watched the interview with the little boy's parents. They said that the boy was ahead of them, and not in their sight. He was however, close enough for the father to react in time.
NM Long Rider wrote:
NM Backpacker,
If the man had been backpacking, or anything else ...
it still would have gotten him. Yes it was someones fault, but not the man's who was killed.
I also went to the link,
http://www.mystrangenewmexico.com/the-daily-s...
the boy's parents were watching him. That is why the "mystery cat", or whatever, didn't get away with him.
What do you mean? Just curious.
NM Backpacker

Albuquerque, NM

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#43
Jun 26, 2008
 
that's okay, because nobody likes ignorant comments either. too bad you live in el paso, where the only thing you have to worry about are the degenerate a@*holes like yourself. maybe one of the mnt. lions up in the franklins will come on down and snack on you. then we can just toss your remains in a cracker jack box back over the river where you came from.
retardo wrote:
who cares, i SAID he will now fit in a shoe box, i heard that cat ate his weener, buttwhole, ears, legs and one arm, HEs a one arm bandit, hahahaha, here kitty kitty, i actually dont like retards who shower aoutside and he evenpooped outside in a KFC bucket.
JitneyC2 MadreoteoArango

El Paso, TX

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#44
Jun 26, 2008
 
NM Backpacker wrote:
that's okay, because nobody likes ignorant comments either. too bad you live in el paso, where the only thing you have to worry about are the degenerate a@*holes like yourself. maybe one of the mnt. lions up in the franklins will come on down and snack on you. then we can just toss your remains in a cracker jack box back over the river where you came from.
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i had a fist to paw fight with an illegal and a mountain lion onces whiles i wuz watching beavis and butthead. Judas Priest is coming to el paso

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