Marion Branch Land Sale

Marion Branch Land Sale

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Honest Abe

Clay City, KY

#1 Mar 8, 2013
In reading the ANE report today I am wondering about Mr. Blackburns statement about the Marion Branch area being goverment property and originally "we just went up and asked them to grant us the property". Why should you have to pay for it anyway?

This statement explains a lot about this mans character and mindset in my opinion.

The way I understand it the property belongs to the people. But was titled to the Pikeville/Pike County Airport. Thus the airport board has an obligation to represent the airport interests and its assets. Not the cities or the counties best interests Futhermore should any asset be sold I would hope the board arrives at a price as opposed to the buyer making the price. As the Marions Branch property is concerened I ask was the airport board listing or offering the property for sale? It appears the city came kocking on the door wanting the property. Then why would not a sitting board look out for the airports best interests and get the most money available? This airport will soon be in need of revenue to support it and I wonder how far the city or county will/can go to keep it open?

In addition Mr. Blackburn a far as the Dixon Nunnery apprasial could you please tell me how much it was? Who paid for it? And if the city paid for it why did you have trouble locating it?

Lastly Mr. Blackburn can you explain to me and the people what "as is" means in this apprasials? Was not the agreement with the mining company to leave it in a certain condition? And was your apprasials done before that point? And did you buy it with an "as is" apprasial or a completed apprasial?

Lastly Marions Branch is not your property, not the cities property or the counties property. Its the people property and in my opinion the people got shortchanged on the price. I also wonder about your comments as to the holdup on the development and the possible escalation of pricing. I wager that it wouldn't be an issue for high income country club types of homes surrounding a golf course.
Proof is in the Pudding

Panther, WV

#2 Mar 8, 2013
Correspondance between Donovan and airport chairman Hickman. "The city is eternally grateful for you and your leadership to make this happen. You have made a friend for life."

Now when buy a new car or truck I generally don't send the salesperson a e-mail as such. Now if I got that vehicle for half the Blue Book value I just might. Nevertheless I feel the deal stinks.

Those serving the board have a duty to conduct business in a manner that will best benefit the airport. And I feel that this matter deserves more attention now that we have learned these facts.
GOP

Charleston, WV

#3 Mar 8, 2013
It appears that a very important appraisal was 'mysteriously' ignored and missing. UHHHH......WHAT??

The 'appraised' property was quickly taken by the city for a mere pittance of its worth. Then the city manager, after that very questionable dealing between the city and Bill Hickman, sent an incriminating email.

"The city is eternally grateful for you and your leadership to make this happen. You have made a friend for life."

No above board and transparent deal should garner such gushing praise and a big ol 'BFF and I am forever, ever and ever grateful' without something 'earning' that high praise.

I think arrogance and political cronyism just might be in the spotlight now since so much has been gleaned from a FREEDOM OF INFORMATION request.

Thank you, Mr. Chris Harris!
Fred

Prestonsburg, KY

#4 Mar 8, 2013
Who was plannin on gettin FAT on this deal?
Where is new Coaltown at

Winchester, KY

#5 Mar 8, 2013
Tomorrow's column really sheds light on this! Funny how a magistrate questions the very deal they approved.....seems to me that I question my vote for them now....it's the people's mistake for those in those positions.
Dave

Jackson, KY

#6 Mar 9, 2013
Where is new Coaltown at wrote:
Tomorrow's column really sheds light on this! Funny how a magistrate questions the very deal they approved.....seems to me that I question my vote for them now....it's the people's mistake for those in those positions.
Aside from the ANE report please show me where the fisical court approved this. Its not in the minutes of any meeting.

Just because the ANE/Frank says so its not so.

I will stand aside and wait to be corrected.
Where is new Coaltown at

Winchester, KY

#7 Mar 9, 2013
Instead of standing aside, seems the county does that well, ask your magistrate and see.
Sorry your wrong

Pikeville, KY

#8 Mar 9, 2013
Where is new Coaltown at wrote:
Instead of standing aside, seems the county does that well, ask your magistrate and see.
Fscal Court had nothing to do with it. Grow a set and ask the tough questions like the Magistrates!
islandcreeker

Phelps, KY

#9 Mar 10, 2013
I sold my property for the purpose of buildind an airport. Not to make a bunch of crooks rich. Anyone who sold property to the airport board should get an attorney and check the legality of them selling the property for a purpose of anything other than an airport. A trip to the deed room is in order...
Sour Grapes

Richmond, KY

#10 Mar 10, 2013
The city is smarter, snooker ol Wayne at every turn, picked the expo up for nothing and will do well with it after they get rid of the current managment in a few years.
Ya can't make a deal then welch on it, code of the hills! If you burn yourself a blister you just sit on it. The city is just better at managing projects once they pick them up for bottom dollar price, county can't do nothing with that property. They should not have bought into that new city controlled Airport Board and sell stuff cheap then cry over it, makes them look like fools.
bob

Richmond, KY

#11 Mar 10, 2013
THE property is a reclaimed mine site no water lines no sewer no power no roads it is going to take a lot of money by the city or county gov. to get the project off the ground. I hope when the next election comes up we can get some some men or women in office that can make things happen not like our current officals who have did a poor job
Dave

Prestonsburg, KY

#12 Mar 10, 2013
Sour Grapes wrote:
The city is smarter, snooker ol Wayne at every turn, picked the expo up for nothing and will do well with it after they get rid of the current managment in a few years.
Ya can't make a deal then welch on it, code of the hills! If you burn yourself a blister you just sit on it. The city is just better at managing projects once they pick them up for bottom dollar price, county can't do nothing with that property. They should not have bought into that new city controlled Airport Board and sell stuff cheap then cry over it, makes them look like fools.
This is not about who snookered or who got a blister. Its about the taxpayer being wronged and fortunatly there are some that hope to correct this situation. Before you comment as you have I suggest you look into all the documents that were obtained through the Freedom Act.
Sorry your wrong

Pikeville, KY

#13 Mar 10, 2013
Sour Grapes wrote:
The city is smarter, snooker ol Wayne at every turn, picked the expo up for nothing and will do well with it after they get rid of the current managment in a few years.
Ya can't make a deal then welch on it, code of the hills! If you burn yourself a blister you just sit on it. The city is just better at managing projects once they pick them up for bottom dollar price, county can't do nothing with that property. They should not have bought into that new city controlled Airport Board and sell stuff cheap then cry over it, makes them look like fools.
Luckily there are laws in place that govern these types of activities.
Sick of Little frankie

Charleston, WV

#14 Mar 10, 2013
Dave wrote:
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This is not about who snookered or who got a blister. Its about the taxpayer being wronged and fortunatly there are some that hope to correct this situation. Before you comment as you have I suggest you look into all the documents that were obtained through the Freedom Act.
Part of what the other guy said should be considered. It's true that Windmill wayne approved of Little frankie replacing Mr. DeBourbon on the airport board. Then Little frankie continued to 'stack' the board to suit his needs while Windmill sat idly by and let it all happen. By the time Rutherford came out of his semi-comatose state, Little frankie had made a fool of him again.

Little frankie's 'new' board was in place and no one I have talked to questions their intended purpose from day one. The airport was obviously the LAST thing on the little minds of these incompetent political hacks and they 'raped' the airport as a favor of some kind to Little frankie.

Now we know some on the Fiscal Court have fought against this all along but Rutherford held the power to approve Little frankie's appointment of subserviant cronies (he vehemently denied it at the time).

I have contempt for Rutherford for being a spineless old dinosaur and I blame half of the magistrates for sucking up to him at that time. The three Magistrates who always sit to Rutherford's right hand in court meetings have seldom shown an ability to think beyond what he tells them.

Lies, lies, and more lies from our elected officials and now it seems it was all a blatant lie to begin with about affordable housing on Merion's Branch.
Think About It

Pikeville, KY

#15 Mar 10, 2013
The Marions Branch property was owned and overseen by the Pikeville/Pike County airboard. That board is suppose to oversee the airport operations, improvements, and its assets. And fortunatly by and through the old board the airport amassed several million dollars by and through the mining of Marions Branch.

That is money that assures that the airport does not have to lean on the city or county for support. But don't hold your breath on that note because with this new board at the airport it appears that they are spending money like drunken sailors in a brothel in my opinion.

Thus one must ask why a board such as the old one was replaced. A board that through tireless efforts and regular monthly attended meetings managed to generate several million dollars. Was it the fact that the old board would not just roll over to the city and provide them with the money and or the Merions Branch Property? The record shows that the old board was favorable to the sell of Marions Branch. Just not for the chump change suggested.

It seems the money and the spread of dirt on Marions Branch will be the downfall of our airport. Because without the money and land the politicians would not even be concerned with it. None of these big shot players in this deal ever seemed to care about the airport unless they were boarding their private plane enroute to another airport to buy fuel. Yes it appears that some of our beloved politicians and fat cats choose to support other airports when it comes to fuel and storage. So much for supporting local business.

For those of you that think the airport is just for the rich and wealthy I ask you to take a day and visit. Many of the small airplanes are owned by private citizens that work 40 hours a week. People that sacrifice many things just to enjoy the freedom of flight. People that have airplanes that cost less than the car you drive to work. People that take joy in giving a flight to a bystander in the parking lot just hoping to see a plane take off or land. People that will sit down with you and tell you about their love of flying and how you can also realize your dream of flying.

This is the airport I love, at least the airport I once knew. Long before this new wave of city controllers and puppeteers siezed it. Lawyers and engineers hanging around with their hand always out along with those just there to report to the city what is going on. Yes the city has a guy there just to report to them the doings. Naturally he is also a lawyer. I wonde who is paying for his time?

So when the money is wasted and the land is gone our little airport will then be in need of your tax dollars to keep it open. Then is when the politicians will exit along with the lawyers and engineers that sucked the life out of it.
pam

Stanton, KY

#16 Mar 10, 2013
people this is old strip job, when you drive up to it you drive across a old coal refuge fill. This project is going to take millions of state an federal bucks to every work. with all the under ground mining in that area I am not sure if it is a very good site to build any thing on.
Think About It

Pikeville, KY

#17 Mar 10, 2013
pam wrote:
people this is old strip job, when you drive up to it you drive across a old coal refuge fill. This project is going to take millions of state an federal bucks to every work. with all the under ground mining in that area I am not sure if it is a very good site to build any thing on.
Rest assured that if the city paid for it they know its value. Esprcially its value in relation to building a golf courde and country club..

This would be a non issue if the property would have been purchased for its arrraised valve. Appraised value not "as is" value. And that is exactly what the old board sought. The air board has a duty to serve the airport. Selling Merions Branch short serves who? Its not a matter of Wayne approving or Frankie suggesting or Vanderbecks propaganda. Its a matter that the board allowed our property to be sold for an ammount far less than its worth. The city knew that with the Dixon Nunnery apprasial. Seems the Dixon Nunnery company is just fine with the city on many many many other situations that they use them for. But in my opinion the city wanted this land given to them. Mr Debourbon refused and shortly thereafter he was dismissed.

For me this is not about politics. Its about what is right. In December the county was set to appoint the former Chairman of the airport board Mike Debourbon as a replacement for Jack Sykes. Sykes had tendered his resignation as a result of his heath. Shortly after Frankie got wind of this Jack Sykes ask to have his resignation recinded. Why I ask. You should also ask why.

Mr. Debourbon and all the other old board would still be serving but for several million dollars and some dirt on Merions Branch in my opinion.
cheese head

Stanton, KY

#18 Mar 10, 2013
IT is going to be hard to get the funding for a project this size the city will have to take all the risk hopeing that the market is there for the homes. The airport board has got there money from the mining the land is not worth much as is sounds to me that the tax payers in the city limints are the ones that will be on the hook if things do not go as planed. THE county gov. will not be out 1 cent.
Think About It

Clay City, KY

#19 Mar 10, 2013
cheese head wrote:
IT is going to be hard to get the funding for a project this size the city will have to take all the risk hopeing that the market is there for the homes. The airport board has got there money from the mining the land is not worth much as is sounds to me that the tax payers in the city limints are the ones that will be on the hook if things do not go as planed. THE county gov. will not be out 1 cent.
And that gives the city the right to get the property using a low apprasial? Seems the seller should have the right to make the price. But with the new board the buyer appears to have made the price in my opinion.

The buyer always has the risk of the deal flourishing or flopping. Thats not the issue here. The issue in my opinion is that the city stacked a board to facilitate their desire to obtain Merions Branch at their price. A price that was not in the best interest of the airport..

This is the same board that spent somewhere around 800,000.00 dollars to build a third row of hangars at the airport. The first two where built during the old boards term at around 30-50,000.00 using federal matching funds. Now the new board row of hangers were paid for in whole with money our of the savings account. And will someone please ask how many NEW renters we gained in the spending of this 800,00.00 (yes eight hundred thousand dollas). I can tell you one was the new airport chairmans plane.

Now this is just some of the things I feel that is important. Important because I am a pilot and wonder how soon it will be before I fly into the airport only to see a rope across the threshold stating CLOSED WE ARE BROKE.
Think About It

Clay City, KY

#20 Mar 10, 2013
Oh you ask what is the big deal about the chairman having a hangar?

In my opinion there was no need to build the hangar in such a hurry. Wait for the federal money and keep our 800K.

There were hangars available in the existing rows I feel. Especially if you hold all renters to the law of airplane ownership.

So in the end the chairman and the senator got fresh new hangers side by side. I think it speaks volumes about a person if hes the captain of a ship and he is the first one in the life boat. A 800K lifeboat.

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