Steve May: Public input sought on mul...

Steve May: Public input sought on mule deer situation

There are 26 comments on the Silver City Sun-News story from Aug 21, 2009, titled Steve May: Public input sought on mule deer situation. In it, Silver City Sun-News reports that:

I want to inform your readers of pending meetings being planned in Silver City, Grant County and many other New Mexico mountain communities by the state Game & Fish Department.

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An Observer

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Aug 27, 2009
Dave Turner wrote:
Councilor May:
As I understand it, it was not the man who was killed who was feeding the mountain lions. It was one of his neighbors. Maybe someone who "took pity" on the poor lions, thus habituating them to seeing humans as a food source.
I am puzzled by your request for public input on this matter, since you have made it clear you will dismiss any opinions on the matter that differ from your own, even to the point of rejecting out of hand advice of the State Game and Fish Department.
Did you ever think Mr. May offered only his opinion and encouraged others to do the same? Regardless of Mr. May's opinion, he is only one voice and one vote on the council.

I don't fault him for questioning Game & Fish advice. That agency is notorious for screwing up wildlife management on state lands. Those folks always want to take the easiest path and avoid having to actually come up with something creative and outside the bureaucratic realm of thinking.

Mr. May is right about one thing. The systematic slaughter of more than 200 doe is absolutely unacceptable.
Larry McDaniel

El Segundo, CA

#23 Aug 27, 2009
It would seem that councilman May is using personal bias and anecdotal evidence in his decision making process. The advice of experts with far more knowledge than he seem to count for little.
Unfortunately it seems like councilman May is part of the problem as opposed to the solution.
An Observer

Albuquerque, NM

#24 Aug 27, 2009
Larry McDaniel wrote:
It would seem that councilman May is using personal bias and anecdotal evidence in his decision making process. The advice of experts with far more knowledge than he seem to count for little.
Unfortunately it seems like councilman May is part of the problem as opposed to the solution.
It's like I said above, Mr. May's opinion is his own, just like your opinion is your own. So, what's your solution? How about sharing your thoughts?
Diane Detrick

United States

#25 Aug 27, 2009
All of you are missing Mr. Mays point; he is simply asking that the people of Silver City and surrounding Grant County give their opinion. He is asking that all options "ideas" be considered but that hey come from the thousands of people the land belongs to, that have chose to live on said lands, NOT the HANDFUL of people in charge of policing them. The Game and Fish may mean well, however they will be willing to use "ideas" that have worked in other areas instead of finding one to fit the problem of Silver City. This breed of deer can be found in many different areas in different states all with different climates, laws, and uses. Game and Fish will use what worked in Califonia and not even look at the differences between the states or land in question. Is that what we want, a quick fix that worked some where else? Or do we want to find a fix, that we choose, that works for Silver City? He is asking that the people who know the most about the area the ones that are living here come up with a solution to the problem. Not feeding the animals that have already become use to the hand out will not drive them away. It will cause them to start doing further damage to the surrounding vegetation in order to avoid leaving there "home" even us simple humans with our animal instinct hold out as long as possible putting ourselves at danger to stay in our homes. Thousands of hurricane victims are proof of that. These animals will eat what they have to in order to stay, when that fails they will die a horrible death of starvation, some will move on but with damage already done to their bodies and possibly cause problems with future generations of deer. The ones who are close to town now should be tagged, if new ones show up they should be trapped and hauled off. Let the ones who are here, stay here! They will die off in their own time, you could even castrate the bucks? Tag the new babies that are born and castrate the young bucks as well. Eventually these "humanized" deer will die off. No way to reproduce and no new ones allowed to stay. Hey, it's only one opinion, it’s only one "idea" maybe this community should get together as Steve has asked and discuss the problem and come up with our own solution to OUR problem, and not let some state funded people bring these sharp shooters into our town around our pets and children shooting any sort of fire arm. So far, I have only read about killing, and displacing innocent bystanders, what other ideas and options am I missing? Silver City is waiting to hear from you, about this problem and all other problems that we as a community can get together and find solutions to. Do I have any takers? Any other ideas? Any other possible solutions to our problem? Any other “ideas”?
Diane Detrick

United States

#26 Aug 31, 2009
Robert T wrote:
If Game & Fish plan to have these meetings, why isn't Game & Fish making the announcement rather than one of our council people??? I think the City Council needs to deal with City level problems and let the State do their job. Silver City has a serious crime problem that I think the City has failed to control. As for feeding the deer, Texas feed stores actually sell Deer Corn as it is marked. Deer love the grain in oat pastures there. Deer feeders are big business. The problem is urban sprawl and growth just like any other growing area. Not anything new and certainly not news. If residents don't like it, put up a fence or move away.
I assume the reason Mr. May felt he should inform his community is that he felt strongly enough about the deer and the community and wanted to hear from more people on the subject before any one decided what woud be done. If he had not stepped forward would any of you have concerned yourself with this suject?
Diane Detrick

United States

#27 Aug 31, 2009
Educate Yourself wrote:
To spare myself the time of trying to explain all of the reasons that I COMPLETELY disagree with the feeding of wildlife, I will make it short. In response the Mr. May's comment that he DID NOT BELIEVE that feeding these deer a diet of foods that are foreign to them could possibly cause any issues at all?? He has obviously never spent any time around horses, cows, or any other hooved animal. COLIC (look it up in the dictionary) is the number one killer of horses, cows, and yes, potentially deer!! It is caused specifically by what you are doing!! And so while you may not see that animal drop dead right there in your yard...out of sight out of mind I suppose. Maybe you would rather see them dead on the side of the road they were attempting to cross in order to get to that big feeder in your front yard!
Have you ever been to a Zoo that have mule deer? Have you ever been to a Deer Ranch? Have you ever gotten on line and looked up mule deer feed? They sale it at feed stores and online, mostly they sale stuff for growing horns bigger down in Texas for "caged hunts" but what's in them is about the same as the grain feed JD's sales. Professional deer people won't feed these animals this stuff if they thought it woudl colic their prize animals. I'm just saying I very seriouly doubt any of these animals have died from what they have been fed in a back yard or front yard feeder. I have spoke with Mr. May, he did leave a number where he could be contacted at the end of his article. He told me he was raised with horses, and his uncle Hays May had him around his prize Angus herd for years. So before assuming a person is uneducated about something maybe you should pick up the phone and ask him what he knows or doesn't. Maybe the person who should be questioned here is the owner of JD's Feed. I'm sure he knows Mr. May doesn't have horses or cows, we know which district he represents so he doesn't even live where he could have them, so why is JD Feed selling feed that could injure our wild life to people like Steve May? When I spoke with Mr. May he also said that most of the deer in his area "grew up" on what is in those back yard feeders, so it isn't foreign to them at all. I was concerned for our community enough to make the call, are you? P.S. I am a fellow New Mexican, I am not from Califonia.

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