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#22 Mar 19, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
With the recent federal conviction of former NYPD officer Gilberto Valle for his supposed "intent" to kidnap/abduct, rape, torture, kill and then cannibalize people despite NEVER doing anything but talk about it, do you think it's fair he may receive a Life Sentence in prison? Remember now, he never DID anything but talk about his dark "fantasies" and the only REAL crime he committed was accessing a Federal Database for someone's personal information (home address, etc.). He's now been convicted for something he talked about and never really did and who KNOWS if he would have ever carried any actual crimes out? Sure, he's one sick puppy no doubt but should someone face life in prison for a clear mental illness instead of some form of therapy or treatment?
This is clearly a slippery slope when people face arrest and possible imprisonment for merely saying or
just thinking something and not much more else, especially if they break NO Law whatsoever (Valle
did of course by accessing a federal database without authorization) but what if people in power begin
to judge YOUR thoughts alone as "offensive" or consider them "threatening"? Should people now start watching what they think or fantasize about and never dare to think outside of the box of what's considered the norm? And if so then WHO is to determine what is "normal" and what isn't? What's an "acceptable" thought and what is NOT??!
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cannibal-...
. Strange, for once we seem to agree on something. I'm now worried the world may be coming to an end. I don't think he should be facing a life sentence, but he should for sure be detained in a mental health facility.

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#23 Mar 19, 2013
glendajo wrote:
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Do mentally stable people (such as the man you are referring to in your original post0 have such bizarre thoughts?
I have went on the record several times in this thread stating that Valle's clearly mentally ill in my opinion. On the flipside though, who is to be trusted to determine whom is mentally ill or "stable" either one? People are pretty self-serving these days or have alternative agendas in many cases so anyone making dictates about others should be closely watched for any malfeasance.
Bleeding Blue wrote:
<quoted text>. Strange, for once we seem to agree on something. I'm now worried the world may be coming to an end. I don't think he should be facing a life sentence, but he should for sure be detained in a mental health facility.
Clearly. It's just common sense and obvious the man has mental issues, ones that if went unchecked or untreated might escalate to present harm to others..or maybe not, who REALLY knows? I just know
the notion that it's alright to lock people away for Life in prison for merely thinking something
or SAYING something is just as mentally unsound as Valle himself appears to be.
Early Cuyler

Whitesburg, KY

#24 Mar 19, 2013
If we start locking people up for thoughts then we all will be locked up. Not one person alive can say that at one time or another that they haven't thought about offing someone. Where will the line be drawn? Are you comfortable knowing that someday you may be locked up for jokingly saying you wanted to rob a bank? If condone this man being locked away for this who is to say it will not be broadend to cover that aswell? Or maybe someday you disagree with a government policy, then you get a knock on your door from armed government condoned thugs to lock you away and taking you from your family for life, because you had the audacity to voice your opinion. Don't say it couldn't happen, because if we allow it to start, it WILL snowball out of control. Do you want to live in a society where you fear voicing your opinions or fantasies no matter how crazy it may be? I for one do not. I think the man has some serious issues maybe, but locking him up is not the answer.
Berry Girl

United States

#25 Mar 19, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
With the recent federal conviction of former NYPD officer Gilberto Valle for his supposed "intent" to kidnap/abduct, rape, torture, kill and then cannibalize people despite NEVER doing anything but talk about it, do you think it's fair he may receive a Life Sentence in prison? Remember now, he never DID anything but talk about his dark "fantasies" and the only REAL crime he committed was accessing a Federal Database for someone's personal information (home address, etc.). He's now been convicted for something he talked about and never really did and who KNOWS if he would have ever carried any actual crimes out? Sure, he's one sick puppy no doubt but should someone face life in prison for a clear mental illness instead of some form of therapy or treatment?
This is clearly a slippery slope when people face arrest and possible imprisonment for merely saying or
just thinking something and not much more else, especially if they break NO Law whatsoever (Valle
did of course by accessing a federal database without authorization) but what if people in power begin
to judge YOUR thoughts alone as "offensive" or consider them "threatening"? Should people now start watching what they think or fantasize about and never dare to think outside of the box of what's considered the norm? And if so then WHO is to determine what is "normal" and what isn't? What's an "acceptable" thought and what is NOT??!
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cannibal-...
To what you have stated, and after reading the article referenced, I find I can not endorse or dispute either side of the argument. Before coming to any conclusion in favor of one or the other, there are too many questions that need to be answered. We, the public in general along with the jury, only know what was presented in court to sustain a case prepared by the state to convict this man with, most likely, any and all prejudicial evidence omitted. In other words, what occurred in this man's life between age 18 to 28 is not known (until sentencing). Thus so many questions. We don't know the complete story. It could very well be that his behavior became more dangerous while on duty to where his colleagues became allarmed for the general welfare of not only is family, friends, and co-workers but also for any one who came in contact with this officer while he was on duty. After all, he had the right to stop women for traffic violations. I do wish you well.

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#26 Mar 21, 2013
Early Cuyler wrote:
If we start locking people up for thoughts then we all will be locked up. Not one person alive can say that at one time or another that they haven't thought about offing someone. Where will the line be drawn? Are you comfortable knowing that someday you may be locked up for jokingly saying you wanted to rob a bank? If condone this man being locked away for this who is to say it will not be broadend to cover that aswell? Or maybe someday you disagree with a government policy, then you get a knock on your door from armed government condoned thugs to lock you away and taking you from your family for life, because you had the audacity to voice your opinion. Don't say it couldn't happen, because if we allow it to start, it WILL snowball out of control. Do you want to live in a society where you fear voicing your opinions or fantasies no matter how crazy it may be? I for one do not. I think the man has some serious issues maybe, but locking him up is not the answer.
Exactly. I think many people fail to understand the dangers possible once precedents are established, Trav and this case is a perfect example of that. If Valle is imprisoned for Life for his thoughts alone then it will set a legal precedent that can later be applied to ANYONE for their supposed "Thought Crime". Meaning that maybe it will become a trend (God forbid Law) to prosecute people for merely THINKING or saying something that others find offensive or personally apprehensible. But then again Fascism IS a growing
trend in America it seems.
SpitterofTruth

Harold, KY

#27 Mar 21, 2013
While I agree we must always be ever mindful of the slippery slope legal precedents put us on...This is not one of those situations. You see...It is ILLEAGEL to plan a murder...Even if you never go through with it...Infact if a mental health professional uncovers during therapy that you are having thoughts of harming yourself or others they are LEGALLY required...and have been for quite some time...to remand you to the nearest mental healthcare facility for a 72 hour psychiatric evaluation. That's just a fact...
wtf

Lexington, KY

#28 Mar 22, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
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Exactly. I think many people fail to understand the dangers possible once precedents are established, Trav and this case is a perfect example of that. If Valle is imprisoned for Life for his thoughts alone then it will set a legal precedent that can later be applied to ANYONE for their supposed "Thought Crime". Meaning that maybe it will become a trend (God forbid Law) to prosecute people for merely THINKING or saying something that others find offensive or personally apprehensible. But then again Fascism IS a growing
trend in America it seems.
Fattism is a growing trend with you Wastes.
krj

Georgetown, KY

#29 Mar 22, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
With the recent federal conviction of former NYPD officer Gilberto Valle for his supposed "intent" to kidnap/abduct, rape, torture, kill and then cannibalize people despite NEVER doing anything but talk about it, do you think it's fair he may receive a Life Sentence in prison? Remember now, he never DID anything but talk about his dark "fantasies" and the only REAL crime he committed was accessing a Federal Database for someone's personal information (home address, etc.). He's now been convicted for something he talked about and never really did and who KNOWS if he would have ever carried any actual crimes out? Sure, he's one sick puppy no doubt but should someone face life in prison for a clear mental illness instead of some form of therapy or treatment?
This is clearly a slippery slope when people face arrest and possible imprisonment for merely saying or
just thinking something and not much more else, especially if they break NO Law whatsoever (Valle
did of course by accessing a federal database without authorization) but what if people in power begin
to judge YOUR thoughts alone as "offensive" or consider them "threatening"? Should people now start watching what they think or fantasize about and never dare to think outside of the box of what's considered the norm? And if so then WHO is to determine what is "normal" and what isn't? What's an "acceptable" thought and what is NOT??!
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cannibal-...
Hush ole Hog Head.
wtf

Lexington, KY

#30 Mar 22, 2013
krj wrote:
<quoted text>Hush ole Hog Head.
lmfao

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#31 Mar 22, 2013
krj wrote:
<quoted text>Hush ole Hog Head.
Still same-sex obsessing over my "pork" meat, huh deviant? Kiss The Pig, MF'er, LMAO!
wtf

Lexington, KY

#32 Mar 22, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
<quoted text>
Still same-sex obsessing over my "pork" meat, huh deviant? Kiss The Pig, MF'er, LMAO!
You got porked in the rear as a Child you deviant SOB.

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#33 Mar 22, 2013
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>You got porked in the rear as a Child you deviant SOB.
WTF is trying his own brand of Thought Crime here by sharing his same-sex, homoerotically-driven fantasies and thoughts with us and they are so sickeningly perverse that it should be a crime. Spitter Of Truth above pointed out the fact that CONSPIRACY to commit Murder IS a crime (which it is but Valle never actually conspired to do so in my opinion) while I contend that THOUGHTS alone cannot be crimes but I'm willing to allow an exception in the case of deviant POS SOB WTF's case for his thoughts are criminal and offensive to decent people. He should be taken into custody, tortured severely, then publicly executed to send a clear message to other vile perverts like himself.
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#34 Mar 23, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF is trying his own brand of Thought Crime here by sharing his same-sex, homoerotically-driven fantasies and thoughts with us and they are so sickeningly perverse that it should be a crime. Spitter Of Truth above pointed out the fact that CONSPIRACY to commit Murder IS a crime (which it is but Valle never actually conspired to do so in my opinion) while I contend that THOUGHTS alone cannot be crimes but I'm willing to allow an exception in the case of deviant POS SOB WTF's case for his thoughts are criminal and offensive to decent people. He should be taken into custody, tortured severely, then publicly executed to send a clear message to other vile perverts like himself.
Fatrick, you blew a man for drugs. For Christ sake do not project on me.

Lmfao

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