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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 161301 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109870 Aug 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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1. I don't even know how to begin to get you out of that tar pit of thinking. Good luck with that.
2. I still don't see how God couldn't be perfect even if He had a Father. Jesus is perfect, though has a Father.
A father that has zero paternal offspring.
No one is perfect, and that goes for your Jesus also. The perfection is but a claim that has zero evidence of truth. Typical of myths.
Aaron

Louisville, KY

#109872 Aug 7, 2013
this is cool

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109874 Aug 7, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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"If you read the story of Noah in its proper context, as a piece of ancient literature..."
I have REPEATEDLY emphasized, that in my opinion, that is the ONLY way to read the book-most specifically and especially the dark age, barbaric sounding parts, "pre-Jesus" OT.
About on the level of as interesting in some parts as spiderman comics, excluding it's excellent applications in use when it comes to archeology and glimpses into world history, making it actually a little more real world worthy than make beleive Spider man comics...mostly because there's NO comparisons when it comes to make believe Spidey slinging spidey webs up a building, and oh say...The Temple Mount for example. NO comparison what-so-ever then..whole DIFFERENT category!!:-)
You mean ancient barbaric stuff like this?
25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple….. 33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#109875 Aug 7, 2013
Aaron wrote:
this is cool
Well stick around Aaron, it's about to become heated!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109876 Aug 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I've seen it happen several times. Not always though.
Of course Jesus does. That's one reason I'm on here.
I'm only speaking of the people that have completely made up their minds that they never want to be a part of the church again and they want no further contact with anyone associated with the church. Understand?
If there is some chance that a person may want to come back, they have my full attention and effort with whatever they need. But if they would rather I never darken their doorway again, if rather know so we can help them remove their records and I won't waste their time anymore, nor vice versa.
I'm not sure why you see this as a bad thing and are trying to turn this into: I'm a bad person somehow.
Isn't this exactly what you asked for?
Glad to see you actually answering the question asked.
I would want the books at the church to recognize I am no longer a member, but it has nothing to do with you guys knocking on my door wanting to talk to me.
Seems you automatically put the two together for some reason.

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#109877 Aug 7, 2013
treebeard wrote:
<quoted text>I will say one thing for you (okay, two). You are one dedicated and loyal individual. Those are wonderful qualities to have, I hope you learn to let go one day and see how many people out there you REALLY could help just by being yourself.
Why do you think this isn't me, and what makes you think I don't help people? If you don't mind me asking
american01

West Lafayette, IN

#109878 Aug 7, 2013
religious literacy wrote:
this could be a good thing for the state of Kentucky - there needs to be some structure around how people teach religion in our schools.
Structure should be taught at home, its not an educators responsibility to teach your kids or my kids the story of Jesus Christ. You want to talk structure lets teach or kids that its not OK to hold back a child a grade or two just so mommy and daddy can watch their ball player play a couple of more years in school. Lets worry about education so they can be successful in their lives, take them to church if you want that in their lives. Freedom of religion doesn't mean you can force your beliefs on other people. There are Christian and Catholic schools around. Separation of church and state, peace homies

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109879 Aug 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Did I say that? On the contrary, I am one of the very few on here that has said the Bible is not without error.
Read more closely please. You are way off here.
So then show us you really dispute some of the claims of the bible and denounce one or two of them?
Do you condone how god supposedly drowned all the humans and animals on the planet?
Do you condone Moses's actions of having three thousand men, women and children slain for worshiping a golden calf god?
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#109880 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Glad to see you actually answering the question asked.
I would want the books at the church to recognize I am no longer a member, but it has nothing to do with you guys knocking on my door wanting to talk to me.
Seems you automatically put the two together for some reason.
I thought only JW's knocked on peoples door, don't tell me others do to.
ugggh
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#109881 Aug 7, 2013
The last J W that knocked on my door got a rude awakening when my dog took a bite outa their backside. If they are not smart enough to obey the No Trespassing signs and Beware of Dog signs, they deserve exactly what they get!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#109882 Aug 7, 2013
Come to think of it... had I recorded that incident and posted it on U Tube, It would have gotten millions of hits. It was funny seeing this robust woman running/skipping , reading material flying in all directions, and diving head first into a van with the sliding door open awaiting her entry! lmao Needless to say, I've not had any more unexpected visits from the JW.

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#109883 Aug 7, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>Ever read anything on the Mahcabees? I tried mentioning it before, but you see how quickly the content level drops to one half a rung level above a ghetto gutter grate sometimes here sometimes.
There's just SO much to read on the subject matter, it's understandable how people can and do, spend a lifetime studying such!!

Sample-
The first of these reasons appears to be urged by Christ Himself in Matthew 22:23; the second reminds one of the words of St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 15:19, and 2 Thessalonians 1:4. Besides urging the foregoing arguments, the Fathers appeal also to certain analogies found in revelation and in nature itself, e.g. Jonas in the whale's belly, the three children in the fiery furnace, Daniel in the lions' den, the carrying away of Henoch and Elias, the raising of the dead, the blossoming of Aaron's rod, the preservation of the garments of the Israelites in the desert, the grain of seed dying and springing up again, the egg, the season of the year, the succession of day and night. Many pictures of early Christian art express these analogies.....

These three characteristics, identity, entirety, and immortality, will be common to the risen bodies of the just and the wicked. But the bodies of the saints shall be distinguished by four transcendent endowments, often called "Qualities".

The first is "impassibility", which shall place them beyond the reach of pain and inconvenience. "It is sown", says the Apostle, "in corruption, it shall rise in incorruption" (1 Corinthians 15:42). The Schoolmen call this quality impassibility', not incorruption, so as to mark it as a peculiarity of the glorified body; the bodies of the damned will be incorruptible indeed, but not impassible; they shall be subject to heat and cold, and all manner of pain.
The next quality is "brightness", or "glory", by which the bodies of the saints shall shine like the sun. "It is sown in dishonour," says the Apostle, "it shall rise in glory" (1 Corinthians 15:43; cf. Matthew 13:43; 17:2; Philippians 3:21). All the bodies of the saints shall be equally impassible, but they shall be endowed with different degrees of glory. According to St. Paul: "One is the glory of the sun, another the glory of the moon, another the glory of the stars. For star differeth from star in glory"'(1 Corinthians 15:41-42).
The third quality is that of "agility", by which the body shall be freed from its slowness of motion, and endowed with the capability of moving with the utmost facility and quickness wherever the soul pleases. The Apostle says: "It is sown in weakness, it shall rise in power" (1 Corinthians 15:43).
The fourth quality is "subtility", by which the body becomes subject to the absolute dominion of the soul. This is inferred from the words of the Apostle: "It is sown a natural body, it shall rise a spiritual body" (1 Corinthians 15:44). The body participates in the soul's more perfect and spiritual life to such an extent that it becomes itself like a spirit. We see this quality exemplified in the fact that Christ passed through material objects.

From: Maas, Anthony. "General Resurrection." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 12. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1911. 7 Aug. 2013
I've heard of the Maccabees but not of the other that you posted. Interesting

Since: Aug 10

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#109884 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I get you have excuses for the double standard, but it is a double standard no matter how many excuses you have for the religion(not god)changing the standards.

Is an eye for an eye just "carnal and basic" where as "turn the other cheek" just a spiritual concept?

38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Look, you can justify this double standard to yourself all you wish, but do not expect anyone who is not brainwashed full of excuses to accept your excuses as reasonable for a supposedly perfect god to be handing down. It reeks of mans hands, not of a gods hands.
I have pointed out your consistent double standards here and this shows why you have them. You have been trained to have double standards by religion.
Why is it a double standard that a different set of people that were not equally spiritually prepared were given different sets of rules?

The atonement of Jesus Christ changed everything. I'm sorry you don't understand this. I can keep trying to explain if you care to open your mind

Since: Aug 10

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#109885 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So being royalty is just the recurring coincidence? Sorry, but I see the coincidence as being the reason the claim is made for a priesthood bloodline.
But let me also point out that a bloodline for a priesthood is just as silly. Why? Because it is not really any different than the idea of inherited royalty/leadership.
Also, who would Joseph need to be related to David when Joe is not the paternal father of Jesus?
No, not total coincidence. There are several times in the OT in which the prophet was not royalty, but there are times when the prophet was also the king. This makes sense since they would have obeyed the man because he spoke God's words. But there were more prophets that were not royalty, by far.

Since: Aug 10

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#109886 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So being royalty is just the recurring coincidence? Sorry, but I see the coincidence as being the reason the claim is made for a priesthood bloodline.
But let me also point out that a bloodline for a priesthood is just as silly. Why? Because it is not really any different than the idea of inherited royalty/leadership.
Also, who would Joseph need to be related to David when Joe is not the paternal father of Jesus?
Joseph would have needed to have the priesthood as well to understand the prophecies foretold of this messiah that would be under his care. And the priesthood would have needed to be a part of that household.

Bloodline may not have been necessary, because I can confer the priesthood upon anyone that has sufficiently prepared themselves to receive it. But due to tradition, it was much safer to assume father would continue to pass it to his sons.

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#109887 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So your standards for society being harmed is when terrorists strike? I see, but I have higher standards than yourself.

Yes, I have explained why your belief that if homosexuality were acceptable, no one would ever procreate, is just a stupid argument as it is insane to think everyone would resort to being homosexual.

So you believe god saved you? Why, so you could show stupid reasons to discriminate?
No, dude, stop twisting my words. You are the one that compared Mormons to Islamic extremist terrorists.

Yes I know God saved me. And I would assume it would be to care for the family that was put under my responsibility to provide for.

You speak of me discriminating. Have you noticed how your prickish comments only go one way? Notice I don't degrade you for your beliefs, and endure your hateful remarks? Hmmm and I discriminate?

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#109888 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"do so in righteousness"? Well that word is about as vague as one can get, so care to explain what "righteousness judgment" is?

I accept that you answered the double standard question. But an excuse, but it is an answer.
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it didn't sufficiently answer the question.

You get to the point you can understand righteousness and then I can explain righteous judgment.
TheIndependentMa jority

Manchester, KY

#109889 Aug 7, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
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What the hell kinda gibberish you stuttering about now? I've never discussed the "Y" strands with you, but I can say with all honesty , based on your previous track record of losing debates, The Other Guy Won.....BTW isn't it time for another costume change because everyone has acknowledged the pure ignorance of Sista along with proven. I must agree with the person that stated you are a Troll, no one can actually be this stupid to continue to stay on a thread and get repeatedly pummeled in every single debate, yet think they are smart. Hell, most of the time you never make a point at all and end up proving the other person's position! You can't even distinguish who you are debating which point with. Do you even know where you chit last? I doubt it.
You haven't brought ANY topics up to discuss-all you've done is stoop to kindergarten bullchit.

But thx for being a shining example of just exactly what an "ignorant troll" is, mired up in your own ignorance, so much so ,you can't even see it in yourself, because of the loads of bullchit up to your own eyes!!

(and the rest of your post is as usual, just more garbage and kindergarten level attacks against another, not even worth the time it would take to wipe my tail with you.)

Since: Aug 10

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#109890 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I know the claim, now please explain why the faith in the unknown is needed? Why must the god hide? Is believing in a god that is seen anymore needed or good than believing in a god that is unseen?

It is not easy being a good person no matter if you believe in a god or not, so the blind faith seems to have no real purpose that has an ounce of logic. But you continually fail to even understand the question.
We are preparing for something more than we know now. Kinda like when a bird has to be kicked out of the nest to learn to fly on their own.

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#109891 Aug 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>A father that has zero paternal offspring.
No one is perfect, and that goes for your Jesus also. The perfection is but a claim that has zero evidence of truth. Typical of myths.
Believe what you wish.
I speak of a different type of perfection than superficial perfection. I'm talking about living sin-free.

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