Does this methadone stuff really help...

Does this methadone stuff really helpor is it just another drug

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PikeVegas

Williamson, WV

#1 Jan 26, 2009
It doesnt make sense to me to give somebody a heavy drug to keep them from a heavy drug....
I think its a $ racket and its killing people
I dont know how many times it is going to take for people to overdose on the stuff mixing it with other drugs before this town wakes up and does something to help these people
I think they just give them all methadone to kill them off and thin out the problem
my2cents

Prestonsburg, KY

#2 Jan 26, 2009
i think it could work if the person was serious about wanting to quit ...and its an abused system for sure...the drug addict has to want to stop using even then its so hard to stop i truly feel sorry for them and their families because not all drug users are bad people ..

Since: Jan 09

Richmond, KY

#3 Jan 26, 2009
Well, just to tell the truth about it, Yes methadone is just another drug, they say that it helps you get off of opiates such as lortab, lorcet, oxycontin, but in all reality it just makes you worse.. But I think that if someone is trying to get sober and straighten up they should find a program that works for them, and stick with it..

Since: Jan 09

Pikeville

#4 Jan 26, 2009
Methadone doesn't work. My cousin was addicted ti heroine and went to a methadone clinic every day for 2 years. She was killed in a car wreck going over 100 miles per hour and methadone was the only drug in her system. It's just replacing one drug for another.

Since: Jan 09

Richmond, KY

#5 Jan 26, 2009
I totally agree with you! And sorry to hear that!
neverbored wrote:
Methadone doesn't work. My cousin was addicted ti heroine and went to a methadone clinic every day for 2 years. She was killed in a car wreck going over 100 miles per hour and methadone was the only drug in her system. It's just replacing one drug for another.

Since: Jan 09

Pikeville

#6 Jan 26, 2009
Methadone? I thought the new hip thing was Subutex?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subutex

Since: Jan 09

Pikeville

#7 Jan 26, 2009
Also, just another drug. The good thing is that most good clinics get you off it before they release you, unlike methadone that they keep you on forever.
Wandering

Hurricane, WV

#8 Jan 26, 2009
I think Methadone Clinics are just legal drug dealers. If you read up on Methadone it is actually more addictive and alot more dangerous than the other opiates. I have a cousin or two that have been going to Methadone Clinics for over 4 yrs that I know of. They are still in just as bad a shape as when they started. It is just a cheaper high from what I can understand, plus it has a longer effect and keeps the withdraws away longer. He once told me that it just give him a legal drug that he could get by on and work. Its cheaper and you get a legal script.
CJT24

Danville, KY

#9 Jan 28, 2009
neverbored wrote:
Also, just another drug. The good thing is that most good clinics get you off it before they release you, unlike methadone that they keep you on forever.
I think that's the biggest problem with the clinics. You're not encouraged to lower your dose. They give you a dose you're comfortable with (read: able to function "normally" on) and they don't lower it. They may try, but all a person has to say is that its not working for them anymore, they're getting cravings, they feel sick, etc, and back up it goes. Essentially, you are trading one drug for another.

From the people I know that go there, they don't make an effort to help you fix the part of your life that caused you to turn to drugs in the first place. I think it helps some people because those people genuinely want to get off all drugs, and the order, the routine of the clinic eventually gives them the feeling that they are somewhat in control of their life. After (usually) years of being addicted to drugs, where your every thought is how you're going to get your next high, having some control over your life has got to feel pretty damn good.
Wandering

Hurricane, WV

#10 Jan 28, 2009
Even though they have control in that aspect, they still have a habit. And if you do know some that attend they can also tell you of the costs. From what I hear it is not as expensive as the everyday habit, but its not cheap either. Also I bet they do not have insurance but if they did it wouldn't pay for it. I still say all they are is legalized dope dealers. And I still don't see who in the hell would even let this hinder their life? It puzzles the hell out of me. I had a co-worker once who attended the clinic in Williamson and he would tell me about the way they do it. It seems like it would hinder my life too much. He had been attending for some time and got what he calles take homes. But he still had to go over there somethin like 3 or 4 days a week. He would be at work early on those mornings as he got up at the crack of dawn and ran over to get his meds as he called them. So how are they in control? They still are at the mercy of the clinic as the regular dopers are at the mercy of the dealers!
Lennon

Richmond, KY

#11 Feb 5, 2009
CJT24 wrote:
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I think that's the biggest problem with the clinics. You're not encouraged to lower your dose. They give you a dose you're comfortable with (read: able to function "normally" on) and they don't lower it. They may try, but all a person has to say is that its not working for them anymore, they're getting cravings, they feel sick, etc, and back up it goes. Essentially, you are trading one drug for another.
You people are really commenting on something you know nothing at all about. You cant just judge something by what the stereotype seems to be from all the dumb f%&ks running around here. Ive been going to the clinic for over 3 years now and it has given me my life back. Everything is back to as good as it was if not better than before I ever tried opiates and I was in really bad shape right before I hit rock bottom and joined the clinic for help.

You talk about lowering the dose as if that is the only solution to a problem, I have no will whatsoever to lower my dose. I for one happen to love the way opiates make me feel, and I was never depressed or anything at any point in my life. If a thing makes you feel good then I think it is your right to be able to do it if you arent harming anyone else in the process.

The drug itself is not the cause of all the problems you guys are talking about, it is the things a person is willing to do to afford such an ungodly expensive habit. Before I went to the clinic I had a $1,500/day oxycontin habit and my life savings was quickly depleting. Sure methadone can get people high at first but once you are used to your stable dose (even a high one) it just takes away your cravings and your desire to do your drug of choice whatever it may be. That is when the drug is doing what it is meant for in a clinical setting.

I am very happily married and we have two beautiful children. A person would never know I was on methadone if I didn't tell them so why should it be anyone's concern?

Just my two cents
Lennon

Richmond, KY

#12 Feb 5, 2009
Wandering wrote:
Even though they have control in that aspect, they still have a habit. And if you do know some that attend they can also tell you of the costs. From what I hear it is not as expensive as the everyday habit, but its not cheap either. Also I bet they do not have insurance but if they did it wouldn't pay for it. I still say all they are is legalized dope dealers. And I still don't see who in the hell would even let this hinder their life? It puzzles the hell out of me. I had a co-worker once who attended the clinic in Williamson and he would tell me about the way they do it. It seems like it would hinder my life too much. He had been attending for some time and got what he calles take homes. But he still had to go over there somethin like 3 or 4 days a week. He would be at work early on those mornings as he got up at the crack of dawn and ran over to get his meds as he called them. So how are they in control? They still are at the mercy of the clinic as the regular dopers are at the mercy of the dealers!
I fail to see how one person's habit is another's concern if they have it under control, we all have habits. Going to the clinic isn't THAT expensive, I can easily afford it without hurting my budget at all and I barely make $12/hr. Since I have NEVER failed a random drug test and my counselors can truely tell that I am doing well, I get 30 takehomes a month. I only have to go in once per month to meet with my counselor and pick up my meds, not really much of a hinderance I dont think.
And the ignorant comments about "just trading one drug for another" and "they're just legal drugdealers" only make it harder for those who really want to fix their lives to get help. The guidelines the clinics have to follow are insane and some of you are only making it worse.
Lennon

Richmond, KY

#13 Feb 5, 2009
PikeVegas wrote:
It doesnt make sense to me to give somebody a heavy drug to keep them from a heavy drug....
I think its a $ racket and its killing people
I dont know how many times it is going to take for people to overdose on the stuff mixing it with other drugs before this town wakes up and does something to help these people
I think they just give them all methadone to kill them off and thin out the problem
One last thing I would like to clear up. It's pretty rare that anyone dies from methadone by itself. Nine times out of ten it is because a person mixed methadone with Xanax - which will get you banned from the clinic the first time they find evidence of Xanax in your system. You also cant join the clinic if you currently test positive for traces of Xanax.

For people just starting, you have to go to the clinic every morning to dose in front of a nurse which lets them monitor how you are tolerating the drug and make sure you aren't under the influence of anything that you shouldn't be. Your dose starts out low and they gradually raise it until you are in the therapeutic dosing range, which is when the methadone really begins working. It is untrue that they TRY to keep you addicted, my counselor asks me every couple months if I feel I am ready to switch to the abstinence program which slowly weens you down until you are clean.

Opiates themselves dont really affect an addict's frame of mind like Xanax or even alcohol will. So the drug itself isn't dangerous, only when an addict has to fight for his next dose on the street is he usually dangerous. Clinics really take a lot of the damage and crime out of the addiction.

So if you think they should shut down the clinics, you may want to reconsider and imagine 3 thousand detoxing addicts (from a single clinic alone) ripped from their normal adjusted lives and forced to start living each day trying to find their next fix "the old way".
Wandering

Hurricane, WV

#14 Feb 5, 2009
I guess the morning rat race towards the clinic every morning around here doesn't effect everybody on the road trying to get to work and not to mention the kids trying to go to school? I had a job flagging traffic once, I guess the guy who runned over my friends lunch bucket and damn near killed him didn't effect no one else's life did it?? After he stopped I liked to never kept my fellow co-worker from kicking his a$$! He told us we had to hurry and let him thru because the clinic was getting ready to close! His clinic was more important to him than my co-workers life! He was so very in control! I think you are just trying to justify your problem. Go ahead and cop-out and stay in your clinic. Have you paid any attention to the recent studies on tv about how methadone is stayin in your system and building up and killing people by its self? No your problem doesn't effect any one but precious little you. You make under 12 per hr and have kids? Man that is a tight budget that isn't being effected isn't it? Just think of the things your kids are doing without, so you can have your drug! Even if you are like most and your parents or in-laws are funding you, just think how good it would be to buy them things they wanted with the money you waste for your fix. Hate to break it to you but your habit effects everyone traveling down the highway when you are. It effects every co-worker you are around. Don't sit back and tell me it don't. You said it yourself, you like the way it makes you feel, which tells me you are getting a buzz. Whether it be a strong or weak one. Anything that effects your mood, temper, vision, or just anything effects everyone your in contact with at some point. You are just in denial. You are just like the rest of the clinic abusers you are just too high to see it. And I thought it was a detoxing clinic not a damn maintenance program. I thought the whole point was to get you off your drug of choice then dose you down until you are free of all drugs. So now you tell me it is just a maintenace program for you! Who is the idiot here. I spend my money on my family. I don't give it to no clinic. Been watchin the economy lately? Seems to me times get hard enough and there is going to be a bunch of you clinicals fixing thier habits the old way as you say it anyways. I think they should all be shut down. Me personally I would if possible legalize all drugs, let you all kill yourself if you liked and the younger generations could see first hand and then that would maybe just maybe teach people what drugs really do. Her in Pikeville their is one high profile case of one of your fellow clinic attendee's in a vehicular manslaughter case. Guess that didn't effect no one else either? So go blow smoke up someone else's a$$!
Wandering

Hurricane, WV

#15 Feb 5, 2009
Oh and by the way to all of the people that are truly trying to clean up, I take my hat off to you. I know it is hard but I have seen several come thru, they may have had a few setbacks but they still made it thru in the end. It is people like Lennon who make it hard on you. They abuse the system which in turn takes away from the users who truly want help.
Lennon

Richmond, KY

#16 Feb 5, 2009
Wandering wrote:
Oh and by the way to all of the people that are truly trying to clean up, I take my hat off to you. I know it is hard but I have seen several come thru, they may have had a few setbacks but they still made it thru in the end. It is people like Lennon who make it hard on you. They abuse the system which in turn takes away from the users who truly want help.
How about you explain how exactly I am abusing the system? I am one of the most referenced success stories they use at the clinic. Just because I don't want to quit the drug? Thats a pretty narrowminded view, just what one would expect from a person who has never been in the situation themselves. You have no clue what you are talking about, just referencing the worst parts and leaving out the rest because you probably didn't take the time to even look at the good that comes from it.

I am in no way impaired, ever. I have been on the same dose for 3 years now and it is proven that your tolerance adjusts when on therapeutic STABLE levels. For your information I have NEVER been in a vehicle accident.

As far as your money comment goes, my family has more love than a person full of hatred like you could even imagine. But if money is the only thing you concern yourself with then no, I guess you wouldn't approve. However, I started the clinic because my first child was on the way and it did exactly what I hoped it would, gave me my life back. I couldn't ask for more.

P.S.- The clinic offers two programs, methadone maintenance and methadone abstinence. You get your life stable with maintenance and move to abstinence when you feel ready.
Carol

Hurricane, WV

#17 Feb 5, 2009
Been going over 3 years and has no will whatsoever to lower his dose? I thought the purpose of doing this was to get off of whatever you were abusing, and then gradually get off of methadone also, freeing yourself of ALL drugs.
Correct me if I'm wrong.....
Dylan

United States

#18 Feb 5, 2009
I have a friend who had a $1000+/day habit. Well, he didnt actually pay for his dope. He stole it from his mother who had cancer. One day he woke up and saw what was going on and decided it was time to get it together. He went to the clinic and started off on a pretty hefty dose. Unlike most, his dose didnt go up, he took less every week. I couldnt tell you how long exactly he went to the clinic, I can say it was less than a year. Aside from smoking a little herb here and there, he's been clean for around 7 yrs now.

On the other hand, I have more than a few friends who really take advantage of the situation and have been for years. They have no desire to get clean. They laugh at the fact that what they are doing is all legal. The way I see it, they found a loophole in an extremely screwed up legal system, which is a whole other topic.

It all comes to how much a person really wants to help themselves.

rant off
Dylan

United States

#19 Feb 5, 2009
Wandering wrote:
I guess the morning rat race towards the clinic every morning around here doesn't effect everybody on the road trying to get to work and not to mention the kids trying to go to school?
I agree, a few years ago, an underage girl had been using someone's ID to go to the clinic. She had an accident,dont know if it was before or after she left, but she didnt make it. She was 16 or 17. I'm sure someone else remembers that.
neverbored

Hazard, KY

#20 Feb 6, 2009
I posted on here before about my two cousins that died in an accident. The driver had been going to a methadone clinic for two years and that was the only drug in her system. It's a drug!! In two years she should have been off the methadone. The clinics get their money and they're happy. They don't care what it does to the people on the drug. I don't care what anyone else says, it IS substituting one drug for another. She craved the methadone just the same as she craved the heroine. If they are trying to help people they would have a time frame to get the people off the methadone, not just keep it going indefinitely. The people that stay on the drug for years are happy with the fact that they are getting a cheap drug that is legal. If you truly want help, go to a detox facility and then go to a rehab facility, then attend NA meetings. Most people going to methadone clincs don't want to get clean. Their just supporting their habit in another venue.

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