Believe it or not, the United States ...

Believe it or not, the United States is not a Democracy.

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Mel

Frankfort, KY

#1 Mar 7, 2013
Sure, we vote in elections now, but the founding fathers never intended it to be that way, at least not for federal elections. The first presidents were chosen by represenatives from the states, not the citizens. This may sound unfair, but the federal government was very small and did not impact our daily lives like it does now. The states had more power. There was no need to vote in federal elections because the federal government really did not affect the average citizen.

This country is a Republic, not a Demcracy. The word Democracy is never used anywhere in the constitution. In the days of the founding fathers, a Demcracy was looked down upon. A Demoracy is a mob-ruled government. In a Democracy the majority of the people decide everything. Now, before you consider that a good way to run a country, consider this: Would you want the majority of people deciding how you live your life?

On the other hand, a Republic is a form of governemt where the people have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Sounds pretty good. Now, which would you rather have? A country where the majority decides how you live your life or a country where you can do whatever you want as long as you don't harm or infringe the rights of others. That's what the founding fathers thought. All people have rights and should be able to do what they want as long as they do no harm to others. Of course, the government if for the people by the people, but still, each person should decide for themselves how they should live their lives.

SWINE SLAYER

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#2 Mar 7, 2013
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Just imagine what a powerful nation America could be once again if we impeached the treasonous thug we now have in The White House and took The Pledge Of Allegiance to heart once again.

The USA's halcyon days of it's glorious yester-years shall never be again unfortunately...
Swine Layer Loves It

Elkhorn City, KY

#3 Mar 7, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Just imagine what a powerful nation America could be once again if we impeached the treasonous thug we now have in The White House and took The Pledge Of Allegiance to heart once again.
The USA's halcyon days of it's glorious yester-years shall never be again unfortunately...
No, we have too many perverts like you 2.
Uric

Versailles, KY

#4 Mar 7, 2013
In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.
Who gives a crap

Ransom, KY

#5 Mar 7, 2013
Get a life! Is this all you all do all day long? SAD!!!!!
Mel

Pineville, KY

#6 Mar 7, 2013
Uric wrote:
In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.
YOu said it better than me!
Mel

Pineville, KY

#7 Mar 7, 2013
Who gives a crap wrote:
Get a life! Is this all you all do all day long? SAD!!!!!
Well, the point is that most people in this country want to whine and cry about stuff and they want to vote on every little thing to get their way. But the founding fathers who crafted the Constitution never intended it to be that way. They believed that every person had indiviual rights--not what the majority wants. That is one of the major problems in this country. Everybody worries about what the other person is doing; how much money they are making; how they are raising their kids. The founding fathers never wanted the government to be involed in eduacation or how we raise our kids or what we eat or drink. The government was there to protect us and basically that was it. I think that is a very important thing. That is how our government should be.

I guess you don't care about that.
Mel

Pineville, KY

#8 Mar 7, 2013
SWINE SLAYER wrote:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Just imagine what a powerful nation America could be once again if we impeached the treasonous thug we now have in The White House and took The Pledge Of Allegiance to heart once again.
The USA's halcyon days of it's glorious yester-years shall never be again unfortunately...
Well said!
Soo True

Beattyville, KY

#9 Mar 7, 2013
We never should have become a democracy.democracy only serves the interests of the majority whether right or wrong.I remember getting in trouble in history class in high school for arguing that a democracy is worthless when it comes to a real representation of ALL citizens.I feel that just because the majority of people feel one way about a subject doesn't mean the rest of the people that oppose that belief should have to suffer just because they are a minority on that subject.If the majority of citizens want to jump off a bridge the rest of us who want to live shouldn't be forced to jump as well.That is the problem with democracy.Each individual should have the right to their own views and should be able to live their lives as they wish,not as the majority thinks they should live.You live your life and let me live mine.

SWINE SLAYER

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#10 Mar 7, 2013
Mel wrote:
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Well said!
Thank you and the same to you as well for the above commentaries. I think we're hitting upon the very fundamental differences between the intended origins of The United States and the very differing reality it has been detoured onto over the centuries. Being a Conservative Constitutionalist myself, I concede that all Americans have Rights as Individuals and I don't care what any consenting adult does as long as it doesn't harm anyone else or infringe on anyone else' Rights. Believe whatever you want, do whatever you want but afford me those very same luxuries and allowances..a live and let live philosophy so to speak. Unfortunately the Liberal sect do not view things in that same manner..they want THEIR Rights to trump everyone else' and place their emphasis upon FORCING their beliefs UPON everyone else one way or another, be it by majority or fascist enforcement either one and somehow they have misconstrued such a dangerous ideology as "democracy".
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#11 Mar 8, 2013
excellent Gentlemen, a most excellent meaningful discussion interspersed with expletives from the younguns but most excellent and informative. I took the occasion and liberty to copy posts 1, 2, 4, 7, 9 and 10 and i trust you gentlemen will not mind my using them for future references and sharing with others. I will give you gentlemen credit, not taking them as my own but they are exactly like my thoughts and beliefs. Again, thank you for the most pleasant discussion on republic and democracy. Good day!

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#12 Mar 8, 2013
Mel wrote:
Sure, we vote in elections now, but the founding fathers never intended it to be that way, at least not for federal elections. The first presidents were chosen by represenatives from the states, not the citizens. This may sound unfair, but the federal government was very small and did not impact our daily lives like it does now. The states had more power. There was no need to vote in federal elections because the federal government really did not affect the average citizen.
This country is a Republic, not a Demcracy. The word Democracy is never used anywhere in the constitution. In the days of the founding fathers, a Demcracy was looked down upon. A Demoracy is a mob-ruled government. In a Democracy the majority of the people decide everything. Now, before you consider that a good way to run a country, consider this: Would you want the majority of people deciding how you live your life?
On the other hand, a Republic is a form of governemt where the people have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Sounds pretty good. Now, which would you rather have? A country where the majority decides how you live your life or a country where you can do whatever you want as long as you don't harm or infringe the rights of others. That's what the founding fathers thought. All people have rights and should be able to do what they want as long as they do no harm to others. Of course, the government if for the people by the people, but still, each person should decide for themselves how they should live their lives.
. You're right and wrong. We are neither a republic, nor a democracy. We're in fact a democratic republic. It is Ian blend of both government styles. A straight democracy is Mob rules, but not so in a democratic republic. I would go in to more detail, but it's early, and I haven't had my coffee.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#13 Mar 8, 2013
democratic republic. kinda like an apple orange. both parts fruit. or an eleroo, elephant kangaroo. both animals. i'm on my 4th cup of coffee but spare me the details.
GOP

Capon Bridge, WV

#14 Mar 8, 2013
dunadd wrote:
excellent Gentlemen, a most excellent meaningful discussion interspersed with expletives from the younguns but most excellent and informative. I took the occasion and liberty to copy posts 1, 2, 4, 7, 9 and 10 and i trust you gentlemen will not mind my using them for future references and sharing with others. I will give you gentlemen credit, not taking them as my own but they are exactly like my thoughts and beliefs. Again, thank you for the most pleasant discussion on republic and democracy. Good day!
I fully agree.

It's a disgrace that what we have now is so far removed from what the founding Fathers intended and actually recorded as a Constitution.

This discussion has had my attention for longer than usual this morning because of its social importance and accuracy in delivery.

I also will copy a few of the posts to use, with proper credit given, in future discussions where I recognize I could not so accurately and intelligently 'get my point across'.

It's refreshing to be shown there are very intelligent individuals left, in this immitation and twisted Democracy, who take time to study such an important issue. I'll try to catch up.

Thank you my friends.
Mel

Frankfort, KY

#15 Mar 8, 2013
Bleeding Blue wrote:
<quoted text>. You're right and wrong. We are neither a republic, nor a democracy. We're in fact a democratic republic. It is Ian blend of both government styles. A straight democracy is Mob rules, but not so in a democratic republic. I would go in to more detail, but it's early, and I haven't had my coffee.
But you're missing the point of what I said and the others. Yes, we are practicing both forms of government now, but the point of what we are saying is that that was not the original intention of the founding fathers and the constitution. Was Washington elcted by the people or by the representative? He was elected by the representatives. If you read the constitution, it is based on individual rights, not group rights. Sure, as I stated earlier, the government is for the people by the people. But that does not mean that the mob rules. The constitution is about individual rights. What we are complaining about is the fact how the government is changing from a rebublican government to a democracy. It goes against what our founding fathers wanted and against the true nature of the constitution. Look at what's happening now. A group of people don't like assault weapons and they want to take it away from everyone dispite the fact that it will only hurt small businesses. That is democracy. In the constitution, it isn't about the majority, it is about the individual.

The government has brainwashed people into thinking that a democracy is a good thing. We'll it isn't working out so well is it?

SWINE SLAYER

“ALL PIGS MUST DIE”

Since: Jan 13

PULL MY PORK! ! !

#16 Mar 8, 2013
dunadd wrote:
excellent Gentlemen, a most excellent meaningful discussion interspersed with expletives from the younguns but most excellent and informative. I took the occasion and liberty to copy posts 1, 2, 4, 7, 9 and 10 and i trust you gentlemen will not mind my using them for future references and sharing with others. I will give you gentlemen credit, not taking them as my own but they are exactly like my thoughts and beliefs. Again, thank you for the most pleasant discussion on republic and democracy. Good day!
I have no problem with the recopy, friend because these facts and opinions both are very important to the core of what America was really meant to be and what it has actually become.
dunadd wrote:
democratic republic. kinda like an apple orange. both parts fruit. or an eleroo, elephant kangaroo. both animals. i'm on my 4th cup of coffee but spare me the details.
It's gives us great insight into how a Liberal's so-called "mind" supposedly "works". They're masters of blending the clear-cut lines of black and white and blurring truth and trying to distort reality to suit their ideologies. Meanwhile, the substance of Truth itself be damned.
GOP wrote:
<quoted text>I fully agree.
It's a disgrace that what we have now is so far removed from what the founding Fathers intended and actually recorded as a Constitution.
This discussion has had my attention for longer than usual this morning because of its social importance and accuracy in delivery.
I also will copy a few of the posts to use, with proper credit given, in future discussions where I recognize I could not so accurately and intelligently 'get my point across'.
It's refreshing to be shown there are very intelligent individuals left, in this immitation and twisted Democracy, who take time to study such an important issue. I'll try to catch up.
Thank you my friends.
Have at it, pal.

:-)

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#18 Mar 8, 2013
Mel wrote:
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But you're missing the point of what I said and the others. Yes, we are practicing both forms of government now, but the point of what we are saying is that that was not the original intention of the founding fathers and the constitution. Was Washington elcted by the people or by the representative? He was elected by the representatives. If you read the constitution, it is based on individual rights, not group rights. Sure, as I stated earlier, the government is for the people by the people. But that does not mean that the mob rules. The constitution is about individual rights. What we are complaining about is the fact how the government is changing from a rebublican government to a democracy. It goes against what our founding fathers wanted and against the true nature of the constitution. Look at what's happening now. A group of people don't like assault weapons and they want to take it away from everyone dispite the fact that it will only hurt small businesses. That is democracy. In the constitution, it isn't about the majority, it is about the individual.
The government has brainwashed people into thinking that a democracy is a good thing. We'll it isn't working out so well is it?
I'm not missing you point at all. Just pointing out to you, we're not a straight democracy, just we're no longer a pure Republic.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#19 Mar 8, 2013
UASR, Union of American Socialist Republics.
Mel

Pineville, KY

#20 Mar 8, 2013
Bleeding Blue wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not missing you point at all. Just pointing out to you, we're not a straight democracy, just we're no longer a pure Republic.
We might be now, but not originally. The founding fathers did not even want us to vote for president or congress. The constitution does not even guarantee the right to vote in a federal election. Reread the 15th amendment. If we were even a little bit of a democracy then why did does the constitution not uphold the right to vote? You won't find the word democracy anywhere in the constitution. Why don't you think it isn't mentioned? Because we are not a democracy? The problem is that people now use the term democracy and republic as if it means the same thing. But originally, the two words meant two completely different forms of government. I challenge you to look at the original constitution and show me any evidence that the founding fathers ever intended our government to be, even partly, a democracy.
Swine sucker

Ransom, KY

#21 Mar 8, 2013
Yea Darth Vader loves the republic!

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