Steve May: Public input sought on mule deer situation

Full story: Silver City Sun-News

I want to inform your readers of pending meetings being planned in Silver City, Grant County and many other New Mexico mountain communities by the state Game & Fish Department.
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Aug 22, 2009
 

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The primary reason that feeding is discouraged is that it provides a false food supply. In other words, the population grows due to the provided food and becomes unsustainable naturally. The deer HAVE to come into residential areas to get the feed because there are so many deer, there isn't enough forage to sustain them all.
This, of course, puts them in direct contact with people, their gardens, their dogs, and their cars.
If people were no longer allowed to feed the deer, there would be a die-off until a naturally sustainable population was left.
wonder why

Albuquerque, NM

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Aug 23, 2009
 
The problem is a people problem. People feed them and draw them in!which is nice but it depends who your neghibor
is. The lady with a large rose garden will not like it.
The little walnut area is full of deer, because theirs so many people feeding them daily.Iv'e worked that area and
seen so many people feeding them.Its out of control people that have created this problem.Want the deer to go away,
stop feeding them.
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Albuquerque, NM

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Aug 23, 2009
 
Steve... Thanks for the heads up on this, and well said.
silverkid

Silver City, NM

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Aug 23, 2009
 
It was nice that Steve May and Mr. Nupp could show up - what about the rest of the council? Too few people really care, there is no excuse for the elected officials to be no shows......
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Aug 23, 2009
 
In Michigan State Parks within city boundrys are opened to "sharp shooters" because there are no longer natural predators. Any protesters who dont want that to happened are saying that they would rather have the deer starve to death. Stop feeding the deer, then either cull the herd or let the population crash from starvation.
Not surprised

Albuquerque, NM

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Aug 23, 2009
 
Aha! State Game and Fish run amok!
They keep justifying the sale of hunting licenses with the claim that they are game managers, that only they hold the answers to environmentally conscientious programs geared to maintaining sustainable herd sizes, and etc., etc.,etc.
They really have no more handle on the problem than economists have on the new Depression.
Send those big white Bwanas back to Texas, fire fish and game officials, and leave the game to fend for themselves.(Feeders and managers alike)
older than dirt

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The deer problem is making the rounds throughout the country. One side hunts them, another side feeds them, and the State Game officials use them for pawns in an ongoing effort to justify their lack of management skills. A suggestion for Steve May: quit your frustrating position on the council and go back to burning steaks.(venison)
By the way, javelinas are making a similar comeback in the SW. Homeowners should keep feeding them, especially all those Silver City retirees who have nothing better to do than support J.D's feed store.( He quite frankly laughs all the way to the bank-and back for more.)
ContinentalGal

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Aug 24, 2009
 
To all you who don't live here, Silver is on the edge of 11.5 million acres of national forest/wilderness. It starts in the 'suburbs'. The wilderness area didn't use to have all the homes in it. I've been around lots of deer and even close to mountain lion, javelinas, pecciaries,etc. and the thing is, they were here FIRST. There's got to be some respect. But the fact we live on the edge of millions of acres of wild habitat means we have to do something different than all these other places around the country.
Country Boy

Silver City, NM

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ContinentalGal wrote:
To all you who don't live here, Silver is on the edge of 11.5 million acres of national forest/wilderness. It starts in the 'suburbs'. The wilderness area didn't use to have all the homes in it. I've been around lots of deer and even close to mountain lion, javelinas, pecciaries,etc. and the thing is, they were here FIRST. There's got to be some respect. But the fact we live on the edge of millions of acres of wild habitat means we have to do something different than all these other places around the country.
I think the real question is this: Do we seriously have an over population of deer around here, or are a handful of unhappy people complaining about the deer eating their gardens and shrubs, or causing damage to their vehicles because they were driving too fast in designated deer crossings and collide with a deer running across the road?
Lifeling GC resident

Deming, NM

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Aug 24, 2009
 
Do you people ever look outside? There are deer EVERYWHERE! I once took a drive around Indian Hills and counted FIFTY deer within half an hour. That's an insane population for such a small area. I challenge anyone to go to the heart of the Gila Wilderness and find 50 deer so closely packed together. It's not the homes being built out that way, its the people inviting the deer in. I've lived here all my life. I used to go months without seeing deer on Little Walnut Rd. despite my friends living all along there. Now I can't go minutes without seeing deer. Stop feeding the deer. It's for their own good.
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Albuquerque, NM

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Aug 24, 2009
 
Lifeling GC resident wrote:
Do you people ever look outside? There are deer EVERYWHERE! I once took a drive around Indian Hills and counted FIFTY deer within half an hour. That's an insane population for such a small area. I challenge anyone to go to the heart of the Gila Wilderness and find 50 deer so closely packed together. It's not the homes being built out that way, its the people inviting the deer in. I've lived here all my life. I used to go months without seeing deer on Little Walnut Rd. despite my friends living all along there. Now I can't go minutes without seeing deer. Stop feeding the deer. It's for their own good.
I read in the Sun-News this morning that Game and Fish is holding a public meeting this Wednesday night at 7 pm at the National Guard Armory. If you have an opinion on the deer issue, one way or another, go to the meeting and express it!
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Aug 24, 2009
 
If Game & Fish plan to have these meetings, why isn't Game & Fish making the announcement rather than one of our council people??? I think the City Council needs to deal with City level problems and let the State do their job. Silver City has a serious crime problem that I think the City has failed to control. As for feeding the deer, Texas feed stores actually sell Deer Corn as it is marked. Deer love the grain in oat pastures there. Deer feeders are big business. The problem is urban sprawl and growth just like any other growing area. Not anything new and certainly not news. If residents don't like it, put up a fence or move away.
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Aug 25, 2009
 
Robert T wrote:
If Game & Fish plan to have these meetings, why isn't Game & Fish making the announcement rather than one of our council people??? I think the City Council needs to deal with City level problems and let the State do their job. Silver City has a serious crime problem that I think the City has failed to control. As for feeding the deer, Texas feed stores actually sell Deer Corn as it is marked. Deer love the grain in oat pastures there. Deer feeders are big business. The problem is urban sprawl and growth just like any other growing area. Not anything new and certainly not news. If residents don't like it, put up a fence or move away.
True, Texas feed stores sell deer feed. Texas (among other places) has "hunters" who use these deer feeders to lure deer onto property so they can make and sell "hunting" videos. They get the deer accustomed to a daily meal and shoot them as they make their daily trek to the feed stand. Wild animals shouldn't be fed by humans. I would trust the word of most biologists on this issue over any feed store owner, or random "deer lover" who does more harm than good.
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Aug 25, 2009
 
Also, Silver City does have a crime problem. It always has and other communities of similar size in the area have an even worse problem with crime. It is more a problem of the sub groups of people who live here than it is anything law enforcement is or is not doing. There is a high incidence of drug users, alcoholics, and poverty stricken people in these areas. Most police officers do their job and also volunteer in the community. Most other capable people complain and keep their noses out of the community projects. What can you and I do to change that?
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Aug 25, 2009
 
To spare myself the time of trying to explain all of the reasons that I COMPLETELY disagree with the feeding of wildlife, I will make it short. In response the Mr. May's comment that he DID NOT BELIEVE that feeding these deer a diet of foods that are foreign to them could possibly cause any issues at all?? He has obviously never spent any time around horses, cows, or any other hooved animal. COLIC (look it up in the dictionary) is the number one killer of horses, cows, and yes, potentially deer!! It is caused specifically by what you are doing!! And so while you may not see that animal drop dead right there in your yard...out of sight out of mind I suppose. Maybe you would rather see them dead on the side of the road they were attempting to cross in order to get to that big feeder in your front yard!
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Aug 25, 2009
 
When I lived in Silver City, one thing I loved the most was seeing so many deer, javalina and even the occassional coyote. Sure, predators following the deer are always a big concern, but the greater danger is the likelihood of a deer-vs.-motorist collision. such accidents are more likely to occur in neighborhoods where people are feeding the deer.
Even without putting out food for deer, we still saw plenty of them.
Norma

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Aug 25, 2009
 
Have you ever heard of innerbreading? That is what can happen to the deer heards if they are not controlled in size. The weaker deer will continue to bread a weaker deer. It is for their sake that a need to control the size of the heards is needed. You will get a much healthyer deer that way. The deer are nice to see but not when they are in such an abundance. If the deer had not been feed then the heards would not be as big and you would not have a problem. If you don't want people to move into the deer habitate then do not allow homes to be built there. Please don't feed the deer it is not good for their heards and the yards of the people that have been, including you, allowed to move there.
Not Surprised

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Aug 26, 2009
 
Deer feeding and deer baiting, as practiced in Texas, only invite the inevitable collision and its disastrous effects to both the deer and property owners, and drivers as well.
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Let me 1st say that I am a supporter of hunting, fishing, the right to own guns, and I am no tree hugger by any means. With that said I would also like to say that I agree with Mr. May, the people who have been inconvienced by these wild animals should have considered the possibility of the inconvience before buying property in "deer country" These animals in case every one hasn't noticed where here first. I personally feel that this is just another way for Game and Fish to make more money. Why you ask? Ok, so you are out hunting, paid for your license to hunt, have a legal fire arm, you are hunting in the area specified on your license and you see what you think is a four point, you aim, you shoot, you just killed a doe standing in a bush. You would think ok honest mistake, and move on, oh no!!! Big fine, loose your gun, your truck or horse is impounded, and you loose your right to hunt, so why give them the "right" to go out and do it now?...... Oh, that's right because they are goign to charge for the special licence,the special training for hunting intown and anything else they think they can scrape you pockets for.Why else would they agree to let these deer be hunted over a few cry babies who have lost a couple of plants and are pissed that deer ate them when they planted them in......let me get this right..... IN deer country, or maybe they hit a deer in the road, that's right idiot you hit the deer he didn't come running out of a bush and bash your car while it was parked somewhere, you hit it..... where did you hit a deer while driving your car?.....Oh yeah that's right......IN deer country. Maybe having them around closer to town is what really has them worried. I mean heck small pets or a child could be attacked or maybe even killed. So I will ask one more question, you want to kill up to 200 deer which takes them off the mountain lions menu? This will then make them more desperate for food, which puts who at the top of the menu?......That's right you are catching on Fido and little Timmy Taylor. So really folks, come on these deer eat a few plants, damage a few cars, or eat grain and die from full stomachs, or even if one is in your back yard and a big cat grabs it and ate it for lunch considering the alternative is it really that bad? I mean we don't go out shooting drunk drivers who kill more people damage more vehicles, and cost the state more money than some four legged animal ever has or ever will so why are we going to go out and shoot the deer? Especially right now, give out more licenses this year during deer season, allow some does to be killed then! I mean killing deer is killing deer. is it really going to matter to you if you kill a doe during deer season who leaves a baby behind? Seriously, it's one less that will reproduce. These deer should be hunted in the same manner as other, during hunting season out away from town in the original designated hunting areas. Ask yourself if one of these so called sharp shooters, misses and let me reassure all of you, all of them do at some point in their life. If he/she misses and kills your child or pet or injures them in anyways because they are hunting in town, will it matter to you how many "hits" or "kills" they had before they missed and hurt, maimed or killed something you love? I think the Game and Fish need to look at other options, let the people who care for and feed the deer keep doing what they are doing. The people who are loosing thier beautiful plants and vegetation should invest in hot wire or deer repellent. Game and Fish should have bigger less expiencive and complicated hunts to control the population, during deer season.
Dave Turner

Silver City, NM

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Aug 27, 2009
 
Councilor May:

As I understand it, it was not the man who was killed who was feeding the mountain lions. It was one of his neighbors. Maybe someone who "took pity" on the poor lions, thus habituating them to seeing humans as a food source.

I am puzzled by your request for public input on this matter, since you have made it clear you will dismiss any opinions on the matter that differ from your own, even to the point of rejecting out of hand advice of the State Game and Fish Department.

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