the confederate flag & the nazi swastika

the confederate flag & the nazi swastika

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#1 Aug 11, 2008
...The Confederate (Rebel) Flag and the Nazi Swastika Flag are symbols of hatred, racism, and violence. One is no better than the other!...

...To say that the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with slavery or racism is like saying the Nazi Swastika has nothing to do with killing Jews. They are not symbols of culture and heritage---They are icons of evil...

...Yet, I see images of the Confederate Flag almost daily. Can't say I've seen very many Nazi Swastika Flags waving in our air lately...

...To say that the Confederate Flag means different things to different people is like saying, the noose means different things to different people!...Just my opinion...

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#2 Aug 11, 2008
I disagree somewhat as usual :).. I don't even see the relationship between a Nazi flag and a Confederate flag....To some the Confederate flag no longer represents slavery.... It quite possibly never did.. It did and does represent States Rights, and Sourthern pride...
A lot of folks don't see it that way, but a lot to...just my opinion.....
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Bushido

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#5 Aug 11, 2008
"Four score and seven years ago our forefathers brought forth upon this continent....." a constitution and nation that sanctioned slavery! Slavery and legalized discrimination existed for many decades before the Confederate flag was conceived of, and continued for decades thereafter, all under the good ole "Stars & Stripes".
Don't try to sell me that hypocritical, progressive, Yankee bat guana.
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#7 Aug 12, 2008
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...The Confederate (Rebel) Flag and the Nazi Swastika Flag are symbols of hatred, racism, and violence. One is no better than the other!...
...To say that the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with slavery or racism is like saying the Nazi Swastika has nothing to do with killing Jews. They are not symbols of culture and heritage---They are icons of evil...
...Yet, I see images of the Confederate Flag almost daily. Can't say I've seen very many Nazi Swastika Flags waving in our air lately...
...To say that the Confederate Flag means different things to different people is like saying, the noose means different things to different people!...Just my opinion...
I never thought that you would be narrow minded, but you've just proven that you are. I'm somewhat disappointed.
Now,,,please tell me WHY the Confederate flag is considered a symbol of hatred. and please keep in mind that slavery prospered under the stars & stripes much longer than it did the stars & bars. Many thousands of Union officers owned slaves AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation was issued.
I look forward to your reply...
hub

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#8 Aug 12, 2008
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...The Confederate (Rebel) Flag and the Nazi Swastika Flag are symbols of hatred, racism, and violence. One is no better than the other!...
...To say that the Confederate Flag has nothing to do with slavery or racism is like saying the Nazi Swastika has nothing to do with killing Jews. They are not symbols of culture and heritage---They are icons of evil...
...Yet, I see images of the Confederate Flag almost daily. Can't say I've seen very many Nazi Swastika Flags waving in our air lately...
...To say that the Confederate Flag means different things to different people is like saying, the noose means different things to different people!...Just my opinion...
I sure as hell didn't expect to hear this kind of horseshit from you.

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#9 Aug 12, 2008
...The Confederate Flag was actually never part of the Civil War---It was the Flag of the KKK in the 1920's when the Klan was resurrected...

...To blacks, it is the same as the Nazi Swastika is to the Jews. Blacks see slavery as their own personal Holocaust...

...To Southern whites, the Confederate Flag is a symbol of their perceived proud heritage and characteristic Southern defiance---To many non-whites, it is a reminder that whites think they are dominant over minorities...

...The Confederate Flag never flew over the Soldiers who fought in the Civil War...The "state's rights" that were being fought for was the right to be an agricultural system, based upon slavery...Why fly a flag that has little real historical significance to the Armed Forces of the Confederacy?...

...Oh, by the way, is it alright if I fly a North Vietnam Flag in my front yard?...

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#10 Aug 12, 2008
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...The Confederate Flag was actually never part of the Civil War---It was the Flag of the KKK in the 1920's when the Klan was resurrected...
...To blacks, it is the same as the Nazi Swastika is to the Jews. Blacks see slavery as their own personal Holocaust...
...To Southern whites, the Confederate Flag is a symbol of their perceived proud heritage and characteristic Southern defiance---To many non-whites, it is a reminder that whites think they are dominant over minorities...
...The Confederate Flag never flew over the Soldiers who fought in the Civil War...The "state's rights" that were being fought for was the right to be an agricultural system, based upon slavery...Why fly a flag that has little real historical significance to the Armed Forces of the Confederacy?...
...Oh, by the way, is it alright if I fly a North Vietnam Flag in my front yard?...
The actual flag you see in pickup trucks or wherever was the Confederate "Battle" flag... yes it did fly over Confederate troops in battle..

And hell no it ain't alright to fly a North Vietnamese flag in your yard.

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#11 Aug 12, 2008
P.S. You can fly a South Vietnamese flag in your yard...:)
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Bushido

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#14 Aug 12, 2008
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>The actual flag you see in pickup trucks or wherever was the Confederate "Battle" flag... yes it did fly over Confederate troops in battle..
And hell no it ain't alright to fly a North Vietnamese flag in your yard.
You are correct Shootist, about the flag. The official flag was wide red and white stripes with a blue backgrounded stars in the upper corner. I think.

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#15 Aug 12, 2008
The Bonnie Blue Flag
First National Flag
Second National Flag
Third National Flag

...What many people believe to be the offical Confederate Flag was actually the Confederate Naval Jack...
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#17 Aug 12, 2008
I disagree with some of the comments made. The analogy is pushing the envelope. Did you know that a majority of Southerners didn't even own slaves? It was around 25-33%. Heck, the Constitution gave slave owners rights according to the Fugitive Slave Law. Also, if it wasn't part of the Civil War, explain why I can cite sources that say otherwise... like this:

http://www.civilwar.org/bentonvilleflags/

According to Civil War historian and native Southerner Shelby Foote, the flag traditionally represented the South's resistance to Northern political dominance; it became racially charged during the Civil Rights Movement, when fighting against desegregation suddenly became the focal point of that resistance.

Do not confuse fact with opinion. That's your lesson for today, now everybody move before I run you over with my truck.

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#18 Aug 12, 2008
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...The Confederate Flag was actually never part of the Civil War---It was the Flag of the KKK in the 1920's when the Klan was resurrected...
...To blacks, it is the same as the Nazi Swastika is to the Jews. Blacks see slavery as their own personal Holocaust...
...To Southern whites, the Confederate Flag is a symbol of their perceived proud heritage and characteristic Southern defiance---To many non-whites, it is a reminder that whites think they are dominant over minorities...
...The Confederate Flag never flew over the Soldiers who fought in the Civil War...The "state's rights" that were being fought for was the right to be an agricultural system, based upon slavery...Why fly a flag that has little real historical significance to the Armed Forces of the Confederacy?...
...Oh, by the way, is it alright if I fly a North Vietnam Flag in my front yard?...
GG, where are you getting your info? That is total BS. There were several different Confederate flags, and yes...Cnfederate soldiers did in fact fight under battle flags, lol.
You still haven't given me good legitimate reasons for why the Confederate FLAGS are considered symbols of hatred. Ignorance doesn't count.
And btw, the South could have preserved slavery at ANY TIME during the war by simply laying down it's arms & returning to the Union.
You haven't been doing your homework...

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#19 Aug 12, 2008
...O.K., a flag is a flag is a flag. I'll wave my Nazi Flag out front, along side my North Vietnam Flag, beside my West Virginia Flag, in front of my Confederate Flag...Nah, I only need one flag---My AMERICAN FLAG!...
duh

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#20 Aug 12, 2008
thats fine, thats your right, this is AMERICA, you can say/do/wave what ever the hell you want, quit your bitching

just the fact that you are for limiting the rights of others makes you ignorant

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#21 Aug 12, 2008
...Limiting the rights of others? The Nazi Flag & North Vietnam Flag are equal to the Confederate Flag, according to many people....People who tell me that I cannot display the Nazi Flag or North Vietnam Flag---Are they bitching & limiting the rights of others?...I am not here to bitch---I only wanted to start an open exchange!...

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#22 Aug 12, 2008
I've got an extraordinary idea.... You don't hear about this one to much, but since I think we have all gained an education over the last thirty to fifty years concerning people's rights..Especially in the area of race, minorities, gays or whatever....(and rightfully so)...We bend over backwards not to offend anyone, which I agree is good... Let's, just this one time, NOT offend the overwhelming majority (in my opinion) and just fly one flag in our yard...The flag of the United States of America...

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#23 Aug 12, 2008
Shootist wrote:
and just fly one flag in our yard...The flag of the United States of America...
...I had the SAME idea in post #19...Guess great minds DO think alike...LOL...
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#25 Aug 12, 2008
You all are too PC fo your own good.
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duh

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#27 Aug 12, 2008
you know whats funny about this....i started a thread like months ago talking about how everyone was to P.C. for their own good and got bent over like britney spears when she turned 18
duh

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#28 Aug 12, 2008
THE GAY GUY wrote:
...Limiting the rights of others? The Nazi Flag & North Vietnam Flag are equal to the Confederate Flag, according to many people....People who tell me that I cannot display the Nazi Flag or North Vietnam Flag---Are they bitching & limiting the rights of others?...I am not here to bitch---I only wanted to start an open exchange!...
well acording to many people i am a god and should be worshiped......but then again how much weight does that statement hold?

and yes, anyone that tells you that you can or cant do something is limiting rights.....i just wonder when our people are going to wake up and realize that our rights are being limited to the point of extinction......not civil rights tho, seems like we get more and more civil rights, and less rights to own things, i mean before WW1 the concept of a banned substance was unknown, needed to shoot some rock....you went to the store and bought a stick of dynamite....

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