Pinos Altos man killed by mountain lion

Pinos Altos man killed by mountain lion

There are 100 comments on the KOB.com Eyewitness News 4 - New Mexico story from Jun 24, 2008, titled Pinos Altos man killed by mountain lion. In it, KOB.com Eyewitness News 4 - New Mexico reports that:

Medical investigators say a mountain lion was responsible for the death of a man who had been reported missing.

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Meg

Santa Fe, NM

#64 Jun 25, 2008
Cheney Cousin 666 - is your real name Charles Montgomery Burns? I always suspected you and George where related.
President Mccain

United States

#65 Jun 26, 2008
My friends, I believe an in depth study of montain lions conducted by democrats in their natural state is in order here. Put the dems out in nature slather them in bacon grease and observe the cougars behavior.
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#66 Jun 26, 2008
nenebaby wrote:
<quoted text>You need to go back to school and learn about wildlife or pick up some books about it. Wild animals are more apt to run away from us unless they feel threatened in anyway. Since when do they kill for sport? I have seen house cat kill and they have either ate their kill or I have ended up with it as a present.
Apparently you don't let your cats get out much. My cats, two sisters, let in my front yard no less than nine dead mice, and placed them all neatly in front of my door as a prize ... uneaten. They had no desire to eat them, and promptly came inside to eat catfood, and winning themselves milk and some real meet from the dinner table for providing such a wonderful service as pets. I love cats.

In fact, cats were BRED for the purpose of KILLING mice! That's why the Egyptians revered them, as incarnations of a goddess to protect them from plagues they knew mice spread. And you think I need to go back to school? I'm a part time teacher, thanks for making totally baseless assumptions about me.

Unfortunately those very same cats of mine are dead, hunted down by wildlife encroaching on my land. I've had cats for many years, and now every cat I've attempted to keep has been snatched up within a month. Lost a dog, too, recently. And I see more and more posters up here in Sandia Park about missing dogs. Humans are not the only victims of wildlife, you know. Our many pets are victims, too.

Yes, animals do run away from humans more often than not. But if they are overpopulating, and therefore running out of food, guess what?

“Day's are too long”

Since: Jun 08

albuquerque

#67 Jun 26, 2008
Rubu wrote:
There are too many Cougars now, plain and simple. The Game Dept isnt allowed to say it but its the truth. The Game Dept will tell you however, that a mountiain lion adult can easily consume a deer a week. With the cats getting that many deer, coyotes getting a third or so of fawns every spring, no wonder we have few deer in N.M. This has, in part, allowed elk numbers to rise to what they have become.(By the way, we have too many coyotes too, they are getting run over on Albuquerque streets). In either case, coyotes or mountain lions, "thinning of the herd" is a very wise old phrase worthy of a comeback.
If there were too many cougars, then there would be a deprivation hunt that would bring down the numbers. My son and nephew go on these hunts every year.
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#68 Jun 26, 2008
Steve wrote:
I find it funny when people forget that in the food chain we are just above a cow. we are food. I feel bad for this man to die such a violent death. as Humans we dont have 3/4 of the defence most other animals have. we have a larger brain. and in a fight for your life most people dont use it. but then again most people today forget to use the larger brain before they got in to trouble. biggest point to remember. We are low in to food chain. use your brain prepare yourself when you go out. for some that means prepare yourself when you go out your front door. some place there is a animal that would love an easy kill.
Excellent point. Humans have no natural defenses except for our brains. Of course, that means making weapons to defend ourselves, and that just doesn't sit well with anti-gun zealots.
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#69 Jun 26, 2008
nenebaby wrote:
<quoted text>The American Indians only took what they needed to survive. We of European descent came and depleted the wildlife. As I said earlier, we are responsible for a lot of the animal extinctions.
100% Mother Earth cult propaganda. I fear the likes of you will begin a new holy war against reason and enlightenment, in the name of your Great Goddess.

We of European descent, have always been true to nature, more so than any other civilization. Only in recent times have our cities swelled to the capacities of the Romans, Persians, and Egyptians in ancient times. Europeans lived mostly in villages, groveling with local lords for meager amounts of food, and forbidden to hunt on the king's preserve under pain of death.

Finally, we Europeans (and you Hispanics are included), have fled from those lords, won our freedom ... only for a new cult to enslave us, rivaling even the Chritian fanatics. All in the name of Gaia.

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#70 Jun 26, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
100% Mother Earth cult propaganda. I fear the likes of you will begin a new holy war against reason and enlightenment, in the name of your Great Goddess.
We of European descent, have always been true to nature, more so than any other civilization. Only in recent times have our cities swelled to the capacities of the Romans, Persians, and Egyptians in ancient times. Europeans lived mostly in villages, groveling with local lords for meager amounts of food, and forbidden to hunt on the king's preserve under pain of death.
Finally, we Europeans (and you Hispanics are included), have fled from those lords, won our freedom ... only for a new cult to enslave us, rivaling even the Chritian fanatics. All in the name of Gaia.
I want what he's smokin....
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#71 Jun 26, 2008
nenebaby wrote:
<quoted text>If there were too many cougars, then there would be a deprivation hunt that would bring down the numbers. My son and nephew go on these hunts every year.
Which the state is soley responsible for determining, for deprivation hunts. How many ranchers (who feed us, and should be respected) have a say when environmentalists and animal protectionists use passion instead of reason to compel the state to do nothing?
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#72 Jun 26, 2008
President Mccain wrote:
My friends, I believe an in depth study of montain lions conducted by democrats in their natural state is in order here. Put the dems out in nature slather them in bacon grease and observe the cougars behavior.
Heck, why don't we just start building arenas again and employing all these criminals we have in jail as gladiators? Throw some mountain lions into the arena and kill two birds with one stone!
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#73 Jun 26, 2008
Daniel in Hobbs wrote:
<quoted text>
I want what he's smokin....
I raided a party where Marxist and environmentalists hang out at UNM, and took some of their high-quality, intellect-stimulating Mary Jane. Want some? I think's its laced with something.
Roger

Santa Fe, NM

#74 Jun 26, 2008
Cheney Cousin 666 wrote:
We can at least put the blame for species conflict where it belongs.
To stand a viable army, in order to deter those "evil doers" (whose only objective, is to one day take our property), our unwashed masses must produce a steady, dependable supply of good quality "get". To whelp large litters of disposable soldiers requires that at least some areas of land be dedicated to their husbandry, i.e. urban concentrations.
But then, there are occasionally those virtually useless, annoying Ferals that tend to crop out, seemingly reverting back to the undomesticated ancestors of useful, well bred, dumbed down cannon-fodder. To make things even worst, these worthless throwbacks are constantly trying to invade our private reserves to breed! Their unsightly little hovels contaminating the pristine wilderness are a vexation to the eye, as well as to the spirit. In the future, any rural habitation not solely accessed by airstrip, or helicopter should be baned.
Perhaps stouter battery cages, and improved radio tagging are the answers.
Outlaw abortion. Abortion is beyond murder - IT IS THEFT!!!
He's talking about battery cages and radio tagging for humans, right?!
And abortion as a "theft" of human slave soldiers, and saying that this is the only important reason that it is wrong!?

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#75 Jun 26, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I raided a party where Marxist and environmentalists hang out at UNM, and took some of their high-quality, intellect-stimulating Mary Jane. Want some? I think's its laced with something.
mmm..yes please...maybe then I can pontificate in a liberal manner more efficiently..cause ya know..they see "the BIG picture"..hehe

“Day's are too long”

Since: Jun 08

albuquerque

#76 Jun 26, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
100% Mother Earth cult propaganda. I fear the likes of you will begin a new holy war against reason and enlightenment, in the name of your Great Goddess.
We of European descent, have always been true to nature, more so than any other civilization. Only in recent times have our cities swelled to the capacities of the Romans, Persians, and Egyptians in ancient times. Europeans lived mostly in villages, groveling with local lords for meager amounts of food, and forbidden to hunt on the king's preserve under pain of death.
Finally, we Europeans (and you Hispanics are included), have fled from those lords, won our freedom ... only for a new cult to enslave us, rivaling even the Chritian fanatics. All in the name of Gaia.
I am by far not Hispanic. I am of German and Russian decent. We have traced my heritage all the way back to Germany and Austria. So don't give me your B.S. I am Roman Catholic. So YOU don't assume you know ME. Do you feel threatened because someone knows more than you do?
Ben

Santa Fe, NM

#77 Jun 26, 2008
Meg wrote:
Cheney Cousin 666 - is your real name Charles Montgomery Burns? I always suspected you and George where related.
Meg, are you talking about Bush Cheney, Clinton, Obama,(and Mr. Burns on The Simpsons) all being related? There was something about this on CNN, I think, not long ago.

If so, could that be what's wrong here. "We the people" are becoming too domesticated (by the one big rich American family that "owns" us all) to deal with predation by wild animals. Sheep are genetically selected to let the shepherds decide what to do. Could that be what is happening to us?

Here's a scary thought, could the "don't bother the pretty predator, even if he is killing us", mindset that is spreading, have been something that was "planted" in order to keep us all in line, and off the overlords' recreational reserves. Has anyone else read "The Time Machine"? People in the story had been selected to be apathetic, and docile, even when the Trogladites came to harvest them. They would just sit and eat like domestic animals, as others of their kind were dragged off screaming.

I took Cheney Cousin 666's post to be nothing more than humorous sarcasm. But what if I am wrong?!! He sure is getting a lot of support. Some of these post are beginning to worry me a little.
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#78 Jun 26, 2008
nenebaby wrote:
<quoted text>I am by far not Hispanic. I am of German and Russian decent. We have traced my heritage all the way back to Germany and Austria. So don't give me your B.S. I am Roman Catholic. So YOU don't assume you know ME. Do you feel threatened because someone knows more than you do?
I didn't assume you were Hispanic at all. I was speaking generally, not about you. And you have no idea whatsoever who knows more of anything. Many people know more than me, and I know many things most people do not. So what? That's what these blogs are about. What a childish thing for you to say.
And whether you are aware of it or not, the growing environmentalist and animal rights movements are quickly becoming as fanatical and dogmatic as the Catholics were centuries ago. To question their assertions brings on venomous, hateful responses. None of them are open-minded enough to see past their own self-righteous rage. Are you one of those? I hope not, but so far you've been quite the environmental comformist on wildlife assertions. But then, the Catholics were never known as free-thinkers, were they?

“Day's are too long”

Since: Jun 08

albuquerque

#79 Jun 26, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't assume you were Hispanic at all. I was speaking generally, not about you. And you have no idea whatsoever who knows more of anything. Many people know more than me, and I know many things most people do not. So what? That's what these blogs are about. What a childish thing for you to say.
And whether you are aware of it or not, the growing environmentalist and animal rights movements are quickly becoming as fanatical and dogmatic as the Catholics were centuries ago. To question their assertions brings on venomous, hateful responses. None of them are open-minded enough to see past their own self-righteous rage. Are you one of those? I hope not, but so far you've been quite the environmental comformist on wildlife assertions. But then, the Catholics were never known as free-thinkers, were they?
I am a free thinker. I don't believe a lot of what the Catholics believe in. I don't believe in a lot of what the environmentalist believe in. What bothers me is when people automatically fault an animal for doing what comes naturally, and we don't fault the person for making a mistake and not taking the precautions to make sure they are safe. I'm sorry if I came off as a B****, but I get so frustrated when people assume that know what's going on.
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#80 Jun 26, 2008
nenebaby wrote:
<quoted text>I am a free thinker. I don't believe a lot of what the Catholics believe in. I don't believe in a lot of what the environmentalist believe in. What bothers me is when people automatically fault an animal for doing what comes naturally, and we don't fault the person for making a mistake and not taking the precautions to make sure they are safe. I'm sorry if I came off as a B****, but I get so frustrated when people assume that know what's going on.
Okay, fair enough, I agree. I, too, get frustrated when people accept myths at face value without researching it. I will always be opened-minded about any other facts and opinions presented about the issue of wildlife. But since I live in the thick of it, I have seen substantial changes in wildlife behavior. I use to see deer all the time in the Sandias, now I see none. I go up there 3 or 4 times a week. Now I can't even keep a pet in my yard. I don't fault the animals at all, they ARE doing what they natural do; reproduce, hunt, and kill.

The evidence points to predation overpopulation, and many out there agree. But if there is another explantion based on sound reason and logic, without passionate outcries of "it's their land, deal with it!" and other such nonsense, then I will certainly listen. One of the worst myths out ther about wildlife is they have some natural intinct not to overpopulate, a natural instinct to balance themselves. That is a horrible misconception about nature, and many species wiped out each other long before humans arrived on the scene. Another is that humankinds somehow is outside of nature. That's simply impossible.

Anyway, my apologies if I've offended you.
even

Albuquerque, NM

#81 Jun 26, 2008
Gila Mule wrote:
I Think there is a little more to the story than we know. Mountian Lions just don't hang out at homes unless someone is feeding them
You hit the head on the nail. Has anyone actually found out if the residents in that area are feeding the animals to attract them in that area? It makes one wonder where some of these thoughts of how the goverment is responsible for everything and how the animals are infringing on our habitat? Go figure. Oh by the way a lion will only come around once every ten days while making his or her circut. This you wont find out by most government agencies because they pretty much only know information from books and not so much actual field experience.

“Day's are too long”

Since: Jun 08

albuquerque

#82 Jun 26, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, fair enough, I agree. I, too, get frustrated when people accept myths at face value without researching it. I will always be opened-minded about any other facts and opinions presented about the issue of wildlife. But since I live in the thick of it, I have seen substantial changes in wildlife behavior. I use to see deer all the time in the Sandias, now I see none. I go up there 3 or 4 times a week. Now I can't even keep a pet in my yard. I don't fault the animals at all, they ARE doing what they natural do; reproduce, hunt, and kill.
The evidence points to predation overpopulation, and many out there agree. But if there is another explantion based on sound reason and logic, without passionate outcries of "it's their land, deal with it!" and other such nonsense, then I will certainly listen. One of the worst myths out ther about wildlife is they have some natural intinct not to overpopulate, a natural instinct to balance themselves. That is a horrible misconception about nature, and many species wiped out each other long before humans arrived on the scene. Another is that humankinds somehow is outside of nature. That's simply impossible.
Anyway, my apologies if I've offended you.
I accept your apology if you accept mine. I understand everyone's concern about overpopulation, we as animals tend to overpopulate. There are ways of curbing the overpopulation of wildlife. It's called depredation. Big game hunters get this stamp and the money generated from the stamp is used to develop permanent solutions to chronic wildlife nuisance problems. If you want to learn more about it you can get a booklet called New Mexico Big game & trapper rules and information. They also have a website. www.wildlife.state.nm.us
Again I apologize for my conduct.
angel

Steinhatchee, FL

#83 Jun 26, 2008
The man killed was an innocent and somewhat helpless autistic man. Are you saying any ten year old with a fort a ways from his house is fair game? Becuase basically that is what happened someone innocent and childlike was killed and it could have been any neighborhood child.
Rizzo wrote:
Let's see, shaving and bathing, in the woods, no defensive weapons, hungry wildlife, sounds like dinner to me! People who enjoy the outside should be aware, just like walking down central ave, at night, alone. Blame the native population! Someone else has to look out for me cause I know I can't be at fault.
mmm mmm good! Poor Kitty!!

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