Russia Invades Ukraine
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Putins Pal

Richmond, KY

#1 Mar 2, 2014
Do we care? Is this worth the U.S. getting involved in? Let Europe handle this one, it is of no great importance to us? Get involved and waste billions after we are just getting out of 2 expensive wars we lost.
huh

Thelma, KY

#2 Mar 2, 2014
Putins Pal wrote:
Do we care? Is this worth the U.S. getting involved in? Let Europe handle this one, it is of no great importance to us? Get involved and waste billions after we are just getting out of 2 expensive wars we lost.
But will other European countries step up and help Ukraine? They should. It could be them next.
Fox News Is A Joke

Kansas City, MO

#3 Mar 2, 2014
Putin basically told Obama Fk you.Obamas such a puss.
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War Weary

Richmond, KY

#4 Mar 2, 2014
Well Russia just pulled this in Georgia and it did not even raise and eyebrow! Putin knows that Obama is weak and can do pretty much what he pleases. Obama keeps drawing lines in the sand and threatens but never does anything. Putin knows Obama won't do anything about Ukraine, just as he did nothing with Syria even when they used chemical weapons.
Grow Conservatism

Karnack, TX

#5 Mar 2, 2014
War Weary wrote:
Well Russia just pulled this in Georgia and it did not even raise and eyebrow! Putin knows that Obama is weak and can do pretty much what he pleases. Obama keeps drawing lines in the sand and threatens but never does anything. Putin knows Obama won't do anything about Ukraine, just as he did nothing with Syria even when they used chemical weapons.
It appears no one outside the USA takes Obama seriously.

His supporters inside the USA are beginning to see the light, his credibility is way down at this point.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#6 Mar 2, 2014
The U.S.A. is not going to bother russia,. lol.. we do the same thing as them, and whats more hairy is we do it overseas.. we have no right telling the russians what to do.. get over it.
Obama Is A Puss E

Romania

#7 Mar 2, 2014
JFK drew his line in the sand and back the reds up.Obama drew his line in the sand,pi$$ed his pants and started crying.What a puss.
The Way It Is

Mount Sterling, KY

#8 Mar 2, 2014
Grow Conservatism wrote:
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It appears no one outside the USA takes Obama seriously.
His supporters inside the USA are beginning to see the light, his credibility is way down at this point.
Mr. Obama Should Not Write Checks He Can't Cash. Know What I Mean?
Hands Off

Richmond, KY

#9 Mar 2, 2014
Russia has the Ukraine and Europe in a bind, they supply Ukraine and Europe's natural gas. The main line going into Europe goes right through the middle of the Ukraine. All Putin has to do is turn off the valve. They will have to give the Crimea region back to Russia where the people of that region want to be.

Ukraine is broke and owes Russia millions for gas, all we are going to end up doing is writing checks for Ukraine to pay their gas bill.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#10 Mar 3, 2014
Here's some explanation about Ukraine. Eastern and southern Ukraine is populated with Russian speakers being descendants of those Russians who were transplanted there after Stalin deported millions of Ukras to Siberia.
Northern and Western Ukraine is populated with Ukrainian speaking Ukras with a smattering of Polish and Lithuanian speakers.
Ukraine will eventually split into two countries, the one friendly to and allied with Moscow, the other friendly to and allied with EU.
Crimea was given to UkraineSSR under the old Soviet system by the Ukrianian Nikita Khruschev. It's Russian territory.
Not our Problem

Richmond, KY

#11 Mar 3, 2014
dunadd wrote:
Here's some explanation about Ukraine. Eastern and southern Ukraine is populated with Russian speakers being descendants of those Russians who were transplanted there after Stalin deported millions of Ukras to Siberia.
Northern and Western Ukraine is populated with Ukrainian speaking Ukras with a smattering of Polish and Lithuanian speakers.
Ukraine will eventually split into two countries, the one friendly to and allied with Moscow, the other friendly to and allied with EU.
Crimea was given to UkraineSSR under the old Soviet system by the Ukrianian Nikita Khruschev. It's Russian territory.
It was stupid to give Crimea to Ukraine when that s where your only warm water ports and naval base is. In this case Russia is gonna be an Indian Giver and take it back. With Ukraine warming up to Europe and NATO it sealed this deal. No way Putin is going to let Ukraine or at least Crimea fall under NATO in Russia's back yard. We don't have any skin in this game, the U.S. should stay the hell out of this. It will cost us billions arming Ukraine but that is what Wall Street and our industrial military complex wants, arms sales. Thing is Ukraine is broke and we will have to lend them the money to buy the arms with.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#12 Mar 3, 2014
I don't see it exactly that way. I don't think it was stupid.
At the time of the giving of Crimea to Ukraine, Ukraine was still a part of USSR, UkraineSSR. Even of the scenario of USSR breaking apart, the Russian Naval Base at Sevastopol and the fact ca 60 percent of Crimean population is Russian, to me it seems more smart than stupid.
Eastern peoples such as Russians, Persians, Assyrians and others see things differently than Westerners in general and Americans in particular. This is the reason for the economic alliance threesome, Russia, Azerbaijan and Belarus.
Looking at it from Russia's point of view. Moscow wants as many countries between Berlin and Moscow as possible. twice in the past century Berlin has attacked Russia with beaucoup loss of life.
It is to Russia's advantage when Ukraine splits, putting three countries between her and the Germans. On top of that, it makes for more trading partners for the Muscovites.
There is a lot more to it but that is basically the two most important parts.
PS it was not Russians who flew the 3 planes on 9/11.
Historian

Paducah, KY

#16 Mar 3, 2014
War Weary wrote:
Well Russia just pulled this in Georgia and it did not even raise and eyebrow! Putin knows that Obama is weak and can do pretty much what he pleases. Obama keeps drawing lines in the sand and threatens but never does anything. Putin knows Obama won't do anything about Ukraine, just as he did nothing with Syria even when they used chemical weapons.
The Cold War ended in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Along with the end of the USSR came an end to the world order that had existed since 1945. A great many Americans can't seem to grasp that fact. Americans also tend to judge the actions like those of Russia in Georgia and Ukraine against the yardstick of Hitler's aggression and the British-French policy of appeasement in the 1930s. That too is a false paradigm.

The situation in the world today is more like what existed in the 99 years from the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 until the start of the First World War in 1914. In that time it was understood that the Great Powers (Russia, Austria, Britain, France, and Prussia) would, and had a right to, intervene in the small states that bordered them in the event of civil disturbances or revolution. A Great Power also had the right to intervene when people who were ethnically the same as those of the Great Power were in danger or their interests were threatened. That is what is happening now in Ukraine. The Russians are intervening just as they and the Austrians intervened to suppress revolution in Hungary in 1848.

And this too. Ukraine was an integral part of Russia for more than a thousand years before 1991. Ukrainians were, and were proud to be, subjects of the Russian Tsar. The first Russian state was in fact mostly in Ukraine, with Kiev as its capital city. At least a third of Ukrainians are ethnically Russians. The Ukrainian independence movement is historically very recent. It dates only to 1917, when the Ukrainians took the anti-Bolshevik side in the Russian Civil War. Stalin's collectivization of agriculture and purges further alienated the Ukrainians. Many Ukrainians did not want to sever the relationship with Russia in 1991. Those same people now want to rejoin Russia.

Bottom line: The USA should not interfere in Ukraine. Doing so would set a very bad historical precedent for yourselves. For example, suppose that Hispanics become the majority in Texas and decide that they want to secede and join Mexico. The USA telling the Russians that they cannot intervene in Ukraine on behalf of the Russian Ukrainians would be the same thing as Russia or any other foreign power telling the USA that we could not intervene in Texas on behalf of Anglo-Texans.
neutral

Ransom, KY

#17 Mar 3, 2014
obama is a wuss and putin knows it so putin has a lot of room to push hard to get whatever it is he wants but I'm glad bush aint in office. that moron would have us in ww3 already his cowboy macho shit talking junk. putin might not do too much due to his desire to have a good guy image. putin is a thug/ ex kgb pro sovie union but he wants to appear good so who knows what will come of this. obama will give him warning. this is the next to last next to last next to next to last warning you get putin or else! DON'T ME MAKE COUNT TO 10 1, one and half. one and 3 quarters. 2, two and a half... he's a joke. obma supporters are worse than that mindless cult that followed jim jones to their own demise.
neutral

Ransom, KY

#18 Mar 3, 2014
don't want to hate on my own country but our leaders from both parties pick fights with backwater countries with oil to steal. we won't dare mess with russia. obama has done nothing but suck russia's ass and got nothing from it since day one. he's a joke. hope and change turned out to be HYPE. the only folks that need to fear obama are babies that are till in the womb. he'd move heaven and earth to help abort a baby to impress the pro aborts that voted for him. other than that he's a total wimp. he's THE gay marraige pro abortion president. that's his legacy.
Might Makes Right

Richmond, KY

#19 Mar 3, 2014
He who has the might has the right, OK so what Putin did was against international law. Question is now, who is going to arrest him? The Tartars will start a gorilla type war insurrection, then the radical Muslim groups from all over will come in and fight the Russians as they did in Afghanistan. We will give them money and arms to do it, it will be a long protracted bloodbath is Russia does not pull out. Upside is we may get the Muslim terrorist off our backs for awhile.
Historian

Paducah, KY

#20 Mar 3, 2014
Might Makes Right wrote:
He who has the might has the right, OK so what Putin did was against international law. Question is now, who is going to arrest him? The Tartars will start a gorilla type war insurrection, then the radical Muslim groups from all over will come in and fight the Russians as they did in Afghanistan. We will give them money and arms to do it, it will be a long protracted bloodbath is Russia does not pull out. Upside is we may get the Muslim terrorist off our backs for awhile.
There are two chances of what you predict happening: Slim and none.

For one thing, Ukraine is not one of the Muslim republics of the former USSR. The majority of its people are nominally Eastern Orthodox Christians, just like the Russians. Those in the western part of the country are mostly nominally Roman Catholics, the same as the Poles, to who they have a cultural and linguistic likeness. The Tatars are a very small minority. They would last about as long as a snowball in Hell against the Russians and other Ukrainians.

Oh! The word is guerrilla, not "gorilla."
Holler Taliban

Richmond, KY

#21 Mar 3, 2014
Historian wrote:
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There are two chances of what you predict happening: Slim and none.
For one thing, Ukraine is not one of the Muslim republics of the former USSR. The majority of its people are nominally Eastern Orthodox Christians, just like the Russians. Those in the western part of the country are mostly nominally Roman Catholics, the same as the Poles, to who they have a cultural and linguistic likeness. The Tatars are a very small minority. They would last about as long as a snowball in Hell against the Russians and other Ukrainians.
Oh! The word is guerrilla, not "gorilla."
The Tartars are 10%of the population and all the Muslims that are from the Ex Soviet Union that are fighting Russia now will come after them in Crimea. What was all the security about and fear during the Olympics, Muslim terrorist, Muslim terrorist from countries in that same area. It is not like they have to travel far, plus they will come in from all over the world as they did in Afghanistan. Most majorities are not where insurgencies come form it will come from the alienated minority and the Tartars have already said they will fight if Russia invades. Just taking them at their word and if memory serves Muslims hate Russians as much as they do us.
If the towel heads get involved the term is gorilla not guerrilla as most of the rag heads are frikkin animals. They kicked Russia's ass once, they can do it again! They left Afghanistan with their tail between their legs.
tmc

Versailles, KY

#22 Mar 3, 2014
neutral wrote:
don't want to hate on my own country but our leaders from both parties pick fights with backwater countries with oil to steal. we won't dare mess with russia. obama has done nothing but suck russia's ass and got nothing from it since day one. he's a joke. hope and change turned out to be HYPE. the only folks that need to fear obama are babies that are till in the womb. he'd move heaven and earth to help abort a baby to impress the pro aborts that voted for him. other than that he's a total wimp. he's THE gay marraige pro abortion president. that's his legacy.
in the shape.this country is in.you better hope we don,t get to it with zimbobway south Africa.you an the rest of us would starve to death.
No Government

Ransom, KY

#23 Mar 4, 2014
Grow Conservatism wrote:
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It appears no one outside the USA takes Obama seriously.
His supporters inside the USA are beginning to see the light, his credibility is way down at this point.
I for one am glad to see the US pull back from policing the world.

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