Should We Get Involved in Iraq Again
My 2 cents

North Richland Hills, TX

#148 Jul 2, 2014
Dancing with the Devil wrote:
Israel has warned the U.S. about siding with Iran. We will end up allowing their nuclear ambitions and giving them credibility in the region. We should be trying to weaken both sides not supporting the Iranian terrorist.
Trust me we are sabotaging Iran's centrifuges anytime we get. Their Centrifuges use programmable logic controllers. June 2010 Stuxnet virus was installed. It worked by modifying the rungs in the ladder logic programming giving unexpected commands to the Programmable Logic Controller while returning a loop of normal operations system values feedback to the users. It is speculated that Stuxnet was created by United States and Israeli agencies to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. It is initially spread using infected removable drives such as USB flash drives. How do you think an infected flash drive got physically installed on a close loop system?
Historian

Cadiz, KY

#149 Jul 2, 2014
Dancing with the Devil wrote:
Israel has warned the U.S. about siding with Iran. We will end up allowing their nuclear ambitions and giving them credibility in the region. We should be trying to weaken both sides not supporting the Iranian terrorist.
I don't really give a damn what Israel wants. Israel's leaders have been trying to give orders to the U.S. for over 65 years -- and far too many Americans are prepared to let them do it.

You want an interesting read, go to the Eisenhower library in Abilene, Kansas, are read the papers about his meeting with David Ben Gurion after the Suez Crisis in 1956. If I had been Ike I would have been sorely tempted to pull my M1911 .45 ACP out of the desk drawer and shoot the son of a bitch right there in the Oval office.

At the very least I would have grabbed him by the neck and the seat of the pants and thrown his lying, obnoxious ass out of the White House.
Yellow Terrorist

Pikeville, KY

#150 Jul 3, 2014
Well it seems the views of an anti-Semite won't make a large amout of difference on the battlefield in Iraq. The brave Iraq army on the border with Saudi Arabia just withdrew back into the desert to a safe location where they won't have to fight. Saudi Arabia just put 30,000 troops on the border positions the Iraqi army just fled.
We will make a bid mistake supporting shite terrorist that won't stand and fight, if they can't plant IED's or talk a few nuts into suicide bombing they are worthless in the field.
There weapons are prized all over the middle east, never been fired and only dropped once.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#151 Jul 3, 2014
Yes Historian, that would have made for some wonderful headlines.
Ike throw a leader of another country out of the oval office and off white house grounds. Or Ike shot the leader of another country.
The problem was Ike was no schicklgruber nor Dzugashvili. He was a REAL American.
Historian, your JEW hatred is showing. Do you hate some Jews, Most Jews or all Jews? Does your Jew hatred include Jew Jesus Christos? aka Yeshua Mashiach.
Except for your post 149, you brought out some good points to be considered as did the gentleman with the Richmond KY isp.
Have a Jew hating day, Historian!!!
BCB

Richmond, KY

#152 Jul 3, 2014
Historian wrote:
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I don't really give a damn what Israel wants. Israel's leaders have been trying to give orders to the U.S. for over 65 years -- and far too many Americans are prepared to let them do it.
You want an interesting read, go to the Eisenhower library in Abilene, Kansas, are read the papers about his meeting with David Ben Gurion after the Suez Crisis in 1956. If I had been Ike I would have been sorely tempted to pull my M1911 .45 ACP out of the desk drawer and shoot the son of a bitch right there in the Oval office.
At the very least I would have grabbed him by the neck and the seat of the pants and thrown his lying, obnoxious ass out of the White House.
please please please.don,t Histroy man.you are scarying.us way too much.
Historian

Cadiz, KY

#153 Jul 3, 2014
Anti-Semitism and opposition to Israel's aggressive Zionist policies and its insidious influence in the U.S. are two different things. Israel and its lackeys in the United States would like Americans to believe that they are the same, but they are not.

I am not an anti-Semite. I do despise Zionism. I oppose Zionist extremists and I do not hesitate to expose them for what they are -- a bunch of zealots who believe in a Jewish version of the Nazis "Master Race" ideology. That element is becoming more and more prominent and powerful in Israel, much to the dismay of moderate Israelis.

Mark my words, if the U.S. does not break Israel's hold on the U.S. and on American Christians, Israel could very well end up being to us what Serbia was to Tsarist Russia.
Historian

Cadiz, KY

#154 Jul 3, 2014
Alfred M. Lilienthal, an American, a Jew, a scholar, and a man of strong moral conscience wrote in his 1978 book The Zionist Connection,“The holocaust is the weapon that hovers behind the cover-up [of Israeli misdeeds] and supplies the principal prop of the cover-up. When all else fails, the six million Jews killed during the Nazi holocaust remain the ultimate silencer. These six million are quite literally pulled from the ovens, propped up, and pushed forward to confront any who might raise the slightest question or smallest voice of dissent. Even the mere threat of this silences most people.… Hitler made reluctant Zionists out of many guilt-ridden Christians.… There has been an almost continuing conspiracy, fostered by an unholy alliance between the media and the Zionists, to keep us all in the era of 1940-45. Since there can be only one side to any issue where the alternative would be Hitler, the aim of the game is to keep Hitler and his gang alive…pinching the Christian conscience lest the already growing number of those disenchanted with Israel further increase.”

Lilienthal was well aware of Zionism's dark side. He was also afraid that its ongoing manipulation of the United States would eventually draw the U.S. into a situation that would prove to be a disaster for the U.S. That, he feared, would lead to a backlash by American Christians that would turn into true anti-Semitism against all Jews, not just a political reaction against Israel and Zionism.
Dancing with the Devil

Pikeville, KY

#155 Jul 3, 2014
You side with Iranian puppet shite's and are an anti-Semitic, you have lost all credibility. We should not be backing the shite faction in Iraq and should pull all our people out of Iraq now. Sectarian religious fanatic war between a backward 7th century minded bunch of camel jockey's. Maliki did not give us a status of Forces agreement, he fired all the Sunni commanders after we spent billions training that army, he never tried to include and has worked hard to exclude the Sunni population from his government. His all Shite majority is the will of his owner the Iranian shite terrorist state. This is the truth, you can't deny it, even the liberal CNN is reporting what the Maliki government is all about. We fought 10 years, lost thousand of lives and spent billions on this. GET OUT NOW!
The American people won't buy into this again, especially once they find out we are supporting the Iranian backed faction that are responsible for about all our combat deaths over there in Iraq.
Historian

Cadiz, KY

#156 Jul 3, 2014
Dancing with the Devil wrote:
You side with Iranian puppet shite's and are an anti-Semitic, you have lost all credibility. We should not be backing the shite faction in Iraq and should pull all our people out of Iraq now. Sectarian religious fanatic war between a backward 7th century minded bunch of camel jockey's. Maliki did not give us a status of Forces agreement, he fired all the Sunni commanders after we spent billions training that army, he never tried to include and has worked hard to exclude the Sunni population from his government. His all Shite majority is the will of his owner the Iranian shite terrorist state. This is the truth, you can't deny it, even the liberal CNN is reporting what the Maliki government is all about. We fought 10 years, lost thousand of lives and spent billions on this. GET OUT NOW!
The American people won't buy into this again, especially once they find out we are supporting the Iranian backed faction that are responsible for about all our combat deaths over there in Iraq.
Frankly I don't give the brown circle around a Jerusalem sewer rat's ass what you think of my credibility.

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/userc...

With all the sincerity that a Southerner can manage.
Historian

Cadiz, KY

#157 Jul 3, 2014
Fact of the matter:

"Most Sunni insurgents make use of neighboring Syria as an operational safe haven... Although the [Sunni] insurgents lack a unified structure, the are responsible for the vast majority of bombings in Iraq, as well as most attacks on U.S. military personnel. Most infamously, they have planted an untold number of roadside bombs...which have inflicted the most casualties on, and severely hampered the mobility of, the U.S. military in Iraq."

-- Nathan Gonzalez, The Sunni-Shia Conflict: Understanding Sectarian Violence in the Middle East (Nortia Press, 2009), page 128.

Those Sunni insurgents now have, or are in process of forming, a unified structure. It is ISIS, or the "Islamic State" as ISIS calls itself. That organization's self-appointed "caliph" has announced that after Iraq his next objective is Saudi Arabia. If ISIS gets control of both Iraq and Saudi Arabia, it will control about a third of all the world's oil reserves.

As for cooperation with Iran against ISIS, it comes down to a matter similar to the one that Britain and the U.S. were in during World War 2 when they allied with Stalin's Soviet Union against the common threat of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. As I recall, Sir Winston Churchill, as staunch an anti-communist as ever held high office in the West, remarked something to the effect, "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would form an alliance with the Devil."
Dancing with the Devil

Pikeville, KY

#158 Jul 3, 2014
An ISIS Islamic state would be a good thing even if they owned the Middle East Oil, we don't need that oil. That's Europe's problem we got our own now.
A state is easier to deal with than a terrorist organization, easy to hit and easy to take down. We do well when going against a State in open battlefield warfare "just ask Saddam". It is just when we get sucked into low intensity gorilla warfare that we get bogged down. We took Saddam down in three weeks. We could take the ISIS State down in about the same time frame in a declared war and with us serious about it. We are better off with whoever wins and a state than these splinter terrorist groups. Let them slug it out and then let the winner make up their mind if they want to take us on.

The Shite's are murdering terrorist that killed out troops, damn them to hell and the SOB that sides with them. We have no more business in that country, let the Iraqi leaders figure it out....
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#159 Jul 3, 2014
I am pleased you cleared up and brought attention to the fact you are antiZionist and not antiJew. At least the o Bamah is not a Truman in the respect of being a Zionist or not.
One thing at a time. Many Russians went to the aid of Serbian fellow Slavs in the 19th century. I don't see Tsarist Russia + Serbia=USA+Israel. Not there.
Obamah is leader of the present DC government and I don't see any muzzie including Sir baraq going to the aid of Israel. the Nation of Israel is on her own as far as having any one country side with her concerning anything and Bibi and the rest of the government knows and realises this.
Baraq o Bamah is closely tied with islamdom, not Israel nor Jews of any nationality.
Surely to Almighty God such a great Historian and scholar would know this about your government. What shame and disgrace is these Middle easterners causing the DC leader to choose between Sunni-Shia. They should not put this on one of their mohammedan brothers. Is your leader choosing Sunni, Shia, or both?
My 2 cents

North Richland Hills, TX

#160 Jul 4, 2014
The real story by BY ALI KHEDERY

Ali Khedery is chairman and chief executive of the Dubai-based Dragoman Partners. From 2003 to 2009, he was the longest continuously serving American official in Iraq, acting as a special assistant to five U.S. ambassadors and as a senior adviser to three heads of U.S. Central Command.

"In short, Maliki’s one-man, one-Dawa-party Iraq looks a lot like Hussein’s one-man, one-Baath Party Iraq. But at least Hussein helped contain a strategic American enemy: Iran. And Washington didn’t spend $1 trillion propping him up. There is not much “democracy” left if one man and one party with close links to Iran control the judiciary, police, army, intelligence services, oil revenue, treasury and the central bank. Under these circumstances, renewed ethno-sectarian civil war in Iraq was not a possibility. It was a certainty".

"The crisis now gripping Iraq and the Middle East was not only predictable but predicted — and preventable. By looking the other way and unconditionally supporting and arming Maliki, President Obama has only lengthened and expanded the conflict that President Bush unwisely initiated. Iraq is now a failed state, and as countries across the Middle East fracture along ethno-sectarian lines, America is likely to emerge as one of the biggest losers of the new Sunni-Shiite holy war, with allies collapsing and radicals plotting another 9/11".

link to story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-we...

This story is the best I have read.
Historian

Paducah, KY

#161 Jul 5, 2014
My 2 cents wrote:
The real story by BY ALI KHEDERY
Ali Khedery is chairman and chief executive of the Dubai-based Dragoman Partners. From 2003 to 2009, he was the longest continuously serving American official in Iraq, acting as a special assistant to five U.S. ambassadors and as a senior adviser to three heads of U.S. Central Command.
"In short, Maliki’s one-man, one-Dawa-party Iraq looks a lot like Hussein’s one-man, one-Baath Party Iraq. But at least Hussein helped contain a strategic American enemy: Iran. And Washington didn’t spend $1 trillion propping him up. There is not much “democracy” left if one man and one party with close links to Iran control the judiciary, police, army, intelligence services, oil revenue, treasury and the central bank. Under these circumstances, renewed ethno-sectarian civil war in Iraq was not a possibility. It was a certainty".
"The crisis now gripping Iraq and the Middle East was not only predictable but predicted — and preventable. By looking the other way and unconditionally supporting and arming Maliki, President Obama has only lengthened and expanded the conflict that President Bush unwisely initiated. Iraq is now a failed state, and as countries across the Middle East fracture along ethno-sectarian lines, America is likely to emerge as one of the biggest losers of the new Sunni-Shiite holy war, with allies collapsing and radicals plotting another 9/11".
link to story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-we...
This story is the best I have read.
Best story! What a misnomer.

That story is nothing but a "protect my own ass" statement by the man most responsible for the U.S. backing Maliki's rise to power in the first place.
War

Pikeville, KY

#162 Jul 5, 2014
What is it good for? Bush and company wanted to attack Iraq even before he got to be president, from day one it was Dick Cheney and the Industrial Military Complex intent to attack Iraq and was looking for any reason "even it they had to make one up" which they did. That war was based on a lie and the lies still flourish. Ike warned about the undue influence of the Industrial Military Complex, Iraq was a prime example of not heeding that warning. Every Hellfire Missile that is fired has to be replaced, the equipment lost will have to be replaced, the ammo expended, the uniforms, the planes, helicopters and tools of war will have to be replaced or new ones sold.
The tangled no win mess we are engaged in was predicted, it was a no win situation from the beginning and in a religious fanatic based war there can be no winners for outsiders that get involved. Nothing to gain here, everything to lose if we pick the wrong side and there is no right side. This kind of war is a fools game and you know what they say "fools rush in". The legacy of the Bush/Cheney War will be haunting us for years. There is no way to make this bad a wrong right. We created ISIS and thousands of other terrorist in the middle east by our actions over the years. Every time you kill and Arab you create 20 other terrorist. If an invading force was in this country killing Americans we would all be terrorist, for every American that they killed 20 would rise up armed and ready to fight. The GD Wall Street and Military Corporate influence such as the Carlyle Group and Haliburton are destroying the country. Fox Fools just don't have the IQ or the common sense to see it.
My 2 cents

North Richland Hills, TX

#163 Jul 5, 2014
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>
Best story! What a misnomer. That story is nothing but a "protect my own ass" statement by the man most responsible for the U.S. backing Maliki's rise to power in the first place.


Yes, its the confession of the man most responsible for the U.S. backing Maliki's rise to power. But it is also the man who probably who understands the Iraq problem the most. I think he is correct. Maliki will never be a leader to promote unity. He watched his own family be murdered by the same group he is trying to exterminate. Who better to give a solution to the problem than one of the men who most understands the problem. If I were Obama I would be flying Ali Khedery to Washington and having a face to face discussion with him. I would also put him on a lie detector to verify his statements as being truthful. I think he has the key to the problem.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#164 Jul 5, 2014
so in your thinking the reason for all the muslim fighting in the middle east and probably worldwide is the United States. And that's your story and your sticking to it.
Problem with your flawed thinking is my ancestors have been fighting these things called muslims for nearly 1400 years, beginning with Charles Martel and his franks at Tours when they defeated these beings and pushed them back across the Pyrenees so the Iberians could mate with these things.
The US is NOT the cause of these dogs fighting over the carcasses in the middle east and neither is Russia, Turkey, China, India nor any other country or peoples. They are doing a what comes naturally. No one creates terrorists in the religion of terror. They are born terrorists and die terrorists. Have been doing this for 14 centuries.
Republicans Are Stupid

Shelbiana, KY

#165 Jul 5, 2014
dunadd wrote:
so in your thinking the reason for all the muslim fighting in the middle east and probably worldwide is the United States. And that's your story and your sticking to it.
Problem with your flawed thinking is my ancestors have been fighting these things called muslims for nearly 1400 years, beginning with Charles Martel and his franks at Tours when they defeated these beings and pushed them back across the Pyrenees so the Iberians could mate with these things.
The US is NOT the cause of these dogs fighting over the carcasses in the middle east and neither is Russia, Turkey, China, India nor any other country or peoples. They are doing a what comes naturally. No one creates terrorists in the religion of terror. They are born terrorists and die terrorists. Have been doing this for 14 centuries.
So when Bush bombed them to death that did not make them mad?
War

Pikeville, KY

#166 Jul 5, 2014
dunadd wrote:
so in your thinking the reason for all the muslim fighting in the middle east and probably worldwide is the United States. And that's your story and your sticking to it.
Problem with your flawed thinking is my ancestors have been fighting these things called muslims for nearly 1400 years, beginning with Charles Martel and his franks at Tours when they defeated these beings and pushed them back across the Pyrenees so the Iberians could mate with these things.
The US is NOT the cause of these dogs fighting over the carcasses in the middle east and neither is Russia, Turkey, China, India nor any other country or peoples. They are doing a what comes naturally. No one creates terrorists in the religion of terror. They are born terrorists and die terrorists. Have been doing this for 14 centuries.
"fighting these things called muslims for 1400 years" you idiot the Crusades are still a sore point with them and their favorite name for us when we invade over there is Crusader. A Nights Templar or a U.S. Marine it's the same to them and would be to us. An invader is an invader and when you invade and kill people you make them a little sore at you. Try staying out of the middle east and let them alone. If they ever become a threat we have the means to deal with them but until then it is not our job to police the world or make everybody just like us. We have sown the seeds of hatred all over the world, most of our so called allies are former enemies, the chickens will come home to Roost one Day and we will have reason enough to go to war.
Republicans Are Stupid

Shelbiana, KY

#167 Jul 5, 2014
War wrote:
<quoted text>
"fighting these things called muslims for 1400 years" you idiot the Crusades are still a sore point with them and their favorite name for us when we invade over there is Crusader. A Nights Templar or a U.S. Marine it's the same to them and would be to us. An invader is an invader and when you invade and kill people you make them a little sore at you. Try staying out of the middle east and let them alone. If they ever become a threat we have the means to deal with them but until then it is not our job to police the world or make everybody just like us. We have sown the seeds of hatred all over the world, most of our so called allies are former enemies, the chickens will come home to Roost one Day and we will have reason enough to go to war.
Pay no attention to that tard, he still thinks the Viet Namese are coming to get us.

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