Should Parents Be Punishable For Chil...

Should Parents Be Punishable For Children's Actions?

Created by PAT RlOT on Oct 24, 2013

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Yes Indeed.

No Way.

Not Really Sure.

Depends On Child's Age.

Damn Right Someone Is Responsible!

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“PROUDLY PUNKING MODS & TROLLS ”

Since: May 13

FOR 1/2 A DECADE!!!

#1 Oct 24, 2013
I think it's a viable option while children are in a certain age bracket myself..say 16 maybe. Too many children are out of control and too many parents are way out of touch with making them mind and behave correctly. Some parents are just lazy and some are too distracted by life in general,
some parents are overwhelmed and feel incapable of making their children behave, there are lots of different reasons. I have been following a story in Florida where two teen girls (14 and 12) bullied another young girl to the point that she killed herself just weeks before her 13th birthday. One
of the accused girls (the 14 year old) continued making hateful, volatile "Tweets" about how she was proud of bullying that girl and did not "give a f_ck that she was now dead..". All the while the parents of that 14 year old have denied and denied their daughter doing anything or being part of the problem despite seeing her "Tweets" and everything else going on. Now video footage has surfaced of that girl's Mother physically abusing her children and she has also been charged for crimes same as her 14 year old step-daughter has been as well (for separate incidents).

We all know parents with children that either misbehave, do not mind or act respectfully,
or are just totally out of control and seemingly beyond repair. We know kids that do all
kinds of unruly things or break laws and yet it seems like nothing happens to them and
so the bad behavior continues but do you think that if their parents had to face some
kind of punishment it would change things?

“lmao I'm a flamer”

Since: Nov 10

Point Pleasant, WV

#2 Oct 24, 2013
No, I don't think that parents should be punished. For one, it creates authoritarian parents. Ones who control every single action that the child could make. They grow up not being able to make choices and become withdrawn adults. Also, that teaches the child that someone else is to blame for their own actions, in turn, teaches them no responsibility for their own actions.
I was raised in an authoritarian household, and struggle day in and day out over the simplest decisions.
Jail Cell Together

Elkhorn City, KY

#3 Oct 24, 2013
PAT RlOT wrote:
I think it's a viable option while children are in a certain age bracket myself..say 16 maybe. Too many children are out of control and too many parents are way out of touch with making them mind and behave correctly. Some parents are just lazy and some are too distracted by life in general,
some parents are overwhelmed and feel incapable of making their children behave, there are lots of different reasons. I have been following a story in Florida where two teen girls (14 and 12) bullied another young girl to the point that she killed herself just weeks before her 13th birthday. One
of the accused girls (the 14 year old) continued making hateful, volatile "Tweets" about how she was proud of bullying that girl and did not "give a f_ck that she was now dead..". All the while the parents of that 14 year old have denied and denied their daughter doing anything or being part of the problem despite seeing her "Tweets" and everything else going on. Now video footage has surfaced of that girl's Mother physically abusing her children and she has also been charged for crimes same as her 14 year old step-daughter has been as well (for separate incidents).
We all know parents with children that either misbehave, do not mind or act respectfully,
or are just totally out of control and seemingly beyond repair. We know kids that do all
kinds of unruly things or break laws and yet it seems like nothing happens to them and
so the bad behavior continues but do you think that if their parents had to face some
kind of punishment it would change things?
When children commit a bad crime they ought to be jailed with their parents in a jail cell together for months, that way they could straighten each other out.

“PROUDLY PUNKING MODS & TROLLS ”

Since: May 13

FOR 1/2 A DECADE!!!

#4 Oct 24, 2013
Posts #2 and #3 both make valid, interesting points and I understand both sides so here's my take on this issue: I feel it is okay to punish parents for their children's actions but only in certain cases where specific criteria exists such as the child's age, record of previous behavior, severity of offense, etc. I think that if
you're dealing with a child say between 8 years old and 16 then you have a just expectation for that child to know right from wrong as well as expect their parents to instill that understanding within them. Yet if you have kids that are doing terrible things and are in a constant cycle of trouble and their parents refuse to take an active hand in correcting their behavior then yes, punish those parents right along with those kids (not necessarily together in a cell as suggested above..but perhaps?). I take such a view because we expect parents to be the "role models" or for lack of a better
word, the "source" of determining right and wrong or what is acceptable socially and what is not. Another possibly effective weapon is to shame the parents (if they have any, LOL!) about their child's actions as I myself have done at times. Point out how badly their child misbehaves and make sure to lay the blame at those parent's feet and drive home how shamefully and negatively it reflects on those parents.

“PROUDLY PUNKING MODS & TROLLS ”

Since: May 13

FOR 1/2 A DECADE!!!

#5 Oct 27, 2013
I believe that the overall LACK of punishment and discipline from Parents to Children is a very harmful negligence that adds to many of current social ills.
hungry

Georgetown, KY

#6 Oct 27, 2013
today parents aren't allowed to punish children so why not blame the system that took away the spare the rod spoil the child.
Why should the children care they know if their parents try to punish them they can call the system and the parents are in trouble

“lmao I'm a flamer”

Since: Nov 10

Point Pleasant, WV

#7 Oct 27, 2013
Correct, the system created it, but then the system won't follow through. So many kids starving and seeing drug addicted parents, and they don't investigate. But yet, they placed the fear in every stable home. It's ridiculous. I still spank my kids, and if they want to investigate, let them. I've tried that time out crap...teaches them nothing. No real threat. "wait til your daddy gets home" will always work for a spanking.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#8 Oct 27, 2013
On one hand: Yes. For example, look at the recent case where a 12 yr old girl jumped off of a building because she was being bullied so badly. If that wasnt bad enough, one of her supposed bullies keeps posted horrible things about this dead child ( she doesn't give a f, the deceased is in hell). In that case, I want to know where her parents are, and why they aren't beating her ass.
On the other hand: No. I feel that to some extent the system has tied parents hands and will not allow parents to inflict harsher, sometimes necessary punishments. You can obviously be an effective parent without beating your children......BUT consider this: Oncr upon a time, if a boy were to rape and abuse a girl, he'd have her father, brothers, uncles, etc waiting for him. He knew he would be lucky to get out of that situation alive. Teens learned their lessons the hard way. Now, this rarely happens. You have to think about this parents, knowing that their children are being treated (or treating others) so cruely that the victim literally wants to die. Did the threat of jail stop this mother (in the case of the 12 year old) from catching one of these girls alone and putting the fear of god in her?
I don't advocate fighting kids or hitting children; but I would go to jail a hundred times before I would let somebody harass my baby to the point that she took her own life. It just seems like kids are learning these lessons in a jail cell instead of from thier parents and community anymore.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#9 Oct 27, 2013
road_rage wrote:
Correct, the system created it, but then the system won't follow through. So many kids starving and seeing drug addicted parents, and they don't investigate. But yet, they placed the fear in every stable home. It's ridiculous. I still spank my kids, and if they want to investigate, let them. I've tried that time out crap...teaches them nothing. No real threat. "wait til your daddy gets home" will always work for a spanking.
Time out does work, but only if you use time out from something they really enjoy. Say they are playing and having great time......that's when time out is very effective. I think the most important thing is to not make empty threats.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#10 Oct 27, 2013
amanda wrote:
<quoted text>
Time out does work, but only if you use time out from something they really enjoy. Say they are playing and having great time......that's when time out is very effective. I think the most important thing is to not make empty threats.


You know, time out from doing homework or chores is obviously not going to work. Lol
Brandon

Stollings, WV

#11 Oct 27, 2013
Where was WTF or (AKA) Fox News Is A Jokes parents,when he was growing up.He has bullied everyone on topix and I bet he also did as a child.Will he ever learn from this,it's not right making fun or calling people names!

“lmao I'm a flamer”

Since: Nov 10

Point Pleasant, WV

#12 Oct 27, 2013
amanda wrote:
<quoted text>Time out does work, but only if you use time out from something they really enjoy. Say they are playing and having great time......that's when time out is very effective. I think the most important thing is to not make empty threats.
It may work on some, but a very few. For example, for a short while, I worked at a day care here in town. The age group was toddlers, and we had this one really mean little boy, but he was so adorable. He did something bad, I can't remember now what it was, and he was in time out for it. We sat him in a chair, and he wouldn't stay. He kept getting down, and we'd sit him back in it. He finally started smiling, like a bashful smile, but kind of like the puppy effect, while sliding out of the chair. Almost like he was saying, look how cute I am. I always get my way if I do this. Now, if he was spanked, he would have stayed planted to that chair.
Another example is my daughter. We have taken her tablet, her tv, I've actually thrown things away just to get her to clean her room. I won't spank over a dirty room, but I will take things..and that does not faze her. She will sit in that dirty room all day if you make her, without cleaning it. She's very stubborn, and time out doesn't work on those kids. But, she's a good girl when it comes to behavior. Never gets in trouble at school, and very well mannered. If I decided to spank for cleanliness, I'd say she'd be better at that as well...but I feel that that would be over stepping power.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#13 Oct 27, 2013
road_rage wrote:
<quoted text>
It may work on some, but a very few. For example, for a short while, I worked at a day care here in town. The age group was toddlers, and we had this one really mean little boy, but he was so adorable. He did something bad, I can't remember now what it was, and he was in time out for it. We sat him in a chair, and he wouldn't stay. He kept getting down, and we'd sit him back in it. He finally started smiling, like a bashful smile, but kind of like the puppy effect, while sliding out of the chair. Almost like he was saying, look how cute I am. I always get my way if I do this. Now, if he was spanked, he would have stayed planted to that chair.
Another example is my daughter. We have taken her tablet, her tv, I've actually thrown things away just to get her to clean her room. I won't spank over a dirty room, but I will take things..and that does not faze her. She will sit in that dirty room all day if you make her, without cleaning it. She's very stubborn, and time out doesn't work on those kids. But, she's a good girl when it comes to behavior. Never gets in trouble at school, and very well mannered. If I decided to spank for cleanliness, I'd say she'd be better at that as well...but I feel that that would be over stepping power.
Yes, if you are not allowed to make the child sit in the chair, time out isn't going to work. Not that I would necessarily want a daycare worker to attempt to make my child stay in a chair, but at home I can sit there and sit her back down. But yeah, time out doesn't work on very stubborn children.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#14 Oct 27, 2013
amanda wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, if you are not allowed to make the child sit in the chair, time out isn't going to work. Not that I would necessarily want a daycare worker to attempt to make my child stay in a chair, but at home I can sit there and sit her back down. But yeah, time out doesn't work on very stubborn children.
I'm suprised that taking your daughters tablet doesn't phase her. Does she eventually clean her room to get it back?

“lmao I'm a flamer”

Since: Nov 10

Point Pleasant, WV

#15 Oct 27, 2013
amanda wrote:
<quoted text>I'm suprised that taking your daughters tablet doesn't phase her. Does she eventually clean her room to get it back?
Lol, she hasn't cleaned her room since I cleaned it and threw things away. I took her tablet a couple of weeks after she had it because it was buried under a bunch of clothes in the floor. I kept it for months. She wanted it for something, Facebook or something, and she cleaned her room. Then, a couple days later, same thing. I took it again..she hasn't cleaned her room since then..I'd say it's been about 5 months now. She had a tv, but I took it over the same reason two years ago. She doesn't care. I'm not sure what to do. She's not allowed sleepovers, tv, tablet, and favorite toys were thrown away, and nothing. But she's never been materialistic...guess that's a good thing...but she has a very big heart, and that's really all that matters.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#16 Oct 27, 2013
My daughter is only 2 so I've got all that to look forward to.
amanda

Lebanon, KY

#17 Oct 27, 2013
PAT RlOT wrote:
Posts #2 and #3 both make valid, interesting points and I understand both sides so here's my take on this issue: I feel it is okay to punish parents for their children's actions but only in certain cases where specific criteria exists such as the child's age, record of previous behavior, severity of offense, etc. I think that if
you're dealing with a child say between 8 years old and 16 then you have a just expectation for that child to know right from wrong as well as expect their parents to instill that understanding within them. Yet if you have kids that are doing terrible things and are in a constant cycle of trouble and their parents refuse to take an active hand in correcting their behavior then yes, punish those parents right along with those kids (not necessarily together in a cell as suggested above..but perhaps?). I take such a view because we expect parents to be the "role models" or for lack of a better
word, the "source" of determining right and wrong or what is acceptable socially and what is not. Another possibly effective weapon is to shame the parents (if they have any, LOL!) about their child's actions as I myself have done at times. Point out how badly their child misbehaves and make sure to lay the blame at those parent's feet and drive home how shamefully and negatively it reflects on those parents.
You know, I think that what it boils down to is that there isn't a one size fits all approach to this problem.

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