Detroit files for bankruptcy 7/18/13
Communist China

Conway, SC

#63 Jul 21, 2013
Big Cat wrote:
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His other screen name is "WTF". And yes, he is very well known as the village idiot.
Your other Name is Small Puss and you are the Village Queer.
Communist China

Conway, SC

#64 Jul 21, 2013
Big Cat wrote:
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Obamacare was a bad idea from the beginning. I would agree that health insurance needed an overhaul, but this was NOT the answer. I could write an entire page as to why.
The city of Pikeville has done very well considering what it has to work with. Yes, infrastructure has been a huge problem for attracting industry, but that could've been greatly improved had we been able to retain and use the majority of coal tax severance which was rightfully ours. The addition of the EXPO, the medical school, UPIKE, and the expanding hospital has greatly helped. But the area desperately needs some sort of manufacturing jobs. Kellogg's has proven that it can be done.
44 Million were uninsured dumbass.

Why do we pay for Israel to have Universal Free Health Care????
Historian

Princeton, KY

#65 Jul 21, 2013
Big Cat wrote:
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The city of Pikeville has done very well considering what it has to work with. Yes, infrastructure has been a huge problem for attracting industry, but that could've been greatly improved had we been able to retain and use the majority of coal tax severance which was rightfully ours. The addition of the EXPO, the medical school, UPIKE, and the expanding hospital has greatly helped. But the area desperately needs some sort of manufacturing jobs. Kellogg's has proven that it can be done.
True, all considered Pikeville has done fairly well. But it is the exception rather than the rule. Most counties in eastern Kentucky are going the route of the rust belt cities. Take for instance Owsley County. Its population peaked in 1940 and has been going down hill ever since. It's population was about 8,900 in 1940. Now it is 4,700.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_County,_K...

Knott County is going the same route. So are a lot of others. The best option would be to disestablish the declining counties and incorporate them into the surrounding counties. There would be fierce local opposition to that, but it might eventually be made to work.

The same option has been suggested for cities like Detroit, Dayton, and Chicago, but the resistance would be even fiercer. In their case, however, it would be the surrounding suburbs, which are independent cities in themselves, which did not want the inner city and its liabilities added to them and their tax burden.
Communist China

Conway, SC

#66 Jul 21, 2013
Historian wrote:
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True, all considered Pikeville has done fairly well. But it is the exception rather than the rule. Most counties in eastern Kentucky are going the route of the rust belt cities. Take for instance Owsley County. Its population peaked in 1940 and has been going down hill ever since. It's population was about 8,900 in 1940. Now it is 4,700.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_County,_K...
Knott County is going the same route. So are a lot of others. The best option would be to disestablish the declining counties and incorporate them into the surrounding counties. There would be fierce local opposition to that, but it might eventually be made to work.
The same option has been suggested for cities like Detroit, Dayton, and Chicago, but the resistance would be even fiercer. In their case, however, it would be the surrounding suburbs, which are independent cities in themselves, which did not want the inner city and its liabilities added to them and their tax burden.
Pikeville is going down hill fast.

Just watch the desperation to maintain the Illusion is reaching new heights.
Crib Block

Pikeville, KY

#67 Jul 21, 2013
Historian wrote:
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The only "uneducated idiot" I see here appears to be you (Communist China is merely a brainless heckler, the bad kid that likes to throw spitballs in class when the teacher's back is turned).
Suggest you read this:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/20/us-...
My problem is not with the fact that Detroit public workers got too much from the city. When the contracts were made the city was profitable because people were working and paying taxes. Now that corporate greed has taken our jobs out of the country because they don't want to pay workers, taxes, or deal with regulations its costing America. No one should have to work for less than a living wage while the corporate bosses are taking all profit that workers create. I ask you this could it be that these cities are now failing because of this fact: Corporations are making record profit. CEO and executive pay has went up over 700% over the last 30 plus years while workers have earned a whopping 19% rise in their pay. My point is that its not unions or workers or even public officials giving away unsustainable contracts its corporations who refuse to pay taxes to this great country or pay workers a living wage. That's why we have lost all our jobs greed. In china they loose thousands every year in their coal mines while we only loose around 50. Regulations are what makes our workers safe. Corporations want you to believe it keeps them from operating. They can go to these other countries pay sweat shop labor, unsafe conditions, and less taxes. More profit in their pockets.
Big Cat

Richmond, KY

#68 Jul 21, 2013
Communist China wrote:
<quoted text>44 Million were uninsured dumbass.
Why do we pay for Israel to have Universal Free Health Care????
It's already been proven that Ovomitcare is not going to alleviate the uninsured problem, while at the same time, slashing employment.

Why did they leave American's to die in Benghazi? Stay on subject, fool.
Big Cat

Richmond, KY

#69 Jul 21, 2013
Historian wrote:
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True, all considered Pikeville has done fairly well. But it is the exception rather than the rule. Most counties in eastern Kentucky are going the route of the rust belt cities. Take for instance Owsley County. Its population peaked in 1940 and has been going down hill ever since. It's population was about 8,900 in 1940. Now it is 4,700.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_County,_K...
Knott County is going the same route. So are a lot of others. The best option would be to disestablish the declining counties and incorporate them into the surrounding counties. There would be fierce local opposition to that, but it might eventually be made to work.
The same option has been suggested for cities like Detroit, Dayton, and Chicago, but the resistance would be even fiercer. In their case, however, it would be the surrounding suburbs, which are independent cities in themselves, which did not want the inner city and its liabilities added to them and their tax burden.
I have heard that very scenario has been tossed around....combining Pikeville, Prestonsburg, and Paintsville. I seriously doubt that will ever happen. Yes, EKY has been experiencing a decline in population since about the 80's.
Historian

Princeton, KY

#70 Jul 21, 2013
Big Cat wrote:
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I have heard that very scenario has been tossed around....combining Pikeville, Prestonsburg, and Paintsville. I seriously doubt that will ever happen. Yes, EKY has been experiencing a decline in population since about the 80's.
You are off about 40 years. A quick look through the census data for eastern Kentucky counties in Wikipedia shows that in most of them the population peaked in 1940. Examples are: Owsley, Lee, Breathitt, Clay, Estill. Rockcastle County is an aberration. It's population peaked in 1940 and declined until 1980, when it started growing again. What's different about Rockcastle County would be worth looking at.
Big Cat

Richmond, KY

#71 Jul 21, 2013
Historian wrote:
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You are off about 40 years. A quick look through the census data for eastern Kentucky counties in Wikipedia shows that in most of them the population peaked in 1940. Examples are: Owsley, Lee, Breathitt, Clay, Estill. Rockcastle County is an aberration. It's population peaked in 1940 and declined until 1980, when it started growing again. What's different about Rockcastle County would be worth looking at.
I'm no census expert, but I believe that the population of Pike Co. peaked in the 80's around 80,000. The last report I read, it was estimated around 65,000.

I'm not familiar with the population trends of the other counties you mentioned.
Historian

Princeton, KY

#74 Jul 21, 2013
With all it had going for it, however, Trigg County's population peaked in 1910. There were 3 main reasons:

1. The local leadership apparently had no interest in getting a railroad, although the tracks passed through Hopkinsville just 20 miles away to the east in the early 1870s. Thereafter the railroad took the trade that the local freight wagoners and the steamboats had carried.

2. The iron furnaces, which were fueled with wood charcoal, were unable to compete with large, coal fueled steel mills that were built in Pittsburg, Birmingham, and other places.

3. The county became completely agricultural in the 1870s and remained that way until World War II. The 1880-1940 era was its golden age of the small family farm. Then, after World War II, farming became progressively more mechanized, and farms grew in size. After WWII young people left in droves, heading for the factories in the North and, a little later, South.

In 1970, several new factories came to the county and to Hopkinsville, which by then was in easy driving range on good highways. Lake Barkley and Fort Campbell also brought in people. The place boomed until 2008, when its largest factory closed.
Roy

Louisville, KY

#75 Jul 21, 2013
I lived and worked in Detroit in the 60s and early 70s. Even then, with the auto industry booming, Detroit was slowly crumbling. All four families in our apartment building were broken in and robbed while we slept in 1968. Most folks bought German Shepherds and continued to live there while waiting a few years until retirement. I still have family living just outside Detroit. I recently mentioned how I would love to come visit and ride through some of the neighborhoods we lived in. They said, "No, you wouldn't!"
The Weather Channel.com is currently featuring photos of an abandoned Detroit. Looks like the dentist simply closed his business and never came back. Same goes for so many of the offices, stores and hotels. A shot of Woodward Avenue was shown in a picture or two. That was where I walked to work and shopped. Sad and unbelievable!
Historian

Princeton, KY

#77 Jul 22, 2013
Communist China wrote:
<quoted text>Only Fox agrees with you stupid.
I agree with Big Cat. Obamacare is doomed to failure. The president's original plan was pretty good - as good as American political realities allowed anyway - but two things doomed it. First, the "Public Option" that would have set up a nationwide government run plan was taken out at the behest of the insurance companies. Second, the Supreme Court ruled that the states do not have to expand Medicaid. About 20 states have opted not to do so. In others it is problematic, including Kentucky, where the state supreme court will have to decide if the governor can order the expansion without the legislature's approval first.

The best and smartest thing that the president could do now, and what he should do, is admit that the plan as passed will not work and ask the Democrats in congess to vote to repeal it. Then propose a new all-government insurance plan - something like Medicaid that covers everybody automatically - that cuts the private insurance companies out of the primary coverage market. If I was looking for a model, I'd recommend France's sytem, which is rated by the World Health Organization as the best in the world.
Viva La France

Corbin, KY

#78 Jul 22, 2013
Historian wrote:
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I agree with Big Cat. Obamacare is doomed to failure. The president's original plan was pretty good - as good as American political realities allowed anyway - but two things doomed it. First, the "Public Option" that would have set up a nationwide government run plan was taken out at the behest of the insurance companies. Second, the Supreme Court ruled that the states do not have to expand Medicaid. About 20 states have opted not to do so. In others it is problematic, including Kentucky, where the state supreme court will have to decide if the governor can order the expansion without the legislature's approval first.
The best and smartest thing that the president could do now, and what he should do, is admit that the plan as passed will not work and ask the Democrats in congess to vote to repeal it. Then propose a new all-government insurance plan - something like Medicaid that covers everybody automatically - that cuts the private insurance companies out of the primary coverage market. If I was looking for a model, I'd recommend France's sytem, which is rated by the World Health Organization as the best in the world.
France, England and Germany have a great Health Care System, Sweden is the best but you got to understand those governments did not sell out to wall street or the corporations. Also France is the worst example because their tax rate is 75%. I believe Sweden pays for most of theirs with their banking industry!
Historian

Princeton, KY

#79 Jul 22, 2013
Viva La France wrote:
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France, England and Germany have a great Health Care System, Sweden is the best but you got to understand those governments did not sell out to wall street or the corporations. Also France is the worst example because their tax rate is 75%. I believe Sweden pays for most of theirs with their banking industry!
This is not correct. The national income tax and "Social Security" rates in France is not 75 percent. The rates on what we refer to as "adjusted gross income" that is to say after deductions are:

Income tax for family of 4:

under 17,625 Euros .......0%
17,625-36,160 Euros.......5.5%
36,160-78,090 Euros.......14%
78,090-209,349 Euros......30%
over 209,132 Euros........41%

The "Social Security" tax that pays for health care, retirement, etc. is a flat 8% on income regardless of the amount. Unlike our Security tax it does not top out. The wealthy pay.

A Euro is worth $1.32 today. So a French family with income in what we consider the upper middle class pays 38 percent in national taxes. But they get more in benefits than we do.

Sweden's model works in Sweden, but it would not work in the United States. That is because of two things. First, there is not a great disparity in income and wealth among Swedes. Sweden does not have the kind of "poverty pockets" like we do - Detroit and Appalachia for examples. The second problem, which in the U.S. would interact adversely with the first, is that Sweden's system is decentralized. The health care is administered by, and the taxes that pay for it levied by, local governments. In the U.S., with our situation, that would leave areas like Detroit and eastern Kentucky with too little tax base to pay for the mandated level of health care.
Tea Party

Gilbertsville, KY

#81 Jul 23, 2013
The House has voted to repeal Obamacare several times. By the time the next election rolls around the economy is going to be in such bad shape and people will be so mad because they're being fined for not buying insurance that they can't afford the Tea Party will win control of both houses of congress and put Rand Paul or Rick Perry in the White House. That administration's first act will be to repeal Obamacare.
Tea Party

Gilbertsville, KY

#83 Jul 23, 2013
Communist China wrote:
<quoted text>lmfao
Lmfao
Lmfao
Now go watch your Fox nuts.
I never watch Fox News.

This is from U.S. News & World Report:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/ford-ocon...

Rick Perry for President 2016!

He probably won't take Theodore Roosevelt's advice on how to deal with socialists, but he'll do well enough.
Tea Party

Gilbertsville, KY

#85 Jul 23, 2013
Maybe you should read the article. It says in part that Gov. Perry has, "an impressive record as executive of one of the nation's largest states. About 30 percent of all the jobs produced in the nation during his time as governor were produced in his state. The criticisms of his record-breaking 14 years as governor basically amount to: He is not a liberal and refuses to pursue liberal policies. Those criticisms will only help him in a GOP primary season.

He is well within the Republican mainstream on Obamacare, tax and economic policy and most social issues. The legislation he just signed establishing a 20-week limit on abortions in Texas was pitch perfect in terms of what pollsters tell us Americans believe on this issue."

Give the Kenyan another 2 1/2 years to ruin the economy and push his liberal socialist agenda and the country will be so fed up that Gov. Perry will win with a landslide.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#86 Jul 23, 2013
I don't take much what polls say but I have read certain reports, not polls, that the state of Texas is the 10th largest economy in the world and anyone who can run a surplus in an economy that large must have some economical savvy. My opinion of course which I am sure bamahists and leftists don't agree with but it's an known fact socialists are NOT good economists.
Tea Party

Gilbertsville, KY

#88 Jul 23, 2013
Just about every way you look at it, Texas has far outperformed the U.S. as a whole. It literally ran circles around liberal states like California. In Texas taxes are far lower and the state spends far less on "essential services" than other liberal-run states.

For example, Texas ranks 49th (next to last) in per-child spending on public schools. It spends far less than Detroit. Yet Texas gets far more for the money. In Texas 78.9 percent of the students who enter high school graduate. In Detroit 75 percent of them drop out.
skittle bandit

Corbin, KY

#90 Jul 23, 2013
Communist China wrote:
<quoted text>Texas gets more Federal Subsidies than several other States combined Stupid.
Yes, that's what keeps the Mexicans crossing the border in droves and the blacks in Texas jealous over the competition.

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