Documentary on The Lillelid Murders
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#21 Apr 7, 2013
sick sick and twisted wrote:
Well I know for a fact they had orgies I seen pictures of it
Lets be truthful here. Who was in these pictures and what exactly were they doing? Was it at the Colley?
info

Elizabeth, WV

#22 Apr 7, 2013
I can't wait to see it ! Is this the same Ashley York that went to Johns Creek/Pike Central ? If so I am sure she will do a great job
double up

United States

#23 Apr 7, 2013
There was a lot more blood letting than just the girls cutting themselves. I worked at wal mart at the time this happened and they were in the store the morning after the hotel before the murders. All of them white as a ghost, obviously having lost a lot of blood, all of them crazy eyed, that long haired boy, you could still see blood residue around his mouth.
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#24 Apr 7, 2013
info wrote:
I can't wait to see it ! Is this the same Ashley York that went to Johns Creek/Pike Central ? If so I am sure she will do a great job
That's her!:-)
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#25 Apr 7, 2013
double up wrote:
There was a lot more blood letting than just the girls cutting themselves. I worked at wal mart at the time this happened and they were in the store the morning after the hotel before the murders. All of them white as a ghost, obviously having lost a lot of blood, all of them crazy eyed, that long haired boy, you could still see blood residue around his mouth.
Ever looked at yourself in the mirror the morning after a night of heavy drinking and little sleep? I have. What do you see? Pretty much all the things you described. Crazy, red eyes. Pale skin.

I guess that could have been blood. But how do you know for sure that was blood residue? The long-haired guy was Risner. He was dating Karen Howell, who tended to wear a lot of lipstick. Maybe they had a little make out session before coming by. Maybe Joe ate a taco or cheeseburger and forgot to wipe his mouth?
double up

United States

#26 Apr 8, 2013
Roman wrote:
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Ever looked at yourself in the mirror the morning after a night of heavy drinking and little sleep? I have. What do you see? Pretty much all the things you described. Crazy, red eyes. Pale skin.
I guess that could have been blood. But how do you know for sure that was blood residue? The long-haired guy was Risner. He was dating Karen Howell, who tended to wear a lot of lipstick. Maybe they had a little make out session before coming by. Maybe Joe ate a taco or cheeseburger and forgot to wipe his mouth?
They weren't pale, they were ghost white, they looked like walking corpses, there is a difference between looking pale and looking like you don't have an ounce of blood in your body.
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#27 Apr 8, 2013
double up wrote:
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They weren't pale, they were ghost white, they looked like walking corpses, there is a difference between looking pale and looking like you don't have an ounce of blood in your body.
It's all relative (and speculative). You're entitled to your opinion obviously :-)
double up

United States

#28 Apr 8, 2013
Roman wrote:
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It's all relative (and speculative). You're entitled to your opinion obviously :-)
I saw them, up close the morning in question, did you?
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#29 Apr 8, 2013
double up wrote:
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I saw them, up close the morning in question, did you?
No.

Conversely, are you a medical expert who can tell us all exactly what the difference in appearance would be between somebody who has lost a lot of blood (but still have enough to be functional)and someone who is merely suffering from a bad hangover and lack of sleep? Or the difference between dried blood around someone's mouth as opposed to ketchup,taco sauce or lipstick? Would legal experts in a court of law use your point of view on this as the expert testimony of a professional?

No. That's all I'm saying.
double up

United States

#30 Apr 8, 2013
Roman wrote:
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No.
Conversely, are you a medical expert who can tell us all exactly what the difference in appearance would be between somebody who has lost a lot of blood (but still have enough to be functional)and someone who is merely suffering from a bad hangover and lack of sleep? Or the difference between dried blood around someone's mouth as opposed to ketchup,taco sauce or lipstick? Would legal experts in a court of law use your point of view on this as the expert testimony of a professional?
No. That's all I'm saying.
Absolutely I know the difference in what I saw that morning and someone with a mere hangover. I have saw hung over people countless times I. My life, what I saw that morning was the only time I have ever seen a person that white that was not in a casket.
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#31 Apr 8, 2013
double up wrote:
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Absolutely I know the difference in what I saw that morning and someone with a mere hangover. I have saw hung over people countless times I. My life, what I saw that morning was the only time I have ever seen a person that white that was not in a casket.
So you presume that this was due to blood drinking?

That's a pretty big leap, in my opinion. But, like I said, you're entitled to think that.

Just for the record, they all pretty much came clean on what happened at the Colley. I've spoken to a few of them. Natasha and Karen did some cutting. Nothing major, though. It wouldn't have hurt their case to say otherwise. Heck, Natasha's attorney was going for an insanity plea at the time, so it probably would have HELPED them to claim there was more than cutting, but blood DRAINING going on.

No such testimony or evidence to support it exists.
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#32 Apr 8, 2013
double up wrote:
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Absolutely I know the difference in what I saw that morning and someone with a mere hangover. I have saw hung over people countless times I. My life, what I saw that morning was the only time I have ever seen a person that white that was not in a casket.
And from a legal standpoint this would not hold up or prove anything in any sane court of law. It is pure speculation.

And even if they were ghostly due to blood draining, what has that to do with anything? Does that make them guilty of something?
double up

United States

#33 Apr 8, 2013
Roman wrote:
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And from a legal standpoint this would not hold up or prove anything in any sane court of law. It is pure speculation.
And even if they were ghostly due to blood draining, what has that to do with anything? Does that make them guilty of something?
From a legal standpoint this is irrelevant, to my knowledge bloodletting or any of the other sick things they did in that hotel are not illegal.

I am merely providing first hand information.

Now, from a legal standpoint, what is relevant is that they were tried for murder and they were found guilty and they will never see the outside world again.

People lost their lives that morning, and a little boys life was ruined.

These are the facts, the blood letting and all of that other nonsense are pretty much inconsequential since no one was harmed outside of the willing participants in those things.

I am just providing my first hand ip close and personal observations that they did indeed do those sick things. I believe they did with every fiber of my being based on what I saw.

I do find it kind of sad honestly though that you essentially say sure these kids are cold blooded evil killers, but they wouldn't do the lesser atrocities that were pretty obvious to any first hand observer.

It's not just me, everyone that was working that morning was talking about their appearance after they left and what might have happened. Then when the news broke of the killings, most had a deep sick feeling of remorse knowing what we had saw.
Hilarious

Winchester, KY

#34 Apr 8, 2013
Gutter trash that deserved to be strapped in to an electric chair and millions of volts passed through their bodies. This is one of those instances where the World would be a better place with all of them buried six feet under.
sick sick and twisted

Chesterfield, MO

#35 Apr 8, 2013
Roman wrote:
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You saw pictures of the six of them all having sex together? And that an orgy took place that night at the Colley? If that's what you're saying then I must say I doubt it. Just out of curiosity, how did these pictures happen to come into your possession?
And what would any of that have to do with murder? Are you equating sex or orgies as having something to do with the commission of a murder?
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I defend Crystal, Karen and Dean. I can happily say that I'm far from being "sick".
Not at the colley motel they were at a house and I bought property and they were in it
Natasha

Dallas, TX

#36 Apr 8, 2013
You were not there,you do not know,I was there,I remember every detail.AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !!
Eric

London, KY

#37 Apr 8, 2013
What the heck is this about ?
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#38 Apr 8, 2013
double up wrote:
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From a legal standpoint this is irrelevant, to my knowledge bloodletting or any of the other sick things they did in that hotel are not illegal.
I am merely providing first hand information.
Fair enough.
double up wrote:
<quoted text> Now, from a legal standpoint, what is relevant is that they were tried for murder and they were found guilty
Incorrect. They were never tried. It was a plea bargain (and a dubious one at that). One that had no legal precedent.
double up wrote:
<quoted text> People lost their lives that morning, and a little boys life was ruined.
True. Very sad.
double up wrote:
<quoted text> I am just providing my first hand ip close and personal observations that they did indeed do those sick things. I believe they did with every fiber of my being based on what I saw.
Fair enough. But I'm sure we can agree that beliefs and facts are two different things.
double up wrote:
<quoted text>I do find it kind of sad honestly though that you essentially say sure these kids are cold blooded evil killers,
I NEVER said that. And I don't believe that either. I believe that Jason Bryant is a murderer, not the others.
double up wrote:
<quoted text> It's not just me, everyone that was working that morning was talking about their appearance after they left and what might have happened. Then when the news broke of the killings, most had a deep sick feeling of remorse knowing what we had saw.
But what did you see that made you sick and remorseful? All it was was a bunch of teens who got drunk, participated in some cutting and weirdness and stayed up all night. Nobody had been murdered at that point, so why feel sick and remorseful about seeing something fairly common in the 90s (at least where I'm from it was)?
Roman

Chatsworth, CA

#39 Apr 8, 2013
sick sick and twisted wrote:
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Not at the colley motel they were at a house and I bought property and they were in it
So all six were participating in an orgy in these pictures? Is that what you're saying?
sick sick and twisted

Chesterfield, MO

#40 Apr 8, 2013
Roman wrote:
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So all six were participating in an orgy in these pictures? Is that what you're saying?
The pics I found just had natosha and karen but I know people that hung out with them and paticipated in the orgies but threesomes dont make them bad ehat they done does but someone was on here saying they didn't and I call bullsh*t because I seen and heard about it

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