Pinos Altos man killed by mountain lion

Pinos Altos man killed by mountain lion

There are 100 comments on the KOB.com Eyewitness News 4 - New Mexico story from Jun 24, 2008, titled Pinos Altos man killed by mountain lion. In it, KOB.com Eyewitness News 4 - New Mexico reports that:

Medical investigators say a mountain lion was responsible for the death of a man who had been reported missing.

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Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#22 Jun 24, 2008
Mother Earth wrote:
Me and my friend came upon a mountain lion when we were climbing down mountain up in cloudcroft area where the tunnel lives. That was scary. Mountain lion looked at us stupid. LMAO. Was to busy sunning on the rocks. We moved away slowly and climbed back up. Whew that was scary but awesome. Now, the way I see there getting hungry with all the mountain fires and people moving in taking away there feeding grounds. I say we have enough people destroying our forrest. Let the people live there now that are there but I say no more building or cutting down the forrest so these animals have enough feeding grounds to survive on. shruggs
Um, there are more forests than ever before. The Forest Dept estimates about 40 million new acres of forests have grown in North America after about a 100 years of fire supression.

This is not Brazil.
Yankee Yahoo

Mahwah, NJ

#23 Jun 24, 2008
Jim-Bo wrote:
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You're a dumb nut liberal.
Socialists, Jim-Bo, socialists. They are not worthy of being labelled a liberal. Call them out for what they really are, and maybe they might shrivel up and turn to ash in the sun.
Walker

San Jose, CA

#24 Jun 24, 2008
Concerned Parent wrote:
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Oh, so all the many thousands of families that have been living in mountains and around the forest that haven't had a problem before should just move?
It's already been established that the mountain lion populations are higher than ever before. And this guy that was killed was near his home, not out hiking. Hiking out in the wilderness is a completely different issue. Near someone's community is not the wilderness.
Sandia Park been's around for 100 years, Canuel for 200 years, Placitas and many other Spanish communities for up to 400 years, all living near and around forests and mountains. They just built a new community center in San Antonio with playgrounds right NEXT to the wilderness, I guess they need to stop construction and move?
This isn't about us going into their wilderness, this is about them coming out of the wilderness and into human lands. That's why people have seen lions around Tramway more often, they are running out of food. BIG difference.
Sandia Park, Canuel, Placitas, on the edge of Albuquerque, have always had mountain lions (and Bears) and people have moved in to those area knowing this.

"It's already been established that the mountain lion populations are higher than ever before."

I’m afraid you’re wrong on this one too; in 1900 there were a lot more Mountain lions then what we have today.
Stop trying to create fear. You have a better chance of dieing in your bath room, then by a mountain lion or bear attack.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#25 Jun 24, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Absolutely incorrect, and a typical, narrow-minded point of view. We are one of the LEAST populated countries compared to it's size, and produce enough food to feed a billion people worldwide. New Mexico is one of the LEAST populated states in the nation.
A billion people live in India, and yet they still have so much wildlife that people are killed by the thousands by lions, elephants, and even wild bulls. 280 million people live scattered across hundreds of islands known as Indonesia, and they still find new species on those islands, and unexplored places.
Yes, these incidents are rare, but they seem to be increasing as the mountain lion population grows and less food is available to them. I HOPE this is not the case, and maybe the boy and this man will be the only ones for years to come. But we should investigate the situation, talk to our government people, and be prepared.
Not at all narrow-minded, Yanqui. What is your solution to this problem?
Yankee Yahoo

United States

#26 Jun 24, 2008
Walker wrote:
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Sandia Park, Canuel, Placitas, on the edge of Albuquerque, have always had mountain lions (and Bears) and people have moved in to those area knowing this.
"It's already been established that the mountain lion populations are higher than ever before."
I’m afraid you’re wrong on this one too; in 1900 there were a lot more Mountain lions then what we have today.
Stop trying to create fear. You have a better chance of dieing in your bath room, then by a mountain lion or bear attack.
Here is one of many sources I did not make this stuff up. Populations are on the rise. Maybe there were more in 1900, but I doubt we have records that go back that far.

http://www.aws.vcn.com/mountain_lion_fact_she...

Here is a quote from the link "One major reason for the significant rise of attacks in recent years is the lack of predator control. Since many people now live in urban or metropolitan areas, they are unfamiliar with predation, its impacts, and the many benefits of predator control. In fact, few even know what those benefits are. Further, there has been a constant barrage of misinformation calling for the return of the "natural" or "living in harmony with nature.""

This is an expert opinion. Do you have somethign to counter this?
Yankee Yahoo

United States

#27 Jun 24, 2008
Here's another link, the experience of a hunter in California.

http://reliableanswers.com/seasonal/mountain_...
Confused

Kirksville, MO

#28 Jun 24, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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This is an expert opinion. Do you have somethign to counter this?
This guy's no expert! He's a self-proclaimed "Research Director" of some fringe lobbying group. Where are his credentials, if he's such an expert? He does quote the occasional source, but provides no bibliography. How is one supposed to fact-check his assertions if we can't go back and review the works he cites?

hint: Google is your friend

Really, if you're going to post unsubstantiated, unreviewed internet garbage as your "proof", you might just as well stick to posting opinions.
Yankee Yahoo

United States

#29 Jun 24, 2008
Confused wrote:
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This guy's no expert! He's a self-proclaimed "Research Director" of some fringe lobbying group. Where are his credentials, if he's such an expert? He does quote the occasional source, but provides no bibliography. How is one supposed to fact-check his assertions if we can't go back and review the works he cites?
hint: Google is your friend
Really, if you're going to post unsubstantiated, unreviewed internet garbage as your "proof", you might just as well stick to posting opinions.
I didn't provide any proof, only a link to information you can accept or reject. I already mentioned several times that speaking with Fish and Wildlife people also agree with this assessment. My own experience and those of my neighbors here agree as well, from our experiences, one of which has been here in the Sandias since the 40's, and has never seen either mountain lions or bears until the last 5 years.

Here's another link that lists children killed, even a teenager at his OWN SCHOOL. Are you saying none of this happened and it's all made up?

http://skillport.ups.com/pmt/Schedule/Today.a...

Many many stories of older folks that never encountered lions at all in the wilderness, and now losing their grandchildren. There's plenty of other sources if you're willing to open your eyes. I'm open to any other compelling evidence that would explain the growing number of attacks around North America.
NM Lover

Grand Rapids, MI

#31 Jun 24, 2008
Nature at work.The thinning of the herd is not always pretty, but it is necessary.Question; How do you shoot something and "accidently" wound it.
Guns are for sissies. If you can't kill something with your bare hands,you've got no business killing it. LOL

“hardcore engine revver”

Since: Dec 07

Las Cruces, NM

#32 Jun 24, 2008
These incidents are extrememly rare and do seem to be increasing. At least the reporting of the incidents sure are.

People you must remembe rthat when walking on the trails in the mountains you are walking in some animals hunting territory. You can only be so prepared for an attack. I really suggest that you carry a knife, for it is about the only weapon that you will be able to use in the even of an attack. These animals have a great way of attacking an immobilizing their target. They jump on your back, one front paw hits your head and tries to pull it back to expose your neck. Then they bite at your neck to kill you.

Since they're on your back, a gun is pretty much useless. A knife could help simply by stabbing towards your back, next to your head, near where this animals head and neck should be.
Walker

San Jose, CA

#33 Jun 24, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Here is one of many sources I did not make this stuff up. Populations are on the rise. Maybe there were more in 1900, but I doubt we have records that go back that far.
http://www.aws.vcn.com/mountain_lion_fact_she...
Here is a quote from the link "One major reason for the significant rise of attacks in recent years is the lack of predator control. Since many people now live in urban or metropolitan areas, they are unfamiliar with predation, its impacts, and the many benefits of predator control. In fact, few even know what those benefits are. Further, there has been a constant barrage of misinformation calling for the return of the "natural" or "living in harmony with nature.""
This is an expert opinion. Do you have somethign to counter this?
T. R. Mader is a research director at Abundant Wildlife Society of North America. Which is a pro-hunters group, so don’t think he will skew his research to help his cause?

“hardcore engine revver”

Since: Dec 07

Las Cruces, NM

#34 Jun 24, 2008
Anecdotal news accounts seem to support an increase in wild animal attacks. Here is a basic google search that will help some of you.

http://www.google.com/search...
Yankee Yahoo

United States

#35 Jun 24, 2008
Walker wrote:
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T. R. Mader is a research director at Abundant Wildlife Society of North America. Which is a pro-hunters group, so don’t think he will skew his research to help his cause?
Sure he might, I'm not asking anyone to accept his claims at face value. Do your own research and keep an open mind. None the less, he has a long list of attacks. Where these made up? An 18 year-old being dragged off from high school? We have a lot of schools right next to the forests in this state and many others, perhaps the schools need to know about this, IF it's true.

Besides, maybe hunters, constantly being attacked by animal protectionists with their own agenda, set out to defend himself. Nothing wrong with that.
Walker

San Jose, CA

#36 Jun 24, 2008
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Here's another link, the experience of a hunter in California.
http://reliableanswers.com/seasonal/mountain_...
Once again this person has a strong agenda to scare people into thinking theses cats are a threat to us and I get the feeling a lot of what he say is crap.
Yankee Yahoo

United States

#37 Jun 24, 2008
evil todd wrote:
These incidents are extrememly rare and do seem to be increasing. At least the reporting of the incidents sure are.
People you must remembe rthat when walking on the trails in the mountains you are walking in some animals hunting territory. You can only be so prepared for an attack. I really suggest that you carry a knife, for it is about the only weapon that you will be able to use in the even of an attack. These animals have a great way of attacking an immobilizing their target. They jump on your back, one front paw hits your head and tries to pull it back to expose your neck. Then they bite at your neck to kill you.
Since they're on your back, a gun is pretty much useless. A knife could help simply by stabbing towards your back, next to your head, near where this animals head and neck should be.
According to some of the links I already provided, even a knife may not help.

“Day's are too long”

Since: Jun 08

albuquerque

#38 Jun 24, 2008
Concerned Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so all the many thousands of families that have been living in mountains and around the forest that haven't had a problem before should just move?
It's already been established that the mountain lion populations are higher than ever before. And this guy that was killed was near his home, not out hiking. Hiking out in the wilderness is a completely different issue. Near someone's community is not the wilderness.
Sandia Park been's around for 100 years, Canuel for 200 years, Placitas and many other Spanish communities for up to 400 years, all living near and around forests and mountains. They just built a new community center in San Antonio with playgrounds right NEXT to the wilderness, I guess they need to stop construction and move?
This isn't about us going into their wilderness, this is about them coming out of the wilderness and into human lands. That's why people have seen lions around Tramway more often, they are running out of food. BIG difference.
Since when did this become our land? We took it from the wildlife. To this day we are still encroaching on wildlife. People who live near wild animals understand that something like this can happen. It is part of the animals nature especially when food is scarce.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#39 Jun 24, 2008
nenebaby wrote:
<quoted text>Since when did this become our land? We took it from the wildlife. To this day we are still encroaching on wildlife. People who live near wild animals understand that something like this can happen. It is part of the animals nature especially when food is scarce.
Animals do not own land, do not work the land, do not produce food from the land. "Ownership" is a human word.

Humans are not separate from nature, we are apart of nature, we are another species of wildlife, so how does this statement make any sense?

Humans have been around in its present form for around 50,000 years, and in other forms for a few more hundreds of thousands of years. You would think, after all this time, we would be included in this mysterious cult of Mother Earth.

Let's keep the religious fanaticism of Gaia out of this for once and think logically and coherently.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#40 Jun 24, 2008
Walker wrote:
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Once again this person has a strong agenda to scare people into thinking theses cats are a threat to us and I get the feeling a lot of what he say is crap.
If you'd bother to read everything I've said, I HOPE it is crap! My kids go to a school, one of MANY schools near the wilderness, with playgrounds and everything. So I really hope the links I provided are BS.

Do you have any constructive criticism?
dove

Levelland, TX

#41 Jun 24, 2008
evil todd wrote:
These incidents are extrememly rare and do seem to be increasing. At least the reporting of the incidents sure are.
People you must remembe rthat when walking on the trails in the mountains you are walking in some animals hunting territory. You can only be so prepared for an attack. I really suggest that you carry a knife, for it is about the only weapon that you will be able to use in the even of an attack. These animals have a great way of attacking an immobilizing their target. They jump on your back, one front paw hits your head and tries to pull it back to expose your neck. Then they bite at your neck to kill you.
Since they're on your back, a gun is pretty much useless. A knife could help simply by stabbing towards your back, next to your head, near where this animals head and neck should be.
I don't know if I would be able to think straight enough to react like that, E.T., because I'd probably just pass out from fright. Oh well, in the event I am ever experiencing such an event, maybe the adrenaline will kick in and I can kick that kitty's b u t t! LOL! Actually, I never thought about what to do in that situation and we have a place in the mountains west of here and have seen bears. I just run into the house!!!! LOL!
dove

Levelland, TX

#42 Jun 24, 2008
NM Lover wrote:
Nature at work.The thinning of the herd is not always pretty, but it is necessary.Question; How do you shoot something and "accidently" wound it.
Guns are for sissies. If you can't kill something with your bare hands,you've got no business killing it. LOL
You mean I can't wear gloves? Rats!

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