The Future of Eastern Kentucky
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KELLERMAN

Mount Gilead, OH

#60 Oct 22, 2013
Ray Ratliff wrote:
We at The Future of Eastern Kentucky have started a petition to send to Frankfort and DC Demanding them to bring jobs to Eastern, KY So each and every family will have a fair chance to achieve a better living. We are poverty stricken from the impact of job loss here; we want a better life for families in this area. We ask each and every one of you to sign our petition and have your voice heard!
The recent loss of jobs in the coal industry stuck a devastating impact on each and every person in Appalachia. I have listened to many people say they are not affected by coal so why should they worry. What people don’t realize is every dollar that passes through this region has been in either a miner of someone who is related to the industries hand before ours.
With the above being said we just want to clarify that our petition only deals with the coal industry as to bringing jobs in to replace the ones lost due to downfall of coal in Eastern Kentucky. We aren’t Anti anything, we are Pro People, Pro Jobs, and Pro Community. Our goal is to get both the Democrat and Republican Parties working together to bring back jobs to our great community we live in. Please join our site and sign the petition if you haven't.
Thank you
Ray Ratliff
John Hatfield
https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefutureofea...
http://eastky.tk
I agree with your post, and one only has to look toward the north to see how depending on one industry can effect the entire population. Our cities here in Ohio had to reinvest and reinvent themselves after the blue collar jobs made their way to China or Mexico leaving them with nothing to depend on. I would suggest your area starts early on this. I don't think most people get the message that all businesses are effected when your main tax base is gone. Good luck to fine folks. I have many good memories of visiting this wonderful area.
Prayer

Pikeville, KY

#61 Oct 22, 2013
We need more God and prayer.
Amy

Winter Park, FL

#62 Oct 22, 2013
Where are the Christian pastors speaking out against local corruption?

You won't hear a peep because their congregation and family members have jobs because of the corruption.

As long as Christians in Pike County rely on "who you know or who you blow", there is going to be no change because God doesn't respect sell outs.

I am speaking from personal experience with Boldman Freewill Baptist church. Lots of good people there, but when push comes to shove .... jobs are more important than sticking up for what Jesus would do.
Reality

Harold, KY

#63 Oct 22, 2013
Amy wrote:
Where are the Christian pastors speaking out against local corruption?
You won't hear a peep because their congregation and family members have jobs because of the corruption.
As long as Christians in Pike County rely on "who you know or who you blow", there is going to be no change because God doesn't respect sell outs.
I am speaking from personal experience with Boldman Freewill Baptist church. Lots of good people there, but when push comes to shove .... jobs are more important than sticking up for what Jesus would do.
I wouldn't turn this into an argument of what's not being done by whom...rather, turn it into a consolidated effort on everyone's behalf to do the next right thing. To single out someone is overshadowing what can be done by you as well.
Amy

Winter Park, FL

#64 Oct 23, 2013
The reality is this, and it doesn't matter what particular denomination; if Christians don't stand up for what is true, good, and right in Pike County- then nothing is going to change.

Nothing is going to change while the Christian leaders bow down to the corruption. They can't serve two masters,[serve God on Sunday and Wednesday night- while compromising for jobs for family every other day of the week] and that is why Eastern Kentucky has already went to "he!! in a handbasket".
Reality

Harold, KY

#65 Oct 23, 2013
Amy wrote:
The reality is this, and it doesn't matter what particular denomination; if Christians don't stand up for what is true, good, and right in Pike County- then nothing is going to change.
Nothing is going to change while the Christian leaders bow down to the corruption. They can't serve two masters,[serve God on Sunday and Wednesday night- while compromising for jobs for family every other day of the week] and that is why Eastern Kentucky has already went to "he!! in a handbasket".
And it is the attitude and hopeless nature of people similar to you in your current state of heart and mind who use words of discouragement, anger, and blame that helped to get it that way! Change your own focus...let your actions and not your words cause changes for the better. It may have already gone to hell in a handbasket...I know the situation has been deteriorating...but we all need to do our part to make the improvements that are needed for long term growth. This comes not only from pastors/preachers...but teachers, law enforcement, administrative agencies...all the way down to the mothers and fathers who have children who have to see this.
Amy

Winter Park, FL

#67 Oct 23, 2013
Reality wrote:
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And it is the attitude and hopeless nature of people similar to you in your current state of heart and mind who use words of discouragement, anger, and blame that helped to get it that way! Change your own focus...let your actions and not your words cause changes for the better. It may have already gone to hell in a handbasket...I know the situation has been deteriorating...but we all need to do our part to make the improvements that are needed for long term growth. This comes not only from pastors/preachers...but teachers, law enforcement, administrative agencies...all the way down to the mothers and fathers who have children who have to see this.
Wow, why don't you go hold hands with everybody and sing kombaya and make it all better.

That hasn't worked so well has it? No, people in East. KY are still under the thumb of the company store [really still slaves/indentured servants]. Except now its the corrupt politicians who promise jobs and rig the courthouse to the person with the most political pull INSTEAD of the most qualified or ensuring that justice is done.

And then everyone wonders why companies with sustainable living wages refuse to move to East Ky.

As long as Christians refuse to remove the corruption from the local government; change is never going to happen in Eastern KY. I don't see how that statement is having a "bad attitude" or "discouragement". It's simple truth.

You can't do an overhaul without a breakthrough from God. For example, UNITE was created to reduce drugs. Now millions of dollars have been poured into UNITE, and the drug addiction is worse than before UNITE. But hey, the important people got jobs with UNITE.
Reality

Harold, KY

#70 Oct 23, 2013
Fox News Is A Joke wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you understand the Coal Industry has this Area right where it has always wanted it??
An uneducated cheap Labor Force readily available for the Times it is needed. Other Times to he-- with us.
I see your point...however, there is a vast difference in a coal miner of today compared to 30 years ago. Most have had a full opportunity to acquire an education and have completed high school. Entering the coal mines was a choice...sadly, many entered the mines with a goal of obtaining some form of disability...and many have succeeded. There is a question of work ethic in all of this...a question of initiative and finding new sources to generate a growing economy...and foremost, a need for coal operators to give back to the community rather than allow their greed to fill their bank accounts and then just sit back and allow the community to wilt away.
Reality

Harold, KY

#71 Oct 23, 2013
Amy wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, why don't you go hold hands with everybody and sing kombaya and make it all better.
That hasn't worked so well has it? No, people in East. KY are still under the thumb of the company store [really still slaves/indentured servants]. Except now its the corrupt politicians who promise jobs and rig the courthouse to the person with the most political pull INSTEAD of the most qualified or ensuring that justice is done.
And then everyone wonders why companies with sustainable living wages refuse to move to East Ky.
As long as Christians refuse to remove the corruption from the local government; change is never going to happen in Eastern KY. I don't see how that statement is having a "bad attitude" or "discouragement". It's simple truth.
You can't do an overhaul without a breakthrough from God. For example, UNITE was created to reduce drugs. Now millions of dollars have been poured into UNITE, and the drug addiction is worse than before UNITE. But hey, the important people got jobs with UNITE.
At least I am trying to do something about it.
Amy

Winter Park, FL

#72 Oct 23, 2013
Don't take my comments as if I am criticizing you. I am not. I am not even native East Ky and I am doing my part to change things also.

But the issue is spiritual and mental. Read Ephesians and Exodus. As long as everybody is okay with the little crumb they get from their job and close their eyes when they see wrong doing; nothing is going to change.

You know Manchester in Clay County where there was so much corruption; the Christians finally got off their butts and started doing something about it. They actually marched around Manchester claiming it for Jesus, renamed it the city of hope, took responsibility as citizens to monitor the courts and actually did something. Feds came in and cleaned up the corruption only after the Christians started acting in faith. Best to you in your endeavors, just be warned that they falsely indict people in Pike County for speaking out.
Reality

Harold, KY

#74 Oct 23, 2013
Amy wrote:
Don't take my comments as if I am criticizing you. I am not. I am not even native East Ky and I am doing my part to change things also.
But the issue is spiritual and mental. Read Ephesians and Exodus. As long as everybody is okay with the little crumb they get from their job and close their eyes when they see wrong doing; nothing is going to change.
You know Manchester in Clay County where there was so much corruption; the Christians finally got off their butts and started doing something about it. They actually marched around Manchester claiming it for Jesus, renamed it the city of hope, took responsibility as citizens to monitor the courts and actually did something. Feds came in and cleaned up the corruption only after the Christians started acting in faith. Best to you in your endeavors, just be warned that they falsely indict people in Pike County for speaking out.
Thanks...I appreciate any amount of support I can get. It's a difficult task...but so much more can be done.

Since: May 10

Elkhorn City, KY

#76 Oct 23, 2013
We have spoken to Members of the Local and State Government and they support what we are doing. I spoke with many of them yesterday in Pikeville. John and I were also interviewed by WSAZ News yesterday also we were interviewed by Appalachian News Express. We have a interview with Wifx at harold that will be on the morning show one day this weekend.

Http://eastky.tk
A River Ran Through it

Georgetown, KY

#78 Oct 23, 2013
Or past it as the case may be. Before you laugh and dismiss this post I want to remind all of you that Pikeville was a River Town. If not for the river there would have been no Pikeville.
Flat Boats and Steam Boats were the lifeline of Pikeville until the turn of the last century when the railroads finally reached this mountain river town. All supplies come up the river and passengers and goods went down the river from Pikeville.
Where am I going with all of this? We need to get the Corps of Engineer's to study opening the river back up to Catlettsburg or Ashland. River transport is cheaper than Trains now given the cost of diesel fuel and there is a large tourism benefit to having the river open to river passenger excursions from Pikeville down to the towns along the Big Sandy. Casino's are big and between transportation, tourism and nostalgic tours I believe it would bring a fair amount of money into the Pikeville economy.
A large project but worth looking at to see if it is feasible and worth the cost. After all this is the town that moved a river and a railroad, can't tell me we can't dredge one in the shallow sections.
Off the main line train excursions, we have beautiful mountains here and several old mining towns have tourist train attractions. The Narrow Gage Railroad from Durango to Silverton in Colorado being but one. I know we have some large track section off the main line that will be idle soon as we lose the coal industry. We have the choice of the old nostalgic steam trains or modern diesel passenger trains. We do it at Christmas on the main line. What a kick to see a passenger train in Pikeville again even if only for tourism.
Just brainstorming but to me the river project for a town that was a river town for years seems doable and a big tourist draw.
I would just like to see it studied and see if it could be done. I bet the fiscal court could as the Corps if it is doable or a foolish idea.
I bet we could run coal barges down that river a lot cheaper than trucking it to Catlettsburg not that we will need to when they shut the power plant down. Still if we could get coal down to the Ohio River cheaper it would help us compete.
I would base the study of profitability for non coal traffic as we will lose coal over the next ten years.
Historian

Paducah, KY

#79 Oct 23, 2013
A River Ran Through it wrote:
Or past it as the case may be. Before you laugh and dismiss this post I want to remind all of you that Pikeville was a River Town. If not for the river there would have been no Pikeville.
Flat Boats and Steam Boats were the lifeline of Pikeville until the turn of the last century when the railroads finally reached this mountain river town. All supplies come up the river and passengers and goods went down the river from Pikeville.
Where am I going with all of this? We need to get the Corps of Engineer's to study opening the river back up to Catlettsburg or Ashland. River transport is cheaper than Trains now given the cost of diesel fuel and there is a large tourism benefit to having the river open to river passenger excursions from Pikeville down to the towns along the Big Sandy. Casino's are big and between transportation, tourism and nostalgic tours I believe it would bring a fair amount of money into the Pikeville economy.
A large project but worth looking at to see if it is feasible and worth the cost. After all this is the town that moved a river and a railroad, can't tell me we can't dredge one in the shallow sections.
Off the main line train excursions, we have beautiful mountains here and several old mining towns have tourist train attractions. The Narrow Gage Railroad from Durango to Silverton in Colorado being but one. I know we have some large track section off the main line that will be idle soon as we lose the coal industry. We have the choice of the old nostalgic steam trains or modern diesel passenger trains. We do it at Christmas on the main line. What a kick to see a passenger train in Pikeville again even if only for tourism.
Just brainstorming but to me the river project for a town that was a river town for years seems doable and a big tourist draw.
I would just like to see it studied and see if it could be done. I bet the fiscal court could as the Corps if it is doable or a foolish idea.
I bet we could run coal barges down that river a lot cheaper than trucking it to Catlettsburg not that we will need to when they shut the power plant down. Still if we could get coal down to the Ohio River cheaper it would help us compete.
I would base the study of profitability for non coal traffic as we will lose coal over the next ten years.
This is not a very practical idea. It would be tremendously expensive. It would still not put the town or region in the path of travelers. River transport is cheaper for bulk commodities like coal or grain, but it is too slow for high value products and things that are part of a "just in time delivery" manufacturing process.

Take a look at this map of the proposed U.S. high speed rail sytem:

http://www.ushsr.com/images/810_US_HSR_Phasin...

Note that eastern Kentucky and all of Appalachia is a "railroad desert" just as it was from the beginning of the railroad era until the early 20th century. If you want your area to have a chance of prosperity in this century, start pushing for a high speed passenger rail line from Louisville to Richmond, Virginia.
Historian

Paducah, KY

#80 Oct 23, 2013
Even better, make it from Louisville to Greensboro, NC.
May Not Float

Georgetown, KY

#84 Oct 23, 2013
The Belle Of Louisville and the Louisville Star are slow boats but are tourist attractions. Tourism is not all about speed. Those Floating Casino's on the Ohio River are not even moving. Pigeon Forge was just a poor area of the Southern Appalachian Mountains until they turned to the tourist trade. They never had coal or anything else before they got into tourism. I would not discount an idea until the Corps turned it down. If boats could run that river over 112 years ago they can now! It is not like you have to dig a whole river, just dredge the low spots. It may be even that it is possible during the spring. That is when the old timers floated their log rafts to Catlettsburg. You never say no until you have assessed the profitability and the possibility. You don't know if the cost outweigh the profitability until you do a feasibility study.
Reality

Harold, KY

#87 Oct 23, 2013
May Not Float wrote:
The Belle Of Louisville and the Louisville Star are slow boats but are tourist attractions. Tourism is not all about speed. Those Floating Casino's on the Ohio River are not even moving. Pigeon Forge was just a poor area of the Southern Appalachian Mountains until they turned to the tourist trade. They never had coal or anything else before they got into tourism. I would not discount an idea until the Corps turned it down. If boats could run that river over 112 years ago they can now! It is not like you have to dig a whole river, just dredge the low spots. It may be even that it is possible during the spring. That is when the old timers floated their log rafts to Catlettsburg. You never say no until you have assessed the profitability and the possibility. You don't know if the cost outweigh the profitability until you do a feasibility study.
A good start would be to clean up the smaller tributaries that feed the river and the Big Sandy, itself...that would be nice even if the feasibility of utilizing it were not promising...but who knows? This is something that can be done on an individual level...and it would be a great opportunity to put some effort into something on a community-wide level to improve the area.:)
Historian

Crofton, KY

#90 Oct 24, 2013
May Not Float wrote:
The Belle Of Louisville and the Louisville Star are slow boats but are tourist attractions. Tourism is not all about speed. Those Floating Casino's on the Ohio River are not even moving. Pigeon Forge was just a poor area of the Southern Appalachian Mountains until they turned to the tourist trade...
True, the Belle of Louisville and the Louisville Star are slow boats, and the gambling boats do not move. But you are missing the major point. The boats themselves are the tourist attractions. They people who ride them for fun do not ride them to Louisville. They travel from their homes to the tourist attraction on fast, modern transportation - today the interstate highways and airplanes. Developing the tourist attraction is pointless if people can't get to it from the outside world via the most modern transportation. In this century that modern transportation will be high speed railroads. Get the railroad, then worry about putting something there that people will want to get off the train and see or do.

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