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With the recent federal conviction of former NYPD officer Gilberto Valle for his supposed "intent" to kidnap/abduct, rape, torture, kill and then cannibalize people despite NEVER doing anything but talk about it, do you think it's fair he may receive a Life Sentence in prison? Remember now, he never DID anything but talk about his dark "fantasies" and the only REAL crime he committed was accessing a Federal Database for someone's personal information (home address, etc.). He's now been convicted for something he talked about and never really did and who KNOWS if he would have ever carried any actual crimes out? Sure, he's one sick puppy no doubt but should someone face life in prison for a clear mental illness instead of some form of therapy or treatment?

This is clearly a slippery slope when people face arrest and possible imprisonment for merely saying or
just thinking something and not much more else, especially if they break NO Law whatsoever (Valle
did of course by accessing a federal database without authorization) but what if people in power begin
to judge YOUR thoughts alone as "offensive" or consider them "threatening"? Should people now start watching what they think or fantasize about and never dare to think outside of the box of what's considered the norm? And if so then WHO is to determine what is "normal" and what isn't? What's an "acceptable" thought and what is NOT??!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cannibal-...
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Absolutely this man should be locked away.How can you even attempt to argue that fact.Just because he hadn't completed his plans yet it is very obvious what he was about to attempt.His computer was full of evidence plus he had conversations with others informing them of his plans.Thank God he was stopped before he was able to do it.Should they have waited until he actually killed someone before they did anything?If you know someone is going to kill a bunch of people do you wait until after they do it to arrest them.This man did more than just think about kidnapping and killing people as you suggest.He went as far as to plan this sick scheme out and fortunately was stopped before he was successful.And anyone who would consider this mans thought process as the "norm" should be evaluated.

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Calm Days wrote:
Absolutely this man should be locked away.How can you even attempt to argue that fact.Just because he hadn't completed his plans yet it is very obvious what he was about to attempt.His computer was full of evidence plus he had conversations with others informing them of his plans.Thank God he was stopped before he was able to do it.Should they have waited until he actually killed someone before they did anything?If you know someone is going to kill a bunch of people do you wait until after they do it to arrest them.This man did more than just think about kidnapping and killing people as you suggest.He went as far as to plan this sick scheme out and fortunately was stopped before he was successful.And anyone who would consider this mans thought process as the "norm" should be evaluated.
Locked away for what? Where was the crime committed (other than the one concerning the
database)? People think thoughts every day that I/we don't like or agree with but what
gives YOU or anyone else the right to incarcerate them for thinking about something or
talking about something without actually DOING anything BUT? You are merely mindlessly
ASSUMING things without any actual EVIDENCE of commission of a specific CRIME so based
on your lack of rationality I THINK YOU should be imprisoned! See how absurd such crap
is?
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SWINE SLAYER wrote:
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Locked away for what? Where was the crime committed (other than the one concerning the
database)? People think thoughts every day that I/we don't like or agree with but what
gives YOU or anyone else the right to incarcerate them for thinking about something or
talking about something without actually DOING anything BUT? You are merely mindlessly
ASSUMING things without any actual EVIDENCE of commission of a specific CRIME so based
on your lack of rationality I THINK YOU should be imprisoned! See how absurd such crap
is?
You should be in Basement.
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Calm Days wrote:
Absolutely this man should be locked away.How can you even attempt to argue that fact.Just because he hadn't completed his plans yet it is very obvious what he was about to attempt.His computer was full of evidence plus he had conversations with others informing them of his plans.Thank God he was stopped before he was able to do it.Should they have waited until he actually killed someone before they did anything?If you know someone is going to kill a bunch of people do you wait until after they do it to arrest them.This man did more than just think about kidnapping and killing people as you suggest.He went as far as to plan this sick scheme out and fortunately was stopped before he was successful.And anyone who would consider this mans thought process as the "norm" should be evaluated.
totally agree,lock the nut up and throw away the key,the only reason the man didn't kill anyone was because he was found out,when u make plans to commit murder you should be arrested BEFORE you kill people not AFTER,the police shouldn't wait until you commit a crime to arrest you,i bet the poster swine would feel different if it was him being the one they planned to kill,would they want the police to wait until after someone who threatened them actually did something,heck no,they would call the cops as soon as they knew someone was trying to kill them,and the cops would arrest them for conspiracy to murder,that's the way it has always been and should be,you make plans to kill people and you get arrested,simple and logical,don't want to go to jail for your thoughts then don't think about and plan a killing spree and brag about it to other nut cases

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And again the depth of this issue has escaped another
emotionally-driven and intellectually-devoid fascist.
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SWINE SLAYER wrote:
And again the depth of this issue has escaped another
emotionally-driven and intellectually-devoid fascist.
intellectually devoid,why,because i dont agree with you,that is fascist on ur part,u say this guy was busted for his thoughts but when you start putting those thoughts into action and making plans to kill people then u go to far and deserve what u get,u try to make it sound like this nut only had these thoughts in his head,but if u read the story he was making plans to kidnap and kill women,and he even told his plans to some more nuts,u left that part of the story out,it's no different than cops busting terrorists for planning to bomb something,but i guess from what ur saying they should let them bomb something first since it's just thoughts until they actually do it,nonsense,u want to think about killing people that's one thing but when u make plans to do it that's totally different,by planning it u have already started the crime u just haven't finished it yet

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kobevslebron wrote:
<quoted text>intellectually devoid,why,because i dont agree with you,that is fascist on ur part,u say this guy was busted for his thoughts but when you start putting those thoughts into action and making plans to kill people then u go to far and deserve what u get,u try to make it sound like this nut only had these thoughts in his head,but if u read the story he was making plans to kidnap and kill women,and he even told his plans to some more nuts,u left that part of the story out,it's no different than cops busting terrorists for planning to bomb something,but i guess from what ur saying they should let them bomb something first since it's just thoughts until they actually do it,nonsense,u want to think about killing people that's one thing but when u make plans to do it that's totally different,by planning it u have already started the crime u just haven't finished it yet
Pure mindlessness. It's silly to think someone should be imprisoned (possibly for Life) for merely THINKING something and NO proof of substance exists to incriminate or convict him of anything in actuality. Sure, he is obviously mentally ill and in need of some type of treatment but the truth is most people think dark thoughts at some time or another but that does not mean they are going to actually go forward and act on them. You're illogically leaping to abstract hypothesis with making invalid connections to terrorism or bomb-making which has nothing to do with THIS case. Show me where Valle supposedly "made plans" to do anything..writing something down is NOT necessarily making plans to DO anything. You illogical Fascists and your need to CONTROL everything and everyone, now including their THOUGHTS where you summarize them into irrational indictments, are the REAL DANGERS to everyone. Can YOU tell what I am
THINKING now? Hint: You're a moron.
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i won't belittle myself by going into the name calling and labeling like u feel u have to just because someone disagrees with u,can't u have a disagreement with someone without resorting to name calling,i notice u do that only with people who don't see things ur way,u started this thread without actually reading the whole story first,no one is saying u should be arrested on ur thoughts alone,we would all be in jail if that was the case,but when u start making plans to kill people and kidnap people ur are in the beginning stage of committing a crime,crimes that are considered to be terrorist actions,you posted this story so i shouldn't have to show u were it says he was making plans and discussing those plans with people,u should already have read that fact before posting this,don't feel offended if i don't respond to u again but ur immature attitude isn't worth the time

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kobevslebron wrote:
i won't belittle myself by going into the name calling and labeling like u feel u have to just because someone disagrees with u,can't u have a disagreement with someone without resorting to name calling,i notice u do that only with people who don't see things ur way,u started this thread without actually reading the whole story first,no one is saying u should be arrested on ur thoughts alone,we would all be in jail if that was the case,but when u start making plans to kill people and kidnap people ur are in the beginning stage of committing a crime,crimes that are considered to be terrorist actions,you posted this story so i shouldn't have to show u were it says he was making plans and discussing those plans with people,u should already have read that fact before posting this,don't feel offended if i don't respond to u again but ur immature attitude isn't worth the time
You have a point and perhaps I was a bit hasty in devolving down to using derogatory insults but I'm so sick and tired of seeing people that appear to have a lack of any rational sensibility and seem eager to force a state of complete control on everyone that thinks differently than THEY themselves do. America is on the most dangerous spiral into an era that seems determined to reject Civil Rights of the individual instead opting to allow an "elite" power-holding Ultimate Authority of a certain few (or just one?) to make life-altering choices that impact everyone else BUT them it seems. Once again, this man Valle did nothing but talk some crazy talk and very little else and is not facing a Life Sentence in prison and for what?! TALK. Writing something here or there and the only REAL Law he broke was using a computer for truly UNKNOWN reasons (that people are only GUESSING about ultimately) and nothing more.

Take this very site for instance and let's hypothesize: People sit on here everyday and "say" incredulous, unbelievable things (mostly since they NEVER have to actually account for/own up to "saying" of course) and what if someone somewhere decided that and that alone was enough to sentence them/you/I/we to prison for Life? Seriously..just for typing something on Topix they claim to "believe" while never doing anything except that and perhaps TELL someone else what they stated here. That's pretty much the equivalent of what's happened in this case of Valle's.

People in America MUST shed this notion that a certain faction of people have the RIGHT to dictate and force THEIR beliefs on others to establish some type of perceived "peace" or unrealistic "safety" for everyone else. We're seeing this programmed-type lunacy rise in fanatic anti-gun sects somehow trying to "reason" that violating people's RIGHTS is somehow alright and allowable as long as the illusion of supposed safety is created..and now it's appearing to boil over to where people are justifying abuses of others based nothing much more than talk and supposed "thoughts" devoid of REAL actions only to mislead themselves (and others) into a false sense of security. We are
all going to face REAL threats in these elitist, Fascist ideologies keep spreading like diseases.

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you posted this story so i shouldn't have to show u were it says he was making plans and discussing those plans with people
P.S.- And again, he only TALKED about this stuff pretty much..wrote something down perhaps but STILL that does NOT prove INTENT of actually DOING anything nor does using a computer..none of that realistically PROVES anything, it only leads to guesswork and extreme speculating/hypothesizing.
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P.S.- And again, he only TALKED about this stuff pretty much..wrote something down perhaps but STILL that does NOT prove INTENT of actually DOING anything nor does using a computer..none of that realistically PROVES anything, it only leads to guesswork and extreme speculating/hypothesizing.
Youe intent is to do nothing ever.

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<quoted text>Youe intent is to do nothing ever.
Coming from the most unoriginal, thoughtless SOB POS on this site..that is amusing!
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Coming from the most unoriginal, thoughtless SOB POS on this site..that is amusing!
Brush your teeth Peter breath.

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<quoted text>Brush your teeth Peter breath.
Sharing openly homosexually-natured thoughts like this perverted POS SOB does daily is the REAL Thought(less) Crime happening.
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Sharing openly homosexually-natured thoughts like this perverted POS SOB does daily is the REAL Thought(less) Crime happening.
Your queer thoughts have landed you in the Basement.

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Locked away for what? Where was the crime committed (other than the one concerning the
database)? People think thoughts every day that I/we don't like or agree with but what
gives YOU or anyone else the right to incarcerate them for thinking about something or
talking about something without actually DOING anything BUT? You are merely mindlessly
ASSUMING things without any actual EVIDENCE of commission of a specific CRIME so based
on your lack of rationality I THINK YOU should be imprisoned! See how absurd such crap
is?
Do mentally stable people (such as the man you are referring to in your original post0 have such bizarre thoughts?
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You have a point and perhaps I was a bit hasty in devolving down to using derogatory insults but I'm so sick and tired of seeing people that appear to have a lack of any rational sensibility and seem eager to force a state of complete control on everyone that thinks differently than THEY themselves do. America is on the most dangerous spiral into an era that seems determined to reject Civil Rights of the individual instead opting to allow an "elite" power-holding Ultimate Authority of a certain few (or just one?) to make life-altering choices that impact everyone else BUT them it seems. Once again, this man Valle did nothing but talk some crazy talk and very little else and is not facing a Life Sentence in prison and for what?! TALK. Writing something here or there and the only REAL Law he broke was using a computer for truly UNKNOWN reasons (that people are only GUESSING about ultimately) and nothing more.
Take this very site for instance and let's hypothesize: People sit on here everyday and "say" incredulous, unbelievable things (mostly since they NEVER have to actually account for/own up to "saying" of course) and what if someone somewhere decided that and that alone was enough to sentence them/you/I/we to prison for Life? Seriously..just for typing something on Topix they claim to "believe" while never doing anything except that and perhaps TELL someone else what they stated here. That's pretty much the equivalent of what's happened in this case of Valle's.
People in America MUST shed this notion that a certain faction of people have the RIGHT to dictate and force THEIR beliefs on others to establish some type of perceived "peace" or unrealistic "safety" for everyone else. We're seeing this programmed-type lunacy rise in fanatic anti-gun sects somehow trying to "reason" that violating people's RIGHTS is somehow alright and allowable as long as the illusion of supposed safety is created..and now it's appearing to boil over to where people are justifying abuses of others based nothing much more than talk and supposed "thoughts" devoid of REAL actions only to mislead themselves (and others) into a false sense of security. We are
all going to face REAL threats in these elitist, Fascist ideologies keep spreading like diseases.
you have been sentenced to the Basement.
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wtf could never be convicted of a thought crime because first of all you have to have a brain to think.wtf time and time again clearly shows beyond a reasonable doubt that he does not have a brain in his head.

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