#41 Jan 4, 2009
That is realy sad. You know that him being a lawyer the dentist bills would not be a drop in the hat. But I still do not see that the local government would go thru that much trouble, If I was one of his buddies and was a county attorney or a judge and he would be ashamed to come and ask me for help. He would be ashamed to tell me he was not taking care of his children.
#42 Jan 4, 2009
All we have is her side, where she says she done nothing wrong. I'm sure both her and her ex husband are at fault. That's always the case. She's not an innocent victim like she tries to portray here. What was that about her march? Oh yeah, that she also had her sick child out there marching with her. Nice.
He's probably a POS, too. That's practically a given since he's a lawyer.
#43 Jan 4, 2009
I agree CJT24. Even though we may have some corruption and favor's being done, I doubt anyone would want her murdered. And even if the Trooper was buddies with them, I doubt he is going to commit murder for them. That is really far fetched. I think accusations about the trooper going to kill her, and about the Throw-away gun is going to do nothing but hurt her case in the end. They are so outlandish that it is going to take any merit she may have in the other accusations away. She is going to be portrayed as a crazy person who is dilusional. I don't know whether she is in the right or the wrong, but she needs to stick to the matters in the case. As I have stated in previous threads, I have spent two nights in the Pike jail, only for PI, and I went easy both times and have been treated with respect. The turnkeys and the Troopers who dealt with me treated me well in spite of me breaking the law. I knew in both instances that I was in the wrong and treated them with respect as they was only doing there job. In one event I was young and me and a friend left the Mark and in our drunken ignorance let some girls talk us into driving to another bar. The officer that arrested me in this instance was a old former fellow employee of mine. I knew he was only doing his job and me and him both wished it did not have to happen. On the second instance several years later I had had a disagreement with some family members(in-laws) and I went walking because it was going to get out of hand if I stayed. I did not want to let it go to a point of a fight so I went walking to cool off. My wife on the other hand followed in the car trying to get me to come back, not fully understanding the overexcitement of the matter. This is what drew the unecessaty attention that the came into the scene. I was as crazy as it seems happy they had shown up and went willfully. They understood, and treated me like a human being also. They was two arresting officers and I did not know either one of them. Now I see them regularly in this area and greet them as friends. Not every cop is corrupt, all of them are not pricks, just you have to realize what their job puts them thru daily! These are tho only two times I have been in trouble and got what I deserved on both instances. Now I have children and work two jobs and have gave up the dumb habits of bars and drinking. Now I am addicted to Forums!! LOL!!
#44 Jan 4, 2009
I'm not sure about her child in the march. I asked her, but she didn't reply to that question or the I asked about, if the case was still pending.
Still waiting for that information. Not trying to butt into her business, she seems to want to talk about these things.
Just trying to understand it.
#45 Jan 4, 2009
Me too! I am just asking the questions I think everyone else will have. And letting her know input on the way most will see some of the things she is bringing up. No doubt she probably has been on the end of some bad favoritism, but she needs to keep some of the accusations out of it, because I believe they sound to outlandish. They may have done some paper shoveling and so on to buy time, but I do not think they would want her dead.
#46 Jan 4, 2009
You want to know about the March?
Well I applied for child support prosecution against Jonah Stevens with Keith Halls office in June 2005.
Repeatedly I went to Keith Halls office and asked for an appointment and was told they would call me. They never did.
Then in November 2005,(still waiting for Keith Hall to do something) Dr. Sachedevas office told me that the boys hadn't had health insurance in a very long time. Jonah had canceled it and never told me.
I applied for a KCHIP card for the boys, AND QUALIFIED. The only catch was that Jonah had to call the KCHIP office and verify his income. He wouldn't do it. So the kids were denied KCHIP even though they didn't have insurance.
Then in December 2005: Hall filed a notice that he intended to withdraw and give it to another county attorney- but he never filed a motion to follow that up.
Meanwhile I kept filing motions in the court case; but because no judge had ever been assigned from 2002 there was no judge to hear it.
In January 2005: I called the Floyd County Attorney who said they couldn't do anything until the Pike County attorney actually withdrew.
February 2006: Jonah finally got health insurance on the children but the co pays were 25$ a peice and if he cooperated with the KCHIP office- the children would have had both private insurance and KCHIP would pay the copay for me. The boys and I were living off the "voluntary" child support from Jonah of $800.00 per month.
And every so often he would just refuse if I said or did anything he didn't like. Which is exactly why I wanted child support set through the courts.
After being jerked around by the Keith Hall and Jonah Stevens for months upon months;
The boys were sick. I took them to the Dr. the oldest had strep throat, the little one had a sinus infection. So there four copays to the doctor and the walmart pharmacy. Thats $100.00 of the $800.00 of "voluntary" child support.
So the boys had a follow up when they were with their father. He was too lazy to take them. Plus he must not have made the oldest one take his medicine because he still had strep throat when they got back to me.
So then I had to take both of them again to the Doctors office on a Monday. The oldest still had strep, and the youngest was ok. That was three copays.$75.00. So by then $175.00 of the "voluntary" child support was on copays which KCHIP would have covered in full for me had Jonah just verified his income with the KCHIP office.
By Wednesday, the Oldest one had infected both his brother and me with strep throat. I took my youngest son to the doctor, then had to go myself. So we are at $125.00 for my doctor visit (no insurance) and $25.00 doctor visit copay for the youngest child. So $325.00 of the "voluntary" child support was spent by then
#47 Jan 4, 2009
Now, put in the money for car insurance, rent, power bill,-- I have very little money left especially after having to pay bills from other months when Jonah would just cut off the "voluntary" child support.
So I go to walmart to pick up medicine. I had enough money like $15.00 dollars for my antibiotic but not the $40.00 some for the youngest son because for some reason the insurance wasn't going through. So no big deal, right?
I went by Jonah's office and told his secretary to tell him to pick up the youngest sons medicine and to meet us at the band concert that night at Mullins.
Jonah doesn't show up at the band concert. although his mother and wife did. THEY DID NOT BOTHER to get the medicine.
So then its Thursday. NEVER BEFORE DID MY CHILDREN EVER GO WITHOUT THEIR MEDICINE. Walmart tells me that the child's insurance is cancelled.
I didn't put Jonah through lawschool for my children to do without insurance, AGAIN.(this was a clerical error by wal-mart)
I had anticipated that I would not be able to pay for medical bills months before; but was denied child support prosecution and KCHIP insurance by Keith Hall, and Jonahs refusal to cooperate with the KCHIP office.
I snapped. It was a combination of being sick myself, being frustrated that Keith Hall would do nothing, frustrated that my son was sick and I didn't have the money to buy his medicine, frustrated that I had tried to avoid this outcome months before, aggravated that apparently Jonah had cancelled the childrens health insurance once again and plain old just being denied my rights in court because there was no judge with jurisdiction to hear it.
It wasn't the best decision. And I am confident that if it wasn't the perfect storm of issues; it would have never happened.
But I decided if I was going to have to beg money from strangers to buy my son's medicine, which is what I was doing on the street; I was going to make sure that the public knew what was going on.
We were outside no more than ten minutes. And that was from the child support office to the courthouse and back.
Now Carol, I have exposed myself to attacks on here to tell you exactly what happened. And I have laid off on what happened to your sister.
But how many other women out there in Pike County are being denied child support prosecution cause Hall is buddies with their ex. How many men in Pike County are being hit hard for child support because their ex's has political connections to Hall.
Its the same thing with criminal prosecutions. How many people are being hurt by repeat offenders who get slapped on the wrist by Howard Keith Hall because Hall gives them a pass, or several passes from being criminally prosecuted?
Since: Sep 08
#48 Jan 4, 2009
I am only asking a question.are these things you have been saying really true.not the child support stuff,but about how the system did you,and the police did you.If it is true,why haven't the federal people took this case and put these people under investigation.seems to me if a case like you say is factual,then that would open up the door and the house of cards would fall.but it is still standing,and those people are still doing their job everyday.but it just seems to me if there was credence to this,then the federal would pick it up,FBI,US attorney's office or somebody would come into pikeville and uncover all this coruption.I'm not making fun either.but was just wondering why if its all true,hasn't somebody done something.
#49 Jan 4, 2009
I agree with rusty. I was just saying earlier that the other accusations about the gun in my opinion will nurt your case and not help it. I do not blame you for raising hell. I would have never agreed to anything less than court appointed child support. Is 800 even enough? I have two children also and they eat money, specially when it comes to doctor bills. Seems to me that you would not have a problem, If I was him I would not want people to hear how I was doing my children. You know that it couldn't do good for his practice. You would think that buddy or no buddy that K. Hall would not even consider delaying a matter of this nature. I
#50 Jan 4, 2009
Bleu....I didn't ask for every detail, just had a couple of questions. You didn't say whether this is still pending or not.
I do not want to attack you. We have had our disputes on another thread. I'm just trying to understand this.
From what I've just read, it was a combination of things that happened, that made you make a bad decision at that particular time. If you had your son in the march, while sick, you probably thought you were doing this for him, and I can understand, a mom will do what it takes for her children.
But, someone just looking at this might think you were doing the child more harm, not your intention, but that's how it looks.
I think you need to stick to the things you can prove, and not make accusations, because people will not listen if you rant on things you can't prove.
I'm not clueless to the fact that things go on in the court system that shouldn't.
But through frustration, you could have made matters worse for you. That doesn't make what others did or didn't do okay.
You're only accountable for your choices. They are accountable for theirs.
But, stick to what you can prove, for your own sake.
#51 Jan 4, 2009
We are somehow off track. This is about prisoners in Pike County Jail. Bleu is not very objective. She was the victim of a KSP conspiracy. She was going to be murdered in a cruiser while being transported to a jail. I somehow dont think KSP cares about who gets KCHIP
At least not enough to committ murder
#52 Jan 4, 2009
I think she was put in jail, so that would make her an inmate at one time.
I'm just trying to understand this.
#53 Jan 6, 2009
Sham legal proceedings are proceedings which take place without any authority of law but pretend to.
What Judge Paxton, Judge Larry Thompson, and the Pike County Circuit Court Clerk did in 2002 to have Paxton hear the DVO's without her being granted jurisdiction is Fraud.
Enough not only to get Thompson off the bench, Deskins out of office, but both Thompson, Paxton, my ex husband, his attorney disbarred. Thats a whole lot of reasons to get rid of somebody. Plus, I even had documentation from the Attorney General refusing to do mandatory duties.
Part of this mess is in a lawsuit for malicious prosecution in Frankfort right now. The FBI has a file on it, and they even copied my records from the clerks office. However, there is an assistant federal prosecutor that is refusing to move forward because of the Frankfort lawsuit.
I have contacted just about everybody you can think of; but the Bush administration who appointed the federal prosecutors-- they for the majority of Bush term have been staying away from political corruption giving state official free reign.
That is why everything is going to hell in a handbasket- You got the Illinois Governor, the Madoff ponzi fraud- I mean, everyone knows that the Feds come in and clean out the Pike County courthouse at least once a decade.(and its overdue).
My hope is that I can get some attention focused on this after Obama takes office and there are new federal prosecutors. If that doesn't happen, I am going to go to the federal grand jury myself.
Believe me, I didn't give full details Carol. Like one time when I didn't have rent money and food I asked for help from my home church; it was one of the times Jonah decided to cut off the "voluntary" child support. Jonah then turned around and put it in court documents stating that I defrauded the church and has even told our children that we [the children and I] were stealing from the church.
So I was too embarrassed to ask my church for the money in April cause I didn't want to go through that ordeal again. Jonah even put it in court documents that he, Jonah wrote my pastor explaining how my oldest son was sorry about defrauding the church.
I have no family in Pike, other than my two sons. I felt like I had no options. AND I WAS DAMN SURE my son was going to get his medicine one way or another. Thats even if I had to beg for it on the street- which is what we were doing.
Jonah Stevens is a major creep. He plays mind games on you. That is why he is decent as an attorney because he gets into the jurors heads. Unfortunately, the system went along with him because he is an attorney.
Since: Sep 08
#54 Jan 6, 2009
well i wish you well on this if what you say is true.I belive in stopping injustice,for all of us.
I don't know the details,but if you fill you got a case,then follow through.one of us may need help with something like this down the road.and we all deserve a fair shake.but if the system can break down and be manipulated like you say,then something needs to be done.GOD Speed
#55 Jan 6, 2009
Everyone knows that they show favoritism, most just do not care. Most of the locals have at least one whole card in there somewhere. I wonder what they do when both parties in a legal battle have some pull? Probably some of the only fair cases fought! Locals do not comment on the issue or bring light to the subject on the mere principles that they do not want to offend none of them in case they need a favor sometime!!!!
#56 Jan 7, 2009
You are absolutely right. However, there is a price for that. Like the Coroner Charles Morris son killed that woman and her unborn baby, after getting good deals from the county attorney time after time. It's an awful high price knowing how easy it is that someone you love could be killed just driving to wal-mart cause of all the "favor's" being done.
#57 Jan 8, 2009
Although we have disagreed on some things, I understand what you're talking about here. Serious things are let go, or looked over when a favor is done, or money is involved.
But I have a question. You keep mentioning the county attorney. From my understanding, when Kevin Rowe had the 19 misdemeanors, and was never held accountable, prior to murdering my sister, it was the district judge(s) that let him go time after time.
So what role did the county attorney play? I do not have a law degree, and this may sound like a dumb question, but we have never heard anything about the county attorney in this situation, only the district court judge(s).
Are you saying that the county attorney represented Rowe during these 19 charges or that it was his place to do something about them?
Or is it the district court judge(s) that are supposed to? I'm just not clear on this.
Probably some are going to say to move this to another thread. But all in all this is about the court system, judges, jail, inmates, cause Kevin Rowe was given special treatment, because his dad paid people in the jail to protect him. This is hearsay, but I believe it.
There is a lot more that goes on in the jail with the inmates that I can not prove, but again, I believe it.
I think some would be shocked, others would not.
#58 Jan 8, 2009
The County attorney is responsible for prosecuting misdemeanors. The County Attorney is also responsible for taking felonies through a process called preliminary hearings.
Now the County Attorney offers plea deals to speed the process. The Judge just signs off on the plea deals. The Judge HAS NOTHING TO DO with offering plea deals.
The County Attorney represents us, the public as the Commonwealth. The County Attorney is 100% responsible for all plea deals. Under the assumption that those 19 misdemeanors in one year by Kevin Rowe were all pleaded out; then the County Attorney had 19 opportunities to put Kevin Rowe in jail for up to a year. This if the County Attorney had prosecuted Rowe instead of offering sweet heart deals.
Its no big deal after the first charge, or maybe even the second. But surely by the third charge against Rowe that year; the County Attorney knew by doing political favors for the dad- that the public was at risk given the repeat offenses by Kevin Rowe.
Same thing with Charles Morris' son. The County Attorney kept giving sweetheart deals for political favor. That ended up with a dead mother and her baby.
I am sorry to be blunt and reinjure you and your family; if any of those charges against Kevin Rowe had been been properly prosecuted by Howard Keith Halls office- Your sister would likely be alive and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
With 19 charges in a year; there was more than enough to set a very high bond and keep Rowe in jail.
This even with Rowe being guilty; there is probably a strong likelihood that there was some shady stuff going on in Rowe's criminal trial to cover up Hall not prosecuting Rowe on those misdemeanors.
So unless something is done about Hall in the county attorneys office; its only a matter of time till its someone elses loved one that gets murdered, or a car wreck with some politically connected druggie.
This is besides all the other crap Hall is involved like my case.
#59 Jan 8, 2009
Now Bleu, we're not getting into the criminal trial, because we totally disagree about this.
There was way to much evidence, no shady deals necessary.
But, I'll give you a chance to explain what you mean by this.
And if we disagree any further we'll have to go to the Commonwealth vs Kevin Rowe thread, not on this one.
#60 Jan 9, 2009
When ever a official does something wrong- they will always do something worse to cover it up. It's kind of like a little kid. You know they make a bigger mess to cover up a little mess.
I am not saying that Rowe is innocent. I am not saying that Rowe shouldn't be getting what he deserve.
I am not trying to argue with you on this Carol. What I am saying is that a legal system that does a favor one day, can flip and do a disfavor the next day. They did several favors for Rowe; and it turned around and bit them in the butt. It's a given in the nature of the legal system that they will make sure Rowe pays for that.
Just trying to explain- not argue.
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