McCoy Elkhorn has idle all operations
No Bids

Macon, GA

#50 Sep 9, 2013
Coal Miners Wife wrote:
McCoy told the men back in April to sign up on unemployment when they was off for that week. I called the unemployment office and they told me for my husband to go ahead and sign up on it but he may not get no money for it cause it'll take a few weeks or so to go through. So I guess that's what we will be doing this week so the next time he's off for a week maybe we can have some kind of pay coming in.
I suggest some may earn some money right through the week.

Side income you know.

Did the Hampden men get an extra bonus last month as was suggested by some?
Coal Miners Wife

Jackson, KY

#51 Sep 10, 2013
The men did get a bonus last month and suppose to get another one this month. They do not get a bonus all the time just once in a blue moon. They work so hard and deserve a lot more than what they do make.
miner

Costa Mesa, CA

#52 Sep 10, 2013
we are suppose to get a bonus for last month which will make up for the week were off. But are suppose to get off another week either next month or November. And we will not get a bonus next month being off this week. Just suppose to get 5 trains in September and 4 for the month of October. That's about half what usually comes. There is enough coal already laying on the ground to supply those trains. It doesn't look good, Ive already started looking for other jobs, out of the coal industry even if its less pay. Which I would advise anybody to do, its just going to keep getting worse.I give McCoy a few months tops.
Coal Trains

Lebanon, KY

#53 Sep 10, 2013
miner wrote:
we are suppose to get a bonus for last month which will make up for the week were off. But are suppose to get off another week either next month or November. And we will not get a bonus next month being off this week. Just suppose to get 5 trains in September and 4 for the month of October. That's about half what usually comes. There is enough coal already laying on the ground to supply those trains. It doesn't look good, Ive already started looking for other jobs, out of the coal industry even if its less pay. Which I would advise anybody to do, its just going to keep getting worse.I give McCoy a few months tops.
What is the problem with the trains? Why are they not in here in the numbers they once were?
Hardline

Hueysville, KY

#54 Sep 10, 2013
Coal Trains wrote:
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What is the problem with the trains? Why are they not in here in the numbers they once were?
That is all the orders they have.
I Agree

Mount Sterling, KY

#56 Sep 10, 2013
miner wrote:
we are suppose to get a bonus for last month which will make up for the week were off. But are suppose to get off another week either next month or November. And we will not get a bonus next month being off this week. Just suppose to get 5 trains in September and 4 for the month of October. That's about half what usually comes. There is enough coal already laying on the ground to supply those trains. It doesn't look good, Ive already started looking for other jobs, out of the coal industry even if its less pay. Which I would advise anybody to do, its just going to keep getting worse.I give McCoy a few months tops.
I agree, It is going to get MUCH WORST. I have had a small business for 38 years but due to the coal business I will be closeing Dec.31th. It is a sad time. I just want to thank all the coal miners & Truckers for keeping me going for so long. Without the coal here, It effectest us ALL. May GOD Bless Us All.
no non sense

Ransom, KY

#57 Sep 10, 2013
well this makes sense this explains why our hard working miners are being punished this week not being able to keep working for McCoy cause they let things like that go on......so sad!!
Market Conditions

Lebanon, KY

#60 Sep 11, 2013
It is surprising how quick people turn on each other in times of difficulty. There is a war on coal that was declared from the white house and the EPA this is not the fault of anyone at McCoy Elkhorn. Your finger pointing and back biting is miss directed and does nothing but sow distrust and discontent among everyone in the company. People once pulled together in times such as these instead of turning on one another.

Every coal corporation in Eastern Ky. is under pressure right now and layoffs and shut downs are common every month. No coal company is immune to these market pressures. You guys need to organize and put pressure on your legislative people to get food banks started, training programs for laid off miners and a push to start brining non coal related jobs in here.

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#61 Sep 11, 2013
Market Conditions wrote:
It is surprising how quick people turn on each other in times of difficulty. There is a war on coal that was declared from the white house and the EPA this is not the fault of anyone at McCoy Elkhorn. Your finger pointing and back biting is miss directed and does nothing but sow distrust and discontent among everyone in the company. People once pulled together in times such as these instead of turning on one another.
Every coal corporation in Eastern Ky. is under pressure right now and layoffs and shut downs are common every month. No coal company is immune to these market pressures. You guys need to organize and put pressure on your legislative people to get food banks started, training programs for laid off miners and a push to start brining non coal related jobs in here.
Says the James River / McCoy mouthpiece.
Jabber

Hindman, KY

#63 Sep 11, 2013
Market Conditions wrote:
It is surprising how quick people turn on each other in times of difficulty. There is a war on coal that was declared from the white house and the EPA this is not the fault of anyone at McCoy Elkhorn. Your finger pointing and back biting is miss directed and does nothing but sow distrust and discontent among everyone in the company. People once pulled together in times such as these instead of turning on one another.
Every coal corporation in Eastern Ky. is under pressure right now and layoffs and shut downs are common every month. No coal company is immune to these market pressures. You guys need to organize and put pressure on your legislative people to get food banks started, training programs for laid off miners and a push to start brining non coal related jobs in here.
I got friends working for peabody in Indiana and they say the company is giving them all the overtime they want. Why isn't there a war on coal in those places? I know three men that went to work in western kentucky a month ago. They're working all the hours they want too.
hhh

Winchester, KY

#64 Sep 11, 2013
western kentucky has Clean coal.
Hard Times

Lebanon, KY

#65 Sep 11, 2013
Jabber wrote:
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I got friends working for peabody in Indiana and they say the company is giving them all the overtime they want. Why isn't there a war on coal in those places? I know three men that went to work in western kentucky a month ago. They're working all the hours they want too.
They get a price per ton that is above what it cost to mine it, a profit margin. All the easy coal is gone here and mining cost per ton is making it hard to compete with Western Ky. or Wyoming Coal. Some of the stuff on this thread may be why McCoy Elkhorn operating expenses are so high...Patriot shut down over in Logan Co. WVa. today...
Laughing

Chesterfield, MO

#66 Sep 11, 2013
Gassy wrote:
Obama's EPA is killing us but they are using natural gas to kill us with. It may be plentiful now but when you get all the coal fired plants converted over to Nat Gas they will holler the demand is so high they need to raise the prices. They will sell it artificial low also in order to get their foot in the door but when they get everything converted watch the price go two time the price of coal fired.
Just out luck, no jobs and electric bill will be triple what it is now.
The regulations for the power plants have been in place for years. They had ample time to bring the plants up to date. The Western states were smart enough to ensure their plants met policy. Supply and demand is another factor. More supply than demand. You are right about the gas prices.
just heard

Lebanon, KY

#67 Sep 11, 2013
Patriot has 250 men idle (meaning they have to decide if it is profitable to continuing mining or call in the dogs) Coal mining has been on the decrease since the 1970's what is left isn't a drop in the bucket of what mining use to be. Please don't blame Obama, regulations have been in place for decades, not just since he has been in office. If anyone is to blame it's government as a whole not just the sitting president. What about the hundred or so that closed while Bush, Clinton was in there? I agree it's sad so many people are unemployed, but surely that saw it coming, unless they were in the coal mine 24/7/365.
Coal Trains

Lebanon, KY

#68 Sep 11, 2013
Laughing wrote:
<quoted text>The regulations for the power plants have been in place for years. They had ample time to bring the plants up to date. The Western states were smart enough to ensure their plants met policy. Supply and demand is another factor. More supply than demand. You are right about the gas prices.
The new 2015 air standards has coal fired utilities and banks running scared. The new standard will be easy to meet for natural gas but impossible for coal fired plants. Utilities don't use their own money for scrubbers or natural gas conversion, they borrow it as it takes millions of dollars per plant for scrubbers or a billion for a new coal fired plant that can't meet the new EPA clean air standards. Scared money, the banks ain't lending for new coal fired plants or upgrades. As plants switch over to western coal that is low sulfur and easier on the scrubbers or natural gas eastern coal gets hurt. You are right supply and demand, there will be less and less demand for eastern coal for steam coal. 2015 on I don't even think western coal will meet the new standards, nat gas does so there you go!
Hardline

Lebanon, KY

#69 Sep 11, 2013
hhh wrote:
western kentucky has Clean coal.
West Ky coal is high sulphur. Thicker seams, long wall mined, and all power plants that don' convert to nat. Gas are putting in scrubbers for high sulphur coal. Through seam thickness and long wall capabilities theroduction cost is cheaper. Somewhere along the line of $30 Aton.
Coal Trains

Lebanon, KY

#71 Sep 11, 2013
Hardline wrote:
<quoted text> West Ky coal is high sulphur. Thicker seams, long wall mined, and all power plants that don' convert to nat. Gas are putting in scrubbers for high sulphur coal. Through seam thickness and long wall capabilities theroduction cost is cheaper. Somewhere along the line of $30 Aton.
Western coal is low sulfur, and in many cases does not have to be washed. Yes big ole 80-100 foot thick seams on prairie land. Easy to reclaim, strike it off flat and sow a little grass seed on it. they don't have to take a 100 foot of rock from over it and can mine it for less than half what we do. Low sulfer, not High sulfur, we have the high sulfur.
Hardline

Hueysville, KY

#72 Sep 11, 2013
Coal Trains wrote:
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Western coal is low sulfur, and in many cases does not have to be washed. Yes big ole 80-100 foot thick seams on prairie land. Easy to reclaim, strike it off flat and sow a little grass seed on it. they don't have to take a 100 foot of rock from over it and can mine it for less than half what we do. Low sulfer, not High sulfur, we have the high sulfur.
West KY coal is Illinois basin coal. It is high sulphur. Western coal, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah is 9000 btu and low in sulphur.
Coal Trains

Lebanon, KY

#73 Sep 11, 2013
Coal Trains wrote:
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Western coal is low sulfur, and in many cases does not have to be washed. Yes big ole 80-100 foot thick seams on prairie land. Easy to reclaim, strike it off flat and sow a little grass seed on it. they don't have to take a 100 foot of rock from over it and can mine it for less than half what we do. Low sulfer, not High sulfur, we have the high sulfur.
That would be Powder River Basin coal, Wyoming, not Western Ky. Western coal is low sulfur and since it is already just flat grass land it is easy to reclaim, they have low cost. A lot of the southern states power plants are switching to Western Coal because it is cheaper and burns cleaner, low sulfur...You people need to wake up and smell the coffee, even Western coal will not meet EPA air standards in 01, 2015. Natural gas will eat your lunch, you coal miners are in a state of denial and that ain't a river in Egypt. Best be lookin gor another way of making a living guys. The fat lady is warming up in the wings, it is just about over!
Management

Hazard, KY

#74 Sep 13, 2013
PROBLEM !!!!!

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